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May 5th, 2008

Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista? (updated)

Posted by Jason D. O'Grady @ 5:00 am

Categories: Bug, Leopard, Software, Software Update

Tags: Apple Mac OS, Apple Macintosh, Operating System, Apple Inc., Jason D. O'Grady, It, Jason D. O'Grady

I’ve heard many different complaints about Mac OS 10.5.2 since it was released, from my own Skype/podcasting problems to issues with just about everything else, including: printing, third-party wireless routers, software freezing and problems with Time Machine. The Apple discussion boards are littered with stories about all kinds of crawlers in 10.5.2, and while hardly an epidemic, they’re not exactly isolated incidents either.

Chuck Freedman from the PowerPage Podcast shares his problems with 10.5.2 on his MacBook Pro – he thinks it’s the buggiest software update in years. So much so, that his friend Dennis (updated to give proper credit) coined a new term for 10.5.2 – “Apple Vista.”

The picture below isn’t a screen grab of the latest maze game, it’s Chuck’s MBP screen after a spectacular 10.5.2 crash.

Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?

Read more about Chuck’s tale of woe and check out six more gallery images after the jump.

Late in 2007 Apple began releasing its new operating system, Mac OS 10.5 (a.k.a. Leopard). With new hardware announcements in early January 2008 Apple began shipping this new OS with all new computers they sold, and wow, what an OS. There were tons of new features to knock your socks off. From then on, all Macs purchased came with Leopard pre-installed – life was supposed to be good.

During the early days of 10.5 Apple found a few bugs and tweeks and released an update to Leopard called 10.5.1, and again, all was well. I continued to operate my MacBook Pro running this new OS with near flawless behavior. I could go days (sometimes weeks) without rebooting my machine. I could run a dozen applications simultaneously and all was good.

In February Apple began shipping their Time Capsule backup appliance which allowed me to have a wireless network and shared network attached storage – something I’d been waiting for. Time Capsule allowed Apple’s new Time Machine software to automatically back up my data to a shared network drive and restore it easily. A great concept, but it still needs some bugs worked out (that’s a topic for another article.)

In order to get my machine to see, utilize and understand the Time Capsule, I had to upgrade my Mac to 10.5.2. Without hesitation, I did. From that day forward I’ve been running the worst operating system I’ve run on a Mac in years. My machine now runs slower and if I run more than a few applications at a time, it barely operates. It takes nearly six minutes to wake from sleep, and when it does finally wake, the mouse bounces around uncontrollably and requires a hard shut down to fix.

Again, time on my side, Apple released a keyboard firmware update to fix some issues. I applied the update, but didn’t see any fixes. Shortly thereafter Apple released EFI firmware update 1.5 - well things can’t be any worse (so I thought), so I applied it. Boy was I wrong. See the screen shots. Only days later Apple released EFI Firmware 1.5.1 which fixed more, but at this point my machine was dead. I’ve sent it in to Apple repair to get it fixed, and I’m waiting for its return.

If I wanted to run on a buggy crappy operating system, I’d pickup a PC running Microsoft Vista. I don’t expect this from my Mac. Mac OS 10.4.11 (Tiger) ran great whereas Apple Vista just appears to be immature and needed more time to cook.

Also, I know that Apple wants to push sales of Leopard but I don’t like being forced to upgrade because of some new piece of hardware is released. Rather than force 10.5.2 down my throat because I spent more money on a Time Capsule, why not just give me a driver or application to install. The OS should be hardware independent.

In the meantime, my Apple Vista machine is in for repair, and I’m writing this on my trusty Tiger machine.



Well, I guess the good news is that 10.5.3 isn’t too far behind. It’s pretty far along in testing with Apple developers and could be released to the public in the next two weeks.

Jason D. O'GradyJason D. O'Grady is the editor of PowerPage.org, which has been publishing daily mobile technology news since December 1995. For disclosures on Jason's industry affiliations, click here or to view Jason's full profile click here.

