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January 6th, 2009

Apple rolls the dice on fixed MacBook Pro batteries

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 10:51 am

Categories: Apple, General, Hardware Infrastructure, Personal Technology

Tags: Apple MacBook, Battery, Apple Inc., Apple MacBook Pro, Philip Schiller, Engineering, Larry Dignan

Apple’s Macworld swan song had a little bit of everything–DRM free music on iTunes, iWork.com and Philip Schiller’s first and final keynote–but the biggest item may have been a bet that customers will go for a fixed battery on the 17-inch MacBook Pro.

Jason O’Grady’s live notes on Schiller’s debut (Techmeme) sum up the initial reaction (my emphasis added):

10:22 a.m. PST: Here’s the line on the 17 inch MacBook Pro:

  • $2799 2.66 C2D, 4GB, 2 GPUs, 320GB HDD;
  • Starts shipping in late January;
  • Environmental report card: EPEAT Gold 2009

10:20 a.m. PST: So what exactly do I do after 1,000 recharge cycles. Leave it to Apple to spin a fixed battery. Pass the Kool-Aid. Schiller says the battery lifespan is five years. Schiller gets applause for battery but it’s 5 out of 10 on the applause-o-meter. Schiller says there will be less batteries thrown away.

10:15 a.m. PST: Schiller steals Jobs’ line and says “one more thing” as he mentions a 17 inch MacBook Pro. Schiller said it quickly. The MacBook Pro will be unibody aluminium (no surprise), will be .98 inches (world’s thinnest) and 6.6 pounds (the lightest for 17 inches. it also has a 1920 x 1200 screen with $50 anti-glare option. Death to the glossy and my prayers have been answered. However, there’s the “integrated battery connector” when showing the side ports and referring to the LED battery gauge. Schiller confirms the fixed battery on the 17 inch MacBookPro. Other details: Up to 8GB RAM, 9400M with 512, both GPUs built in, SSD option. Battery is the most important feature though.  Battery lasts up to 8 hours and 1,000 recharge cycles without adding to weight or size.  There’s a 40 percent larger battery since Apple made it fixed. The battery has custom shaped cells an lithium polymer.  The lifespan of the battery is supposed to be three times longer than the industry average.

That live reaction is what a lot of folks are going to be wondering about. Schiller noted that fewer batteries will be thrown away and sure 8 hours is a long time. You can even rationalize the fact that few people are going to lug around a 17-inch MacBook Pro that weighs almost seven pounds.

But if you buy the latest MacBook Pro you’re really betting on a custom battery that will perform well in its first generation. Perhaps these batteries will last five years. Probably not. I’ll reserve judgment on the fixed battery thing, but I’m in no rush to be anything more than a slow follower on Apple’s experiment.

Will you go for a fixed battery on the 17-inch MacBook Pro?

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That assumes I believe NOnZ doesn't it?
Say I do believe NonZ and he does use it. The question if
what purpose does it server? I also asked that one and he
did not answer.

