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November 1st, 2009

Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less

Posted by David Morgenstern @ 9:11 pm

Categories: Mac OS, Windows 7

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Microsoft Windows Vista, Apple Inc., Version 7, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows 7, Operating Systems, Software, David Morgenstern

No doubt, Windows 7 users will find that the latest update to the Microsoft client operating system sucks less than Vista. And so they should after all the time, effort and budget line items put into the fixes (and let’s not forget the pain in the user base). One of Apple’s latest ads counter by recalling past promises with of Redmond for a better experience, which reminds me of a time when a certain Mac OS also “sucked less.”

However, I don’t buy Redmond’s “Lucky 7″ version count.

In the Apple ad, the Windows 7 character transforms into the following previous versions: Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows Me, Windows 95, Windows 2. This leaves Windows 1.0, which totals 7 versions.

I see the count differently than Apple or Microsoft: There can be no dispute until we head past flavors of Windows 3. Here’s my list:

Windows 1: Shipped in 1985 and nobody cared.
Windows 2: Shipped in 1987 and few cared.
Windows 3: Came out in 1990 and PC users cared, especially with Windows 3.1 in 1992 (And I include here the introduction of Windows NT, which I believe was given a 3.x number.)
Windows 4: Windows 95. Huge. The last DOS-based version.
Windows 5: Windows 2000. The transition to the NT kernel.
Windows 6: Windows XP. Still gotta love it.
Window 7: Vista. Incorporated a number of Longhorn elements.
Windows 7.5: What Microsoft is calling Windows 7.

In the Windows Vista Team blog, Mike Nash says that Windows 7 is called Version 7 for “simplicity.”

The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity. Over the years, we have taken different approaches to naming Windows.  We’ve used version numbers like Windows 3.11, or dates like Windows 98, or “aspirational” monikers like Windows XP or Windows Vista.  And since we do not ship new versions of Windows every year, using a date did not make sense.  Likewise, coming up with an all-new “aspirational” name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows.

Simply put, this is the seventh release of Windows, so therefore “Windows 7″ just makes sense.

It makes sense to you, Mike. To me and most Vista users, the update is mostly a big batch of fixes bundled with some new features and fixes to the interface outrages of Vista. So, this Windows 7 should be called Windows 7.5.

Version 7 reminds me of the problems faced by Apple and the Mac community with the transition to System 7 back in the early 1990s. FYI: in those days, it wasn’t called Mac OS System 7 or Mac OS 7, or whatever; it was just plain System 7. It ran on Macs.

For developers, System 7 was a huge transition, similar to the later transition experienced moving from the Classic Mac OS to the Unix-based Mac OS X. It introduced support requirements for technologies or capabilities that today we would find almost unimaginable to be without:

- The version required a hard disk and needed more memory than the older System 6, which ran in 1MB of RAM (yes, that’s “megabyte”).
- Support for multitasking with Multifinder became mandatory for programs as was support for “32-bit clean” coding (now we’re making the transition to 64-bit computing). Color support was also assumed and required by developers.
- System extensions, or “inits” that let developers and users add low-level capabilites at boot time.
- Full implementation of a drag-and-drop interface.
- Aliases for files, directories, disk volumes, printers and network shares.
- File sharing, which was done over an AppleTalk network.
- Apple Events and their scripting language, AppleScript, were introduced.

Users found that performance with older hardware suffered. It was a tough time. In a January 1993 special report in MacWEEK, more than a year after release, less than half of machines at subscriber sites had upgraded. Software compatibility was still an issue and hardware upgrade costs constrained adoption. A “Pro” version, System 7.1 wasn’t well received.

In the summer of 1994, Apple engineers prepped a major fix. At the Macworld Expo in Boston, I remember walking down the hallway to an Apple insider developer party in a hotel. It was ad hoc, not funded by marketing; a few bowls of potato chips. Yet, like almost everything at Apple then, there was a t-shirt for the event.

It read “System 7.5 sucks less” and “We’ve upped our standards — up yours.” This was pointed jab at third-party developers. Ouch. Still, a bit defensive.

And Version 7.5 was better. It did suck less, a lot less.
You can see front and back photos of the shirt in Uninorth’s photostream on Flickr.

My guess is that Windows 7 will suck less. Or maybe, Apple is right, we will have to wait for Windows 7.5. Whatever, I’m still staying with Windows XP on my MacBook Pro. The price is right.