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RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?
I should clarify that as the "Vista mail program" that was corrupting my mail. And it was broken, I lost some very valuable data due to it. Now I have OS X with all the programming tools BSD Unix gives you, Nebeans for my "write once, debug anywhere" work and Vista for Flight Simulator X.... (Read the rest)
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How do you know 10.5.3 .....  ShadeTree | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  systemx | 05/05/08
What problems?  NoThomas | 05/05/08
Obviouslly, the picture shows it takes only one  GuidingLight | 05/05/08
Oops: Meant as a reply to systemx  GuidingLight | 05/05/08
None?  CreepinJesus | 05/06/08
Vista Problems Fixed???  thegestunkenaraygun | 05/06/08
Hmmm  willpd13 | 05/06/08
Free Apples  TallTomD | 05/06/08
well... we all want new pc's anyways right...  pcguy777 | 05/06/08
Hardware's already a non issue for me with Vista.  ajole | 05/07/08
Older machines on Vista  mjolnar@... | 05/06/08
Pot calling the kettle black  cslycord@... | 05/06/08
G5 Cash Back  aallord | 05/06/08
Forced Upgrades  TallTomD | 05/06/08
Unforced Upgrades  Amaroq | 05/06/08
And my  alaniane@... | 05/06/08
If you are upgrading your hardware  alaniane@... | 05/06/08
Pale in comparison with Vista? what is vista?  rhon@... | 05/06/08
not so much pal, since sp1 i will upgrade  pcguy777 | 05/06/08
Apple the new Opiate for the ignorant  kryz42 | 05/06/08
Vista Harm  TallTomD | 05/06/08
Vista vs. Leopard  unclefixer@... | 05/06/08
Vista's Reputation  kingkookie | 05/06/08
Compare  cra69_2000@... | 05/10/08
Problems with Vista  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
Too bad for you, Vista works fine for me.  NonZealot | 05/06/08
Or a so-so Fable writer.  James Quinn | 05/06/08
Or...  msalzberg | 05/06/08
Your tunnel vision is working so well!  themusicmanrk | 05/06/08
ID-10-T or possible PEBKAC Error  TallTomD | 05/06/08
I would run a full diagnostic  alaniane@... | 05/06/08
I would run a full diagnostic  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
If you have bad sectors on your  alaniane@... | 05/06/08
Sound Logic  ivanotter | 05/08/08
What Problems?  Eleutherios | 05/06/08
The problem is that hardware configuration  alaniane@... | 05/06/08
Vista Problems  elhombre | 05/27/08
That's a new one  rtk | 05/27/08
Yes, please tell us...  rjohn05 | 05/05/08
No problems with Vista here!  Martin_Australia | 05/05/08
Same here  StuartMole | 05/06/08
1/2 of gig to run?  thirdlife@... | 05/06/08
Another 2 cents worth...  unclefixer@... | 05/06/08
Non that I have noticed  John Zern | 05/06/08
None here, either  hpoulter | 05/06/08
Spare me  macrocosm@... | 05/06/08
Vista problems....you asked.  michael56555@... | 05/06/08
Is this really a Vista problem?  *Gman* | 05/06/08
Interesting  thirdlife@... | 05/06/08
Sounds like a problem with your hardware  NonZealot | 05/06/08
Did I just read that right?  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
RE: Vista problems..... you asked  michael56555@... | 05/06/08
Nor here  johndrayuk@... | 05/06/08
6 systems running Vista - No Issues  NextRevolution | 05/06/08
Pale in comparison  daMan25 | 05/06/08
The bugs are there  msupert@... | 05/06/08
the fact that you use Dell...  evilkillerwhale@... | 05/06/08
I'm not taking sides but...  /A\V/ | 05/06/08
Absolutely  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/06/08
Nothing you mentioned...  DCMann | 05/06/08
Crappy Dells?  unclefixer@... | 05/06/08
Dell.... is not Vista's fault  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
Vista problem??  robert.mare@... | 05/06/08
RE: The bugs are there  bb_apptix | 05/06/08
Re: The Bugs are there  sirhayden@... | 05/06/08
Rediculous  ILoveMicrosoft | 05/06/08
"Apple Vista" is a misnomer  justinseinlin | 05/06/08
Very true  absent | 05/06/08
The OS Slam-fest continues...  unclefixer@... | 05/06/08
dude, man  evilkillerwhale@... | 05/06/08
Dude!  Richmedia | 05/06/08
"I suggest you spend...  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
daily??  lostarchitect | 05/06/08
hmm  absent | 05/06/08
Pale by a mile?  Wolfie2K3 | 05/06/08
Oh so it's ok that Leopard is crap?  tikigawd | 05/06/08
huh?  bubblesroe@... | 05/10/08
I love the "Apple" spin...  Leeroy_Jenkins | 05/23/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  theoldcoot | 05/05/08
Wow!  ShadeTree | 05/05/08
Nice one...  Jason D. O'GradyZDNet Moderator | 05/05/08
That theoldcoot has no point.  ye | 05/05/08
