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March 9th, 2008

The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate

Posted by Jason D. O'Grady @ 8:30 pm

Categories: Apple, Opinion

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Arrogance, Apple Inc., Desktops, Hardware, Jason D. O'Grady

In August 2007 I posted a piece asking if Mac users were smug and arrogant. Over 4,000 of you voted in the poll at then end of the story with 64 percent stating that Mac users are smug and arrogant. Then in October I asked if Apple, Inc. was arrogant. In that poll over 800 votes were cast with a solid 70 percent stating that Apple was arrogant.
Adding fuel to the fire Mindset Media came out with a study in January 2008 stating the Mac user are more likely (my answers in parentheses):

  • to be perfectionists (yes)
  • to use notebooks (yes)
  • to buy organic food (sometimes)
  • to use teeth whitening products (Arm & Hammer Advanced White toothpaste, baby!)
  • to drive station wagons (never)
  • to pay for downloaded music (yes)
  • to go to Starbucks (once a month, maybe)
  • care about “green” products and the environment (yes)
  • to own a hybrid car (no, but I’d like to)
  • to buy 5 pairs of sneakers in a year (I just don’t get this one)

Macworld’s Brian Chen asked people outside of the Apple Store in San Francisco if they were snobs and several actually agreed to it (on camera!)

Laura B., commenter 2.2 in my second piece, made an important distinction between “arrogant” and “confident” (emphasis mine):

Confidence is silent, or near so - you know you’re better, and you can quietly proclaim this while still noting your own faults and your competitors positive traits. Arrogance is loud - you think you’re better and you make sure that everyone knows that you think it. People like confidence. It illustrates a secure person (or company in this case) that genuinely believes in their traits/products. People don’t like arrogance. It illustrates the uncontrollable desire to convince others that you or your company is worthwhile to the point of lambasting all others and only focusing on your good qualities without balancing the faults in. It is often perceived as obnoxious and generally deceitful (hiding poor qualities, masking low self-image, etc). So yes, there is something wrong with arrogant.

If you missed the polls last time, weigh in (or just check the vote tally) after the jump…


