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November 27th, 2007

Macs that hate Adobe fonts, love Microsoft ones

Posted by David Morgenstern @ 8:48 am

Categories: Leopard, Windows, iWork

Tags: Adobe Systems Inc., Apple Macintosh, Apple Inc., Microsoft Corp., Font, David Morgenstern

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Macs that hate Adobe fonts, love Microsoft onesThe turkey holiday offered a chance to catch up with Apple Support articles. One rubbed me the wrong way: a recent document about Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard and Apple’s Keynote presentation software. It seems that the pair don’t care for several Adobe fonts that have been with the Mac since 1986.

According to the article, “Keynote may unexpectedly quit when using specific fonts on your Mac OS 10.5 (Leopard) system. This unexpected behavior will most likely occur when adding a build to text …” The fonts in question are Courier Oblique, Courier Bold Oblique, Helvetica Oblique and Helvetica Bold Oblique.

These fonts are part of the Adobe Courier and Helvetica typefaces found in the original LaserWriter’s PostScript interpreter and have shipped as system standard fonts in all Macs since that time. I use Courier as my standard font when writing.

Apple says that the solution is to use the Courier New and Helvetica New versions of the font instead, which will “return correct behavior.” Say it ain’t so!

The “New” versions of Courier and Helvetica were introduced by Microsoft way back in the first editions of Windows. Courier New was the monospaced standard font in Windows until the release of Windows Vista, which introduced Consolas, one of 6 new ClearType fonts that all start with the letter “C.”

Mac users have mostly disdained Courier New, which was seen as weak and spindly compared with the proud and sturdy Courier version. In a bit of a search around the Web, I found that even Windows programmers hated Courier New and looked for fonts that were the “most Mac-like,” meaning plain ol’ Courier.

One fond memory of Courier was how Postscript interpreters would substitute it for a missing typeface. This was back in the days when we used screen fonts (for writing to the screen) and Postscript type libraries for hardcopy. Suddenly, your beautiful 60-point copy was turned into a monospaced mess. Lovely.

Perhaps this rejection of a Classic Mac font by Keynote and OS X is yet another sign of OS X bowing a bit to the dominant Windows platform. I note that the iPhone’s font list uses Courier New as well.

David MorgensternDavid Morgenstern has covered the Mac market and other technology segments for 20 years. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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RE: Macs that hate Adobe fonts etc...
But, lest we forget, and for those of you who don't already know (the authors of the
article???), Truetype was, created by Apple and licensed to
Microsoft:



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Posted by: Darklon Posted on: 11/29/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Just another case of Apple innovating ...  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
ShadeTree you're slipping...  RicD_ | 11/27/07
Hold on  laura.b | 11/27/07
USB  doh123 | 11/28/07
Not quite  laura.b | 11/29/07
hmmmmmm RicD apple did not invent any of those  SO.CAL Guy | 11/27/07
Apple didn't invent a lot of things, but...  olePigeon | 11/28/07
Look up facetious.  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
To all that responded thank you...  RicD_ | 11/27/07
No problem!  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
Your parody is well taken...  RicD_ | 11/27/07
Did MS make Selectric typewriters?  j.m.galvin | 11/27/07
Courier  SiDaniels | 11/27/07
A font which is an electronic representation ...  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
Wrong again & expected  j.m.galvin | 11/27/07
If you're gonna correct someone...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/28/07
RE: Macs that hate Adobe fonts, love Microsoft ones  SiDaniels | 11/27/07
Office 2007 fonts  M.R. Kennedy | 11/27/07
My bad  laura.b | 11/27/07
Swiss isn't a Microsoft font either  SiDaniels | 11/27/07
re: "Swiss" typefont  M.R. Kennedy | 11/27/07
Still available  j.m.galvin | 11/28/07
Microgramma Bold replacement  M.R. Kennedy | 11/28/07
Clarification  laura.b | 11/27/07
Wierd post  j.m.galvin | 11/27/07
Same here, in IE 7  rapson | 11/27/07
repost  SiDaniels | 11/27/07
Opera - Ditto nt  laura.b | 11/27/07
Camino & OmniWeb - ditto nt  brian ansorge | 11/28/07
Maybe it is just an Apple font ....  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
No ShadeTree those type of fonts are caused by Microsoft products .  Intellihence | 11/27/07
Don't be so fast.  ShadeTree | 11/28/07
Weird  M.R. Kennedy | 11/27/07
Guess again..  Wolfie2K3 | 11/28/07
Postscript fonts for presentation?  j.m.galvin | 11/27/07
Wierd post  j.m.galvin | 11/27/07
Ignore the above - hit wrong button  j.m.galvin | 11/27/07
RE: Macs that hate Adobe fonts, love Microsoft ones  TCollinsG3 | 11/28/07
Adobe's advantages..  Wolfie2K3 | 11/28/07
Somewhere - John C. Dvorak is Laughing Manicially....  drprod@... | 11/28/07
RE: Macs that hate Adobe fonts etc...  Darklon | 11/29/07
RE: Macs that hate Adobe fonts etc...  Darklon | 11/29/07

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