David MorgensternDavid Morgenstern has covered the Mac market and other technology segments for 20 years. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity.
The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity?
No I think not, it is a way for Microsoft to spin the name vista out of their corporate lexicon. I.E. If we don't talk about it it never happened, right?... (Read the rest)
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Ummmm...  elmonstro | 11/01/09
Morgenstern  M.R. Kennedy | 11/01/09
Are you kidding me?  athynz | 11/02/09
Dude! Seriously!  M.R. Kennedy | 11/02/09
problems with OEM  Willtur | 11/03/09
RE problems with OEM  j-mccurdy@... | 11/03/09
7 and Vista are similar  stano360 | 11/05/09
yea I don't know what your problem was...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Interesting  notsofast | 11/03/09
Some common sense...  JaySee5 | 11/02/09
Minor correction  Spikey_Mike | 11/02/09
HA!  shadfurman | 11/03/09
It shouldn't even be  Erroneous | 11/02/09
It doesn't matter what the code base is...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  roteague | 11/01/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  mv520 | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  roteague | 11/01/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  divebus | 11/01/09
@divebus  j-mccurdy@... | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  richard@... | 11/01/09
I think...  isulzer | 11/01/09
That's what I thought about XP  Greenknight_z | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  divebus | 11/01/09
you say what your missing with OSX but what am I missing with Windows? (nt)  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Missing  levinson | 11/03/09
Apple logos on hardware...  PollyProteus | 11/03/09
There are still plenty of interface outrages.  dgurney | 11/02/09
Re: Plnety of Interface Outrages  eric812@... | 11/02/09
@eric812@...  j-mccurdy@... | 11/03/09
cause you don't know how to organize your start menu...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Why bother?  stano360 | 11/05/09
Excuse Me!  anovelo | 11/03/09
-1 early entry for worst ZDNET post of the week  johnfenjackson@... | 11/02/09
Oh wait I want to join too...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  edmetric | 11/02/09
Obvious flamebait is obvious.  Sleeper Service | 11/02/09
i know.  lostarchitect | 11/02/09
Can we get some TP for this article now?  James T. Kirk | 11/02/09
Boo-Hoo Apple Fans  jpr75_z | 11/02/09
Fortune reports that...  CowLauncher | 11/02/09
That reminds me...  Sleeper Service | 11/02/09
The Inquirer ?  Jkirk3279 | 11/02/09
I think if you read it's tongue and cheek at the Apple fruits...  USTechHead | 11/02/09
Great article  levinson | 11/03/09
Fortune Reports that Cowinkydink is cool!  Grey Ash | 11/02/09
Thats basic marketing...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Actually  athynz | 11/02/09
On second thought...  M.R. Kennedy | 11/02/09
ARE YOU AND IDIOT?!  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Time to install Windows 7: 35 minutes.  James T. Kirk | 11/02/09
Not really  Michael Kelly | 11/02/09
interesting....  g-ssg | 11/02/09
About the same for me but I went to 64 from 32 Vista...  USTechHead | 11/02/09
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! (nt)  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Time to install Win7: 4 hours  nfordzdn | 11/03/09
You can easily turn UAC off  stano360 | 11/05/09
Well Windows has sucked worse with every release...  mrlinux | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  IcyFog | 11/02/09
Windows Me was windows 98 revamped...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  phatkat | 11/02/09
Windows Count... I've figured it out!!!  mikefarinha | 11/02/09
Yawn  davidhayes | 11/02/09
You forgot a couple...  mjrepublicano | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  PottHead | 11/02/09
Windows NT numbers  Pyrotech_z | 11/02/09
um, actually...  ccpljat | 11/02/09
Dont forget 98 SE  Hate Malware | 11/02/09
All them versions...  cquirke | 11/03/09
More accurate list, not history  tyelmene | 11/03/09
Windows NT 3.5 was fairly concurrent with '95...  shadfurman | 11/03/09
missing  olivert321 | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  mlevault | 11/02/09
For *DISTANCE*...  bbneo | 11/02/09
Oh, improve sales?  shadfurman | 11/03/09
Correct Versions  aktazdevil | 11/02/09
Sad little article...nt  USTechHead | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  DarkLynx | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  jdtwoseven | 11/02/09
Real history of Microsoft Version numbers  ccpljat | 11/02/09
Windows 7.5? Count your versions!  dcwest | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  Grey Ash | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  john@... | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  eye4bear | 11/02/09
What was Windows ME, chopped Liver?  johnbartley | 11/02/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  mvmiller12 | 11/02/09
Vista  steve_jonesuk@... | 11/03/09
Windows 7 is to Vista what XP was to Windows 2000  cquirke | 11/03/09
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WEP Network?  anovelo | 11/03/09
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less  nix_hed | 11/04/09
The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity.  pc____user | 11/07/09

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