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December 17th, 2007

Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?

Posted by David Morgenstern @ 6:25 pm

Categories: Leopard, Microsoft, Vista, Windows

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Apple Inc., Microsoft Corp., Leopard, Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac OS, Sales Strategy, Operating Systems, Apple Mac OS X, Desktops

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Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?Details of new research on Mac OS X Leopard show that Mac users are buying family pack licenses, even though they aren’t forced to. On the other hand, Microsoft goes to great lengths to validate every Windows installation. So does this mean that Apple customers are more honest than Windows users?

Take a poll on Windows-Mac user honesty at the bottom of the story.

A Reuters story on Monday said that Leopard was Apple’s best-ever OS release.

When comparing the first full month of sales of Apple Mac OS 10.5 “Leopard” (November 2007) to the first full month of sales for Mac OS 10.4 “Tiger” (May 2005), dollar volume for Leopard was up 32.8 percent and unit volume up 20.5 percent, NPD Group Inc said in a statement.

Details emerged in a Computerworld report with an interview with NPD analyst Chris Swenson. In the article, the analyst mentioned that the Apple 5-license pack, called the Family Pack, was helping the unit and dollar figures.

Some of the increase can be attributed to the bigger slice of total sales that Apple’s Family Pack took. Nearly a third (32.8%) of all Leopard units tracked by NPD were the five-license Family Pack, a major bump from the 20.4% of Tiger’s sales. Not surprisingly, that drove up the average sales price of Leopard to $144.30 in its first month, compared with Tiger’s first-month average of $128.50. (The two upgrades were priced identically: $129 for a single license, and $199 for the Family Pack.)

“That’s one that I was bearish on,” Swenson admitted. “I wondered [before Leopard's launch], ‘How many more can they sell?’ Well, Apple was obviously able to continue to grow that.”

What Swenson wondered before was whether Mac users could be trusted to pay extra for the pack, since unlike Microsoft with Windows SKUs, Apple doesn’t run any system check or Internet activation on its customers for piracy of its operating system. It never has. If users want to, they can install a single SKU version of Mac OS X Leopard on multiple machines.

Instead, Apple makes the family pack a great deal and encourages honesty.

Joe Wilcox at Microsoft Watch is critical of Microsoft’s policies.

Apple’s approach is quite different from Microsoft’s. Windows upgrade pricing encourages many consumers to spend less for the operating system. Apple’s approach is to get honest users to pay more. End users get more value—five licenses for the price of two—and Apple gets more money per consumer. Apple’s benefit is bigger with Leopard than previous Mac OS X versions.

In addition, Microsoft’s vision of a family pack was also warped. It let buyers of the Vista Ultimate SKU (at a list price of $399 or $259 for the upgrade from Windows XP) purchase 2 copies of Vista Home Premium at a solid discount of $50. Still, customers had a steep entry price to receive the savings — compare that with the Apple SKU standard price of $129 and $199 for the 5-pack.

After offering this deal for 5 months or so, Microsoft in July pulled the plug on its Vista discount program.

So, here’s the quandary: Is Microsoft’s assessment of its customer base correct? Are they all a bunch of pirates?

Or could it be that PC owners feel that the price of Windows isn’t fair. If you feel that you’re getting ripped off, then it’s easier to rationalize bad behavior, such as not paying for a software license. I admit that I’ve never met a person who has expressed qualms about getting around a Windows license if they could.

What do you think?

Who's more honest: Windows or Mac users?