And ye is a typical Microsoft fanboi  Aragorn_z | 05/06/08
i think the last part of the post was referring to theoldcoot Jason  SO.CAL Guy | 05/05/08
In the rush to defend .....  ShadeTree | 05/05/08
Message has been deleted.  U53r | 05/05/08
i think you need to look again most of the blogers on zdnet are  SO.CAL Guy | 05/05/08
Very well put  Aragorn_z | 05/06/08
Does Objectivity make a Heretic?  oldheretic | 05/06/08
MacOS = Vista is like saying  People | 05/05/08
I know, I know.....  People | 05/05/08
I believe you mean:  evilkillerwhale@... | 05/06/08
10.5.2 works for me  galley | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  asad.quraishi@... | 05/05/08
Apologists unite  Jason D. O'GradyZDNet Moderator | 05/05/08
Koolaid Extra Strength  Marcos El Malo | 05/05/08
i'm running leopard  lostarchitect | 05/05/08
I agree  Richmedia | 05/06/08
Windows Zealots rant...  Rick_K | 05/05/08
Are you for real, or just a paid Apple employee?  Scrat | 05/06/08
How many  Rick_K | 05/06/08
I think you hit the nail on the head  RobertCS | 05/06/08
Hahaha, nice try...  Jason D. O'GradyZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Message has been deleted.  Rick_K | 05/09/08
uh...  evilkillerwhale@... | 05/06/08
You know, EKW...  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
8? Are we to be impressed?  laura.b | 05/08/08
Are you even serious?  Rick_K | 05/09/08
you hardly ever hear  Voodoo187 | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  MNVader | 05/05/08
Time Machine on a FireWire Hard Drive  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  cmosentine | 05/05/08
Fresh install of 10.5.2  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
But I thought Macs "Just Worked"?  NonZealot | 05/05/08
Please ignore the troll...  Jason D. O'GradyZDNet Moderator | 05/05/08
He's right though  rpmyers1 | 05/05/08
What can you expect...  tikigawd | 05/06/08
When Apple has to reduce the price  frgough | 05/05/08
Oh how you so easily forget...  Scrat | 05/06/08
Forget?  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
He's just pointing out  tikigawd | 05/06/08
I did...  vulpine@... | 05/13/08
They Do "Just Work"  johnpublic@... | 05/06/08
No they don't.  ajole | 05/07/08
The OS should be hardware independent.  srobtjones@... | 05/05/08
IBM is the reason MS is a big as she is....  James Quinn | 05/05/08
hardware independant doesn't mean supported elsewhere...  shryko | 05/06/08
I will argue this for one simple reason: Windows  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
In reality Windows doesn't  alaniane@... | 05/06/08
Which still means...  vulpine@... | 05/13/08
Mac OS 10.5.2 sold 140 million copies?  NonZealot | 05/05/08
Still no where to be seen on Windows, MS and or  James Quinn | 05/05/08
Jim - its an insult to Vista  Paul Fletcher | 05/05/08
non-Zealot  /A\V/ | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
Actually Dennis, that was me.  Jason D. O'GradyZDNet Moderator | 05/05/08
Here's the problem  rtk | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  osXCanada | 05/05/08
boot into single user  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Ulfhednar | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  cameljockey | 05/05/08
"Apple Vista"? Not funny, not true.  Matt Ruben | 05/05/08
Sorry No Dice  JoseTorr | 05/05/08
Unuseable?  U53r | 05/05/08
"Apple Vista"? Not funny, not true.  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
10.5.2 has some bugs, but that guy was having hardware issues...  olePigeon | 05/05/08
10.5.2 has some bugs, but that guy was having hardware issues..  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
Could be a bad run....  James Quinn | 05/06/08
Maybe it was just a coincidence?  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
BAD RAM or motherboard, no doubt about it...  cartoonasaurus | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  lukbut_1 | 05/05/08
Zealots' Waterloo  HypnoToad | 05/05/08
At Waterloo I believe Napoleon surrendered....  James Quinn | 05/05/08
Actually not true......  Beejaybee | 05/06/08
"...at least Vista BOOTS UP and works!"  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
Too bad the guy in the article can't say the same about OSX  ajole | 05/07/08
Notice the picture in the article?  vulpine@... | 05/13/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  drjenney@... | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  progon | 05/05/08
Mac users are like Republicans  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
