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August 8th, 2008

MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely

Posted by Jason D. O'Grady @ 7:56 am

Categories: Hardware, MacBook Pro

Tags: graphics chip, nvidia corp., apple macbook, graphics, asic, apple macbook pro, chip, symptom, apple discussion forums, asics

MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurelyIt appears that the current crop of MacBook Pros seem to be suffering from a premature failure of their Nvidia graphics processors. According to a piece on The Inquirer “All Nvidia G84 and G86s are bad” and MacBooks Pro’s with either the Nvidia 8600GT GPUs are prone to failure:

The short story is that all the G84 and G86 parts are bad. Period. No exceptions. All of them, mobile and desktop, use the exact same ASIC, so expect them to go south in inordinate numbers as well. There are caveats however, and we will detail those in a bit.

Both of these ASICs have a rather terminal problem with unnamed substrate or bumping material, and it is heat related. If you ask Nvidia officially, you will get no reason why this happened, and no list of parts affected, we tried. Unofficially, they will blame everyone under the sun, and trash their suppliers in very colourful language.

The symptoms are no video output but the computer still boots. After the problem occurs and you attach an extrnal monitor the system profiler lists the graphics card as an Intel X3100, instead of the GeForce 8600M GT that it should (pictured).

It’s difficult to say what Apple will do, they’ve extended warranties for dud batteries, so its conceivable that they would something similar for this but they haven’t yet acknowledged the problem, so who knows.

The Apple Discussion Forums are buzzing with the issue and  someone has started a spreadsheet for affected users here.

(Tip: Eliot)

Jason D. O'GradyJason D. O'Grady is the editor of PowerPage.org, which has been publishing daily mobile technology news since December 1995. For disclosures on Jason's industry affiliations, click here or to view Jason's full profile click here.

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RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely
I'm glad I got the Applecare extended warranty for my Macbook pro. All laptops have short expected lifespans compared to desktop machines, and although Apple's laptops tend to last longer they are sti... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Kebbles Posted on: 08/25/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Wouldn't this imply that ....  ShadeTree | 08/08/08
Apple hardware nowhere near what they are cracked up to be.  Solid Jedi Knight | 08/08/08
*DING* *DING* *DING* We have a winner!  HypnoToad | 08/10/08
Amen & AMEN  jahcriado | 08/25/08
How can this be?  ye | 08/08/08
The Expense Argument  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
I asked for credible facts.  ye | 08/08/08
Debunking  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
Then they're worthless wrt to my request.  ye | 08/08/08
Where's the Debunking?  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
For starters right here:  ye | 08/08/08
Congratulations You (I) Win  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
@ Harry Bardal: Not really.  ye | 08/09/08
Or buy a PC and shove Linux into it.  HypnoToad | 08/10/08
Here's Another  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
Then it's worthless wrt to my request.  ye | 08/08/08
We Have to Break Up  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
You're got that right.  ye | 08/08/08
Message has been deleted.  Linux User 147560 | 08/08/08
I guess some of us are smarter than others.  ye | 08/09/08
I have not used AV since pre xpsp2 and  xuniL_z | 08/10/08
I agree we must explore theories before we have proof.  xuniL_z | 08/10/08
Looks like wheels are falling off Apple wagon one by one  LBiege | 08/08/08
There's no reason to believe ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/08/08
Apple's thermal management designs ....  ShadeTree | 08/08/08
Apple's thermal designs  rdawson@... | 08/11/08
Not even close to true!  ShadeTree | 08/12/08
AND the HEAT DEATH TRAP that is the iMAC  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
Fantasy is fun, STFJ, but most people prefer numbers when buying a computer  Rod Hagen | 08/13/08
NAIVE + GULLABLE - ideal Apple customer  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
Why not Thinkpads, then?  Rod Hagen | 08/08/08
Whoops, duplicate  Rod Hagen | 08/13/08
Imagine that  Spiritusindomit@... | 08/08/08
So much for that higher grade of parts theory  zmud | 08/08/08
A stylish pretty, easily scratchable case with generic fodder inside.  HypnoToad | 08/10/08
nVidia is to blame, not apple  rdawson@... | 08/11/08
CRACKED RECORD!  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
We all heard you the first time, STFJ  Rod Hagen | 08/13/08
Considering ....  ShadeTree | 08/08/08
I was thinking the same thing  laura.b | 08/08/08
Apple sold these chips knowing full well they would fail  KTLA | 08/08/08
Apple Parts- Apple Bashers  gkent_z | 08/08/08
As your post demonstrates ...  ShadeTree | 08/08/08
Got any proof to back up your claim?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/08/08
None that the Apple crowd would accept.  ShadeTree | 08/08/08
It's True  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
Thanks for proving my point.  ShadeTree | 08/11/08
Here is accountability.  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
Perhaps he's been to China or Taiwan...  zkiwi | 08/08/08
It is not Apple's production lines.  ShadeTree | 08/11/08
Considering Apple uses ODMs used by OEMs....  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
Imaginary reliability?  GuidingLight | 08/08/08
"Apple has promptly dealt with any issue"  LBiege | 08/08/08
Nvida defects are not a new issue...  girlyslap | 08/08/08
No one is denying that.  ShadeTree | 08/08/08
Possibly, but compared to ATi they're still superior.  HypnoToad | 08/10/08
But NVidia May Go Bankrupt....  dunn@... | 08/11/08
Who is responsible: Apple or NVidia?  NonZealot | 08/08/08
NVidia already has taken the blame, but...  dunn@... | 08/11/08
iDie  DotNetPgmr | 08/08/08
apple knowing selling faulty gpu's  bicard | 08/08/08
We are turning into crybabies  croberts | 08/09/08
RE: Apple  Bozzer | 08/08/08
yeah and mine blew up 53 times  doh123 | 08/09/08
Don't buy a **MAC** next time then!  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
A response to the feral fulminations of a frenzied fool  Rod Hagen | 08/12/08
Awww, it looks like the world is coming to an end  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/08/08
"a premature failure" ????  James T. Kirk | 08/08/08
RE: or are they?  Rod Hagen | 08/08/08
APPLE have always been FAR MORE than a "bit fishy"  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
The louder they scream the less they have to say!  Rod Hagen | 08/12/08
whats with...  doh123 | 08/09/08
Ever heard occam's razor ?  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
running against Ftang Ftang Olay Biscuit Barrel perhaps?  Rod Hagen | 08/12/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  Stan57 | 08/09/08
Isn't it Apple's responsibility ...  LBiege | 08/10/08
heat management  reverseswing | 08/10/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  Rod Hagen | 08/11/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  rdawson@... | 08/11/08
They'll do what they did with the bad iBook logicboards  marks055@... | 08/11/08
Given The DISASTER that is the 3G iPHONE...  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  atari8bit@... | 08/11/08
Indubitabley  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
Suggestions for owners of affected MBPs?  aolongley | 08/12/08
But have you learned from your Apple MISTAKE?  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
Ah! I might have finally sussed it!  Rod Hagen | 08/13/08
DELETED post  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
DELETED POST  theSONtheFATHER+JOBS! | 08/12/08
RE: posted as reply to story instead of to post  Rod Hagen | 08/13/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  phatkat | 08/20/08
Which mac?  Rod Hagen | 08/20/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  tossedsalads | 08/24/08
RE: MacBook Pro graphics chips failing prematurely  Kebbles | 08/25/08

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