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David MorgensternDavid Morgenstern has covered the Mac market and other technology segments for 20 years. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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As opposed to Windows users?  grail@... | 12/18/07
Damn Straight!  drprod@... | 12/19/07
surprised; its; retard  ýlysdexia | 01/01/08
Wrong.  Narg | 02/07/08
scottwilkins et al are Wrong: Apple/Microsoft version history:  ýlysdexia | 03/06/08
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Message has been deleted.  V-Train | 12/17/07
Leopard is a step backwards  pa2004 | 12/18/07
No one is forcing you to upgrade  keithsheehan@... | 12/18/07
Fascinating !  Jkirk3279 | 12/19/07
George Spare me...  mrOSX | 12/18/07
It is George math.  Bruizer | 12/18/07
Familiar faces  Chiatzu | 12/20/07
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Uh George... Wanna check that again?  Wolfie2K3 | 12/18/07
Charging for point upgrades  M.R. Kennedy | 12/18/07
Details...  Jkirk3279 | 12/19/07
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XP SP1 Sp2 SP3.....  kriskl | 12/19/07
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MS does not charge for service packs  pa2004 | 12/17/07
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You've eliminated nothing, except your credibility  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
NOT true!  vulpine@... | 12/18/07
This proves ONE thing...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
Wrong !  Jkirk3279 | 12/19/07
Woopdi doo  tikigawd | 12/18/07
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RE: It's all about the money  joe6pack_z | 12/18/07
Family Licence Packs are a good idea and Microsoft will soon follow  pcguy777 | 12/18/07
its, retard  ýlysdexia | 01/01/08
RE: Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?  shadar1101 | 12/17/07
What a load of BS!  Rick_K | 12/17/07
Loads of BS  M.R. Kennedy | 12/18/07
Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be Microsoft's  Ole Man | 12/19/07
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Message has been deleted.  socialism=nowhere | 12/18/07
Message has been deleted.  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
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price same, cost lear  ýlysdexia | 01/01/08
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Message has been deleted.  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
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Only one thing to say  mdsock@... | 12/18/07
Only one thing to say Except that you said more than one word  johnpall@... | 12/18/07
Woz said it himself  georgeou | 12/18/07
George...  mrOSX | 12/19/07
I'll tell you what George,,,  Non_Zealot | 12/19/07
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Message has been deleted.  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
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And You Are TOO...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
Both of them?  tonymcs@... | 12/17/07
The real truth...  Rick_K | 12/17/07
Outlandish prices?  laura.b | 12/18/07
well siad laura happy  SO.CAL Guy | 12/18/07
You are not required to buy every new release...  mrOSX | 12/18/07
I know. happy  laura.b | 12/18/07
Yes you can argue the...  mrOSX | 12/18/07
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re: Also each new release of OS X does not..  M.R. Kennedy | 12/18/07
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your numbers are wrong  doh123 | 12/20/07
re: The real truth...  M.R. Kennedy | 12/18/07
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re: They are not quite the same...  M.R. Kennedy | 12/18/07
Due to the liturature  Jim486 | 12/18/07
The Question Should Be Is Apple More Honest Than Microsoft  chessmen | 12/18/07
So Apple is more honest? But their iPhone antics may change percetions  Roque Mocan | 12/18/07
RE: Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?  JFrostOZ | 12/17/07
RE: Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?  bohannjn | 12/17/07
Fortunately, it's not because Mac users think they're better than others  Boot_Agnostic | 12/18/07
Price is...  cashaww | 12/18/07
The article and the vote fail to take one option into consideration.  ShadeTree | 12/18/07
Correction for typo  ShadeTree | 12/18/07
Ummm... excuse me?  vulpine@... | 12/18/07
Since my correction to the typo ....  ShadeTree | 12/18/07
Actually.....  vulpine@... | 12/19/07
than  ýlysdexia | 01/01/08
Heres a Reply  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