Microsoft + Bundled apps  willpd13 | 05/08/08
Vista worked from day one for me and all other Windows professionals  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
DOS  willpd13 | 05/08/08
Although you are  alaniane@... | 05/08/08
No Problems Here  cseanor | 05/05/08
Running 10.5.2 on..  msalzberg | 05/05/08
To be fair..  msalzberg | 05/05/08
To be fair..  msalzberg | 05/05/08
To be fair..  msalzberg | 05/05/08
Sorry for the multiple posts.  msalzberg | 05/05/08
me too.  lostarchitect | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  comp_indiana | 05/05/08
Bad RAM  WarhavenSC | 05/05/08
It's my opinion that 99% of the problems  frgough | 05/05/08
Never buy the cheapest RAM  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
just to be safe  lostarchitect | 05/05/08
Yep  frgough | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  UrbanBard | 05/05/08
Does Jobs use any Apple hardware/software as a primary since G4 era?  Just_true | 05/05/08
huh? (n/m)  lostarchitect | 05/05/08
Is there anyone who can challange my statements using logic? (NT)  Just_true | 05/05/08
Perhaps  MarcB_z | 05/05/08
I'll make it easier for you - prove the opposite to my statements...  Just_true | 05/05/08
Vily, is that you?  MacVet | 05/05/08
Oh that's him alright. Whacky as ever! (n/t)  Badgered | 05/06/08
Stupid replies are OK for the censors. Cause' they're by the censors? (NT)  Just_true | 05/10/08
Very "logical" responses to the thread remains. Great censor's "logic" (NT)  Just_true | 05/10/08
Since you present specific challenges...  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
You are the first one who's trying to think about, but ...  Just_true | 05/06/08
"Trying to think about it?"  vulpine@... | 05/13/08
well...  lostarchitect | 05/06/08
lostarchitect has no idea what I'm talking about, but it's OK, right? (NT)  Just_true | 05/10/08
Why the censor didn't delete the feeble-minded post of lostarchitec? (NT)  Just_true | 05/10/08
English please...  *Gman* | 05/06/08
Sure...  msalzberg | 05/06/08
Even a donkey can understand English better than msalzberg & his Co. (NT)  Just_true | 05/10/08
When censor will figure out-deleting dumb replies makes thread shorter? (NT  Just_true | 05/10/08
The censor doesn't understand too - glen needs not English, but brains (NT)  Just_true | 05/10/08
Nice of you to link...  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
It would be nice if you, vulpine, would able to think...  Just_true | 05/06/08
I'm glad you think so...  vulpine@... | 05/13/08
Bad RAM  chuck3000 | 05/05/08
Did you reinstall 10.4.11 or...  msalzberg | 05/05/08
That's EXACTLY what happens with BAD RAM  cartoonasaurus | 05/06/08
not possible  Shinsengumi | 05/06/08
So let's keep the FUD and myths going about Vista  tonymcs@... | 05/05/08
You still haven't explained why...  zkiwi | 05/05/08
the vista capable class action suit  rtk | 05/06/08
Nah  zkiwi | 05/06/08
Mr. Troll, er, tonymcs...  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  U53r | 05/05/08
Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  spincitysd@... | 05/05/08
New Standard: "As BAD as VISTA"  Davewrite | 05/05/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  knutare | 05/06/08
2008  willpd13 | 05/08/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  chuck3000 | 05/06/08
Rubbishing the opposition  whisperycat | 05/06/08
When it is an Apple user ....  ShadeTree | 05/06/08
Actually since 10.5.2 = Vista that means 10.5.2 is the metric for...  ye | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  jragosta | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  JMFLA | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Hogleg | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  twday@... | 05/06/08
Mac OS on its worst day is better than Vista on its best  SteveMak | 05/06/08
heheh  rtk | 05/06/08
On being an ex-Mac-Zealot  SteveMak | 05/07/08
Mac OS 9 to Windows XP?  spstanley | 05/07/08
Yup, even OS X didn't do it for me  SteveMak | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  ekivemark | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  justinseinlin | 05/06/08
OK, but I'm about to drink the koolaid  hatster | 05/06/08
Congrats!  Richmedia | 05/06/08
Maybe you need more memory!  spstanley | 05/06/08
Chuck???s tale of woe and six more gallery images?  julesagogo | 05/06/08
Works for me  buzzl | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  euan.johnstone@... | 05/06/08
hp + vista = fast, smooth sailing  thinklady | 05/06/08
RE: Get Real!  pritchet1 | 05/06/08