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Is Apple, Inc. arrogant?  silent.griffin | 03/09/08
Arrogance is MS's domain  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
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i had to respond to this  applegod | 03/11/08
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Yeah, yeah!  mbrierley | 04/01/08
Re: "Apple doesn't make..."  orthocross | 03/18/08
You must have been supporting OS 7.x  nix_hed | 03/12/08
Could not agree LESS  eldernorm | 03/19/08
Isn't the pot calling the kettle black...  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
Calling the kettle black?  RS9 | 03/10/08
Re: Arrogance is MS's domain  tstephensoncom | 03/10/08
Ignorance not arrogance  tbcass | 03/11/08
Fortunately....  Crestview | 03/13/08
I love those comercials.  voska1 | 03/10/08
I hate those commercials  willyu | 03/10/08
The ads are mostly true  MacGeek2121 | 03/10/08
Tom Cruise hates the word cult too...  Chippolus | 03/11/08
People buy PCs...  arminw | 03/12/08
The Incredibly usefull BSOD  theoxygenthief | 03/13/08
Then you must not know any techs...  Chippolus | 03/17/08
Pepsi? Coke? No analogy there.  Cayble | 03/11/08
90 percent of the 95 percent . . .  brian ansorge | 03/14/08
An argument from a Mac user  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
I would agree with you except for...  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
Re: "...go ahead and follow the herd..."  orthocross | 03/18/08
"arrogance" has a meaning  gabrielbear@... | 03/10/08
That's Madison Avenue for you!  Pat Barr | 03/13/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  aureolin@... | 03/09/08
People who care about computing  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
I don't proclaim to be as smart as you  Yax_to_the_Max | 03/10/08
Don't worry...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Huh?  RS9 | 03/10/08
Which IS kind of the point, isn't it?  drprod@... | 03/10/08
well I am multi-educated  paul@... | 03/11/08
Re: "Ignorance must be bliss..."  orthocross | 03/18/08
vi 'obscure'?  Borg_Tribble | 03/10/08
Google this  derekgore | 03/10/08
Good point  RedM3 | 03/10/08
Intel chips  Mr_Dave | 03/10/08
Best thing on the block.  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
Hummmm, Wait a minute...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Nice one.  Big Scoddie | 03/10/08
Step back for a moment...  Bdidi5 | 03/10/08
But ours is a reverse arrogance, a blue collar reaction.  ajole | 03/10/08
Is that sarcasm?  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
20 to 1...  Big Scoddie | 03/10/08
"MS=Eeeeeviiiil"  theoxygenthief | 03/13/08
Asked and Answered  ShadeTree | 03/10/08
Isn't this the endemic problem with Macs and their "followers"  Scrat | 03/11/08
Damn right, and proud of it...  gtdworak | 03/10/08
Perception?  GuidingLight | 03/10/08
My Perception...  gtdworak | 03/10/08
I would  voska1 | 03/10/08
re: My Perception  M.R. Kennedy | 03/10/08
Thank you  balaknair | 03/10/08
I have a question:  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
How many hours have Mac users spent  GuidingLight | 03/10/08
Now...now.. that's just way to much reality for them to handle.  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
How many hours, etc ... None of course  labarker | 03/10/08
Try this...  ajole | 03/10/08
4 hours to get to a store?  Mr_Dave | 03/10/08
Hey Mr Dave!  ajole | 03/10/08
Speaking for myself..  msalzberg | 03/10/08
To answer your question:  RS9 | 03/10/08
I am so glad he got that off his chest!  ladyirol | 03/18/08
OK - I will bite  paul@... | 03/11/08
MS puppets only in it for the money  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
God are you a freaking hippie or what...  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
Oh and Steven Jobs is giving away Mac's  redhand9@... | 03/10/08
Did I miss the Apple giveaway?  tikigawd | 03/10/08
Re: "...only in it for the money........"s  orthocross | 03/18/08
Speaking of Pigs and Pokes  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
re: Damn right  Badgered | 03/10/08
Damn all of them  ramuno | 03/10/08
Tools?  Big Scoddie | 03/10/08
Commodore 64's  Crestview | 03/10/08
Amen to that  tikigawd | 03/10/08
Commodore 64? You have no credibility.  Muncher | 03/10/08
Wow, you love your Mac so much  tikigawd | 03/10/08
What the heck are you...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Riiiggghhtttt.  ajole | 03/10/08
Yeah, what he said  timt43 | 03/10/08
OK Genius...  RS9 | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  fde101 | 03/10/08
Definition of "arrogance"  M.R. Kennedy | 03/10/08
Do you think (s)he cares?  RS9 | 03/10/08
I missed the memo  tikigawd | 03/11/08
Um  tikigawd | 03/10/08
I got quoted! Whoo-Hoo!  laura.b | 03/10/08
ok, so what would one classify your statement as?  JustAFreq | 03/10/08
Neither  laura.b | 03/10/08
Labeling the whole  voska1 | 03/10/08
Well, They all...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Really? All of them?  msalzberg | 03/10/08
This was a...  RS9 | 03/11/08
I use it all.  Kromaethius | 03/10/08
You are...  RS9 | 03/10/08
The sneakers thing is easy...  Bruizer | 03/10/08
RE: The sneakers thing is easy........  longrunner | 03/10/08
Not Arrogant Any More...  fakejake3 | 03/10/08
How about this question:  frgough | 03/10/08
If the Mac user is arrogant, then the PC user is clueless  DarthRidiculous | 03/10/08
If the Mac user is arrogant, then the PC user is clueless  Girth. | 03/10/08
LOL - nicely done.  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
And the point is proven, thank you very much.  nancyjones36507@... | 03/10/08
Are you sure about that?  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
A point?  ladyirol | 03/18/08
Gerald: You didn't...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Umm...  msalzberg | 03/10/08
Really?  RS9 | 03/11/08
Rush Limbaugh is a Mac Fanboy  Joe_Racer | 03/10/08
LOL  frgough | 03/10/08
How so?  Joe_Racer | 03/10/08
re: LOL  M.R. Kennedy | 03/10/08
Unfortunately. sad [nt]  olePigeon | 03/10/08
Is Rush still  RS9 | 03/10/08
He also got sucked into  Crestview | 03/13/08
You buy the computer for your needs.  BroGnorik | 03/10/08
It's not arrogance...  BitTwiddler | 03/10/08
Are you required to have a PC, or to run Windows?  ajole | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  theoxygenthief | 03/10/08
This is why I really...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Humble apologies o great king of linguistics  theoxygenthief | 03/13/08
So what's the point  javiersc | 03/10/08
OK Jav...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Here's how it is  Userama | 03/10/08
I'm not arrogant  Ken_z | 03/10/08
It's more the fanboy for me.  Joe_Racer | 03/10/08
"It's more the fanboy for me..."  lumens418@... | 03/10/08
FreeBSD?  Ken_z | 03/10/08
That really is all there is to it.  ajole | 03/10/08
This is not something  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  richard.elliott@... | 03/10/08
re: comparisons  Badgered | 03/10/08
Because  People | 03/10/08
Bingo! Yahtzee...  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  People | 03/10/08
I must be surrounded by exceptions then  CMKRNL | 03/10/08