Steve Jobs. Jim Jones. It's amazing what the faithful will believe...  Scrat | 12/18/07
Pass the super sweet cool-aid Steve!  boberuski | 12/18/07
Windoze Users Are...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
It Was Flavor Aid not Kool Aid  msackett | 12/20/07
Dollars and Cents  gene_fitz@... | 12/18/07
I think you have it backwards....  spstanley | 12/18/07
People tend to live up to expectations  the_doge | 12/18/07
Do Mac Writers Misuse Statistics?  Chippolus | 12/18/07
Arrrrgh!!! Me Maties.  dbisse@... | 12/18/07
Where's the vote option for "Are Mac users dumber than Win users?"  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
Yep  Krazyken39 | 12/18/07
Linux users fit into the metaphor...  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
R.O.F.L cool post happy  SO.CAL Guy | 12/18/07
Brilliant (nt)  laura.b | 12/18/07
This sheep is a fox...  vulpine@... | 12/18/07
I think most of them are sheep...  mdsock@... | 12/18/07
Absolutely correct  ilovebacon | 12/18/07
YES  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
http://google.com/search?q=(Mac-users-smarter)|(Mac-users-more-literate)  ýlysdexia | 01/02/08
Politicians run Windows.  i8thecat | 12/18/07
And Al Gore sits on the Apple board! ROFLMFAO  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
Is Al Gore so dumb...  vulpine@... | 12/18/07
YOU'RE JUST...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
RE: Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?  trumpp | 12/18/07
trumpp, retard, you don't even know what rediculous means.  ýlysdexia | 01/02/08
More honest? Who knows. Better value for $? YES.  KrioniTWF | 12/18/07
Wow, congrats...you win the 'dumbest poster' contest today!  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
In other words...  vulpine@... | 12/18/07
ME  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
MacIntosh and Volvo - selling to the thinking man.  AbbyD@... | 12/18/07
This is the most astute post I've seen in a long time.  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
Is this a quote from consumer reports ....  mrOSX | 12/18/07
Both Volvo and Jaguar were bought by Ford  i8thecat | 12/18/07
I question your conclusions.  vulpine@... | 12/18/07
Makes no sense  shaden-guard | 12/18/07
Honest? You mean like back dating stocks for Steve boy?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/18/07
I think Mac users all buy the family packs because all Mac users are  1stcyberian | 12/18/07
Not users, but Third World  shadar1101 | 12/18/07
Something VALID for you...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
Mac only installs on Apple hardware  mysekurity | 12/18/07
DING !!!! Correct Sir !!!!  BFD | 12/18/07
Gee Windows wont run on my Tandy Pocket Computer...  mrOSX | 12/19/07
Good one Mr.OSX...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
RE: samoanbiscu  mrOSX | 12/18/07
Ok, my bad about the idiot comment, yeah...  samoanbiscuit@... | 12/18/07
It seems I moved into a new facet of the topic instead  samoanbiscuit@... | 12/18/07
You say that like it's a bad thing  tzcannon | 12/18/07
It's not a bad thing  samoanbiscuit@... | 12/19/07
Well several things  mrOSX | 12/19/07
People in third world countries cant afford Macs  samoanbiscuit@... | 12/18/07
The solution of course  frgough | 12/19/07
Not more honest, more devoted. NT  butler360 | 12/18/07
combination of loyalty, price, and finances  Hobyx | 12/18/07
OSX hardware lock-in  ashbyjm@... | 12/18/07
RE: Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?  shydragon | 12/18/07
Mac OS upgrades are substantially more than service packs  7stringdude | 12/18/07
Mac users are liars  Herc@... | 12/18/07
Mr. Pot, meet Mr Kettle  Bruizer | 12/18/07
So..  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/18/07
I am...  dmiller1969@... | 12/19/07
He He  Herc@... | 12/19/07
Mac  msackett | 12/24/07
Broad brush _and_ arrogant yourself-  GSavage777 | 01/15/08
RE: Are Mac users more honest than Windows users?  eddzpc@... | 12/18/07
We hardly knew ye  Chiatzu | 12/20/07
Are Mac user more delusional then Linux or BSD users?  djchandler | 12/18/07
Nah...  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/18/07
dchandlr, each MacOS comes with 150?300 new features, whereas Debian's  ýlysdexia | 01/02/08
On the 8th day God Created ???? OS  roog | 12/18/07
Apple already proved this concept with iTunes  tzcannon | 12/19/07
Even Apple's Ads lie  Crestview | 12/25/07
Wow, how descriptive...  GSavage777 | 01/15/08
i know lets scrap both and use linux  zoalpi | 02/12/08
SCRAP BOTH  rebelxhardcore | 02/24/08

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