I've noticed a pattern with Apple Apologists  NonZealot | 05/06/08
Forgive me,  Richmedia | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Leroy Hefty | 05/06/08
your macbook is defective  anggota@... | 05/06/08
Vista, Apple out, Ubuntu left?  Vadim P. | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  markseid@... | 05/06/08
Shouldn't the email teaser have read 'screen'?  pir8matt | 05/06/08
The example  Richmedia | 05/06/08
To people who truly use macs for work...  Spiritusindomit@... | 05/06/08
Microsoft Leopard?  John Zern | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  sbarman | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  jthor@... | 05/06/08
RE: No problems with Vista here!  ckasper@... | 05/06/08
Contradiction  jragosta | 05/06/08
From the cursing coming from my bosses  invmgr@... | 05/06/08
Fix it  jragosta | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  ckasper@... | 05/06/08
Don't worry Mac  crypt2121 | 05/06/08
Spread too THIN on iPhone  richard.ashford@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  cestrauss | 05/06/08
Most people won't hear about this...  chas_2 | 05/06/08
"...the majority of the Fortune 500 aren't exactly using Macs"  vulpine@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  vandy@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  archer75 | 05/06/08
Better yet Apple ME  thirdlife@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  waj78@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Badgered | 05/06/08
ZD NET = National Enquirer  Steven Rogers | 05/06/08
I Love Vista for me NO Problems  elliottxp | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  elliottxp | 05/06/08
Stick with Tiger!  CMichaelLeeD@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  elliottxp | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  bvandev1 | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  shassouneh | 05/06/08
Why even compare to Vista?  JABBER_WOLF | 05/06/08
Love the machine you're with  rgilbert_57@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Robert Severn | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Robert Severn | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  alterbridgeandrew@... | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  nix_hed | 05/06/08
Apple Revenue UP 43% Microsoft Down 11%  Davewrite | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  DonBurnett | 05/06/08
I don't know what you mean by "myth.."  msalzberg | 05/06/08
It's going to get worse before it gets better...  Narg | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  cnieves@... | 05/06/08
10.5.2 Works Fine on My MacBook Pro and Mac Pro  johnpublic@... | 05/06/08
Same Here  sjlamm@... | 05/06/08
I was expecting more pictures  aka_tripleB@... | 05/06/08
What a crock...  3dtodd | 05/06/08
What a crock is right  Crestview | 05/06/08
Get it together, Apple-bashers!  frabjous | 05/30/08
you've taken one  rtk | 05/31/08
While I almost agree with you, I can't.  ajole | 05/07/08
This is so horrible  Crestview | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  red_ragtop | 05/06/08
Have had no problems with 10.5.2  jorjitop | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  red_ragtop | 05/06/08
BLAME INTEL  rebelxhardcore | 05/06/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  mbattistel | 05/06/08
Is it coincidence that when Apple moved to x86 things got buggier?  gmureddu@... | 05/06/08
You're simply seeing what many have predicted  rtk | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  dovella@... | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  vampdeath@... | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  vampdeath@... | 05/07/08
To save you from the Mac fanatics, they do now have right click.  ajole | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  oldhippy68 | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  cfischer83@... | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Fujikid2 | 05/07/08
Nah..  sfazly | 05/07/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Chiatzu | 05/09/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Filldeez | 05/20/08
Computing on a Mac...  polis12 | 05/21/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Sphilpot | 05/21/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  Sorcerer8605 | 05/22/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  limanemin@... | 06/02/08
RE: Mac OS 10.5.2 = Apple Vista?  wj.mcdermott@... | 06/03/08

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