I would be interested in  People | 03/10/08
political bent  vince@... | 03/11/08
Jack-ass-ry: def. ...  mckenzl | 03/12/08
He forgot one big one...  RS9 | 03/10/08
You mean do as you do..  msalzberg | 03/10/08
There is one little...  RS9 | 03/11/08
OH yeah! Name one! [NT]  RS9 | 03/10/08
Al Gore [nt]  People | 03/11/08
LOL!!  RS9 | 03/11/08
LOL.  People | 03/12/08
Rush Limbaugh  rdawson@... | 03/12/08
RE: The Mac snobbery  loudmac@... | 03/10/08
I like the commercial...  ckelly@... | 03/10/08
Gave a link to this above but...  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  rhwells@... | 03/10/08
It's not bragging if it's true  rjamerson@... | 03/10/08
Guess what My linux and my Vista work and I don't get viruses...never have  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
TRUE?!  Crestview | 03/10/08
I said this already - but that's too much reality for them...  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
Re: "It's not bragging if it's true"  orthocross | 03/18/08
Arrogant and out of touch  bstreet | 03/10/08
Ouch...true but Ouch.  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
It's a matter of perspective  CMKRNL | 03/10/08
I do believe you...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Macs are just PCs?  Userama | 03/10/08
Always feel sorry for the delusional Mac folk.:  RS9 | 03/10/08
Silly question  jorjitop | 03/10/08
OK - Pinch yourself, you must be new to this game  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
Every company buys ideas.  ajole | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  Marfu | 03/10/08
Wow  laura.b | 03/10/08
You truly deserve...  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  ar077@... | 03/10/08
OH! You so miss the point...  RS9 | 03/10/08
When you have a good product you stand by it.  3dtodd | 03/10/08
Better to you Bucko...  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  papajohn@... | 03/10/08
interesting....  papajohn@... | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  brettze | 03/10/08
No but,...  wmlundine | 03/10/08
But it sure makes...  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  ted.schaefer@... | 03/10/08
Well these two fruits made their hit quota  socialism=nowhere | 03/10/08
They sure did...  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  richardmitnick | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  coralb@... | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  pjones | 03/10/08
No, just in need of a life  RedM3 | 03/10/08
What Mac snobbery, and arrogance?  Master Dave | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  tonymus | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  pjones | 03/10/08
I don't think you are...  RS9 | 03/10/08
Arrogance, Confidence and Perception  casachs | 03/10/08
Just not true!  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  artful@... | 03/10/08
I loved Ronald Reagan...  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  fedup56@... | 03/10/08
Geez, I've been using a pc...  RS9 | 03/10/08
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A mac user no doubt!  RS9 | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  jenniferonline | 03/10/08
Both Mac and their users are smug and arrogant!!!  rgeiken@... | 03/10/08
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Mac User Arrogance  rlsearles@... | 03/10/08
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Windows users attack and Mac users get branded for defending themselves  Muncher | 03/10/08
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CAN''T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?  gee@... | 03/10/08
Oops...  gee@... | 03/10/08
I could Tell You, But.....  LightSpeed | 03/10/08
Apples "just work"?  metilley@... | 03/10/08
Useless?  ltcingalt | 03/10/08
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We are all Tards  CowLauncher | 03/10/08
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Apple Air Mac and The "Woz"  metilley@... | 03/10/08
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Not arrogant, but could be mistaken for that  RealNonZealot | 03/10/08
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Trash that Floppy  Big Scoddie | 03/10/08
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RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  sarai1313@... | 03/10/08
If it wasn't for FreeBSD, Mac wouldn't have an OS  DanLM | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  RocketEater | 03/10/08
Pathetic  ewelch | 03/10/08
it made you write  paul@... | 03/10/08
Your a good man Charlie Brown!  mmurphy@... | 03/10/08
RE: The Small Businessman's Socratic answer  mmurphy@... | 03/10/08
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RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  GSavage777 | 03/10/08
debate? snobbery, arrogance, confidence, elitism  rflulling@... | 03/10/08
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RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  patrick@... | 03/10/08
The confidence of being part of a herd...  schmandel@... | 03/10/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  marilynwins@... | 03/11/08
Smug, moi?!  Steve*1* | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  darije.djokic@... | 03/11/08
Arrogant is correct  tbcass | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  capnhack2 | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  Braizyn | 03/11/08
Flame ON!  Your Mom 2.0 | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  philip.lane@... | 03/11/08
It's only 'snobbery' if it's unwarranted  jdickey | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  itadmin@... | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  captain50@... | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  mcneill.rd@... | 03/11/08
Missing the point (and bad poll statistics)  jgruszynski@... | 03/11/08
Tools  richdave | 03/11/08
Graphics and art  caamtg@... | 03/11/08
I've always received ridicule for not conforming to Microsoft...  usc1801 | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  eldernorm | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  Rick_K | 03/11/08
dude, man...  evilkillerwhale@... | 03/11/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  not_IT_John | 03/11/08
Nice hit target article Jason...  Scrat | 03/12/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  brilhide | 03/12/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  as901 | 03/12/08
When it comes down to it,  nix_hed | 03/12/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  thinkDutch | 03/12/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  theoxygenthief | 03/13/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  Pat Barr | 03/13/08
Where are you?  vulpine@... | 03/18/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  Pat Barr | 03/13/08
All could be happy if some didn't treat it and others as exclusive club  Boot_Agnostic | 03/14/08
RE: Pot calling the Kettle black  Dave Mount | 03/15/08
RE: Pot calling the Kettle black  Dave Mount | 03/15/08
RE: The Mac snobbery, arrogance, confidence debate  top100developers | 03/17/08
Apple and Microsoft are a pair  Altotus | 03/18/08
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