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Posted by: James Quinn Posted on: 01/11/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
In "theory" I don't see a problem with it.  James Quinn | 01/06/09
Except...  cornpie | 01/06/09
Perhaps but then again say the battery lasts 3 or 4  James Quinn | 01/06/09
Especially  DannyO_0x98 | 01/06/09
Apple wants to make sure that batteries aren't lonely in the landfill  NonZealot | 01/06/09
What do you run on this 7 year old Toshiba and  James Quinn | 01/06/09
You're still using a 7 year old Toshiba? Sad.  snberk341 | 01/09/09
Jim...  Sleeper Service | 01/06/09
Well that depends......  James Quinn | 01/06/09
I agree to an extent...  Sleeper Service | 01/06/09
Lenovo? Don't know the terms Apple has with Intel.  James Quinn | 01/06/09
The point is that...  Sleeper Service | 01/06/09
I understand what you are saying but I think we  James Quinn | 01/06/09
*  Gnutella | 01/06/09
This sounds quite nice  NonZealot | 01/06/09
There is always Linux....:P  James Quinn | 01/06/09
From Apple....  Stuka | 01/06/09
So I have to pay for both OS X and Windows?  NonZealot | 01/06/09
Well being such a Windows guy I would be shocked  James Quinn | 01/06/09
Zounds  DannyO_0x98 | 01/06/09
No, OS X comes free with the computer. [nt]  olePigeon | 01/07/09
Just like Windows comes free with most PCs?  NonZealot | 01/07/09
No, you're wrong again as usual...  olePigeon | 01/07/09
Strictly speaking...  snberk341 | 01/09/09
Please look up definition of "tax"....  snberk341 | 01/09/09
So...  LiquidLearner | 01/06/09
There is no OS X tax, the OS is free with the computer. [nt]  olePigeon | 01/07/09
Citation needed....  snberk341 | 01/09/09
Now you have to an uber iTard  Gnutella | 01/06/09
I don't think anyone would die but what would  James Quinn | 01/06/09
You don't have use of a card reader?  LiquidLearner | 01/06/09
I can attach all me external devices directly via USB  James Quinn | 01/07/09
Why?  Stuka | 01/06/09
Then you have to find the USB cable...  LiquidLearner | 01/06/09
Different way of thinking:  snberk341 | 01/09/09
A truly disposable computer for the I-tards. NO EXCUSES. HORRIBLE IDEA  ThePoke | 01/06/09
if you buy a 3k computer...  doh123 | 01/06/09
But...  cornpie | 01/06/09
what?  doh123 | 01/06/09
I truly love Apple's approach to iPhone battery replacement  NonZealot | 01/06/09
Don't replace the battery, replace the phone.  Timpraetor | 01/06/09
Again sigh....  James Quinn | 01/07/09
You can't use the "old technology" argument:  snberk341 | 01/09/09
That assumes I believe NOnZ doesn't it?  James Quinn | 01/11/09
Do you still.....  snberk341 | 01/09/09
NO excuses of course there are excuses silly statement.  James Quinn | 01/06/09
5 YRS? You have functional 5 yr old laptop batteries?  invmgr@... | 01/06/09
Sure do!  mbrierley | 01/07/09
Agan in "theory" these are a new breed of batteries  James Quinn | 01/07/09
$1500? Try $2800!  NonZealot | 01/06/09
Apologists?  snberk341 | 01/09/09
$2600??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!  itanalyst2@... | 01/06/09
Not the cheapest...  Drawsalot | 01/06/09
RE: Apple rolls the dice on fixed MacBook Pro batteries  Timpraetor | 01/06/09
No thanks, I'll wait for ultracapacitors  zackers | 01/06/09
RE: Apple rolls the dice on fixed MacBook Pro batteries  oncall | 01/06/09
Can you explain the logic to me?  NonZealot | 01/06/09
Spare batteries are overrated IMHO  oncall | 01/06/09
the big problem is not spares  gigabot71 | 01/06/09
It'll depend on the user  oncall | 01/06/09
You seem to be misunderstanding...  msalzberg | 01/07/09
My question is one of blame  NonZealot | 01/06/09
Your argument rests on one big assumption  oncall | 01/06/09
Not without precedent  NonZealot | 01/06/09
LOL  oncall | 01/06/09
LOL all you want  NonZealot | 01/06/09
Are these the same apologists...  Sleeper Service | 01/07/09
Sleeper....  James Quinn | 01/07/09
Please cite facts:  msalzberg | 01/07/09
This is coming from someone with a 7 year old Toshiba?  snberk341 | 01/09/09
Makes no sense.  TripleII | 01/06/09
Really??  oncall | 01/06/09
Stretching it.  TripleII | 01/06/09
No, you're right.  msalzberg | 01/07/09
RE: Apple rolls the dice on fixed MacBook Pro batteries  gigabot71 | 01/06/09
This was fully explained..  msalzberg | 01/07/09
Forget the battery, look at the price!  TripleII | 01/06/09
You have to compare like vs like  NonZealot | 01/06/09
LMAO, good one. Actual burst out on that one! grin (nt)  TripleII | 01/06/09
You also forgot...  olePigeon | 01/07/09
Hehe, reminds me of HTC Touch Diamond vs iPhone!  NonZealot | 01/07/09
No...  olePigeon | 01/07/09
First thing you've said I can agree with (NT)  snberk341 | 01/09/09
None of the laptops you listed are even comparable to the MacBook Pro. [nt]  olePigeon | 01/07/09
Apple is consumer focused  apiercy@... | 01/06/09
I don't see where they get 5 years...  LiquidLearner | 01/06/09
Love it, going to start quoting you.  TripleII | 01/06/09
Now now my friend....  James Quinn | 01/07/09
While you may think that ...  msalzberg | 01/07/09
You forgot the moss....  snberk341 | 01/09/09
Put an Apple sticker on it...  Gnutella | 01/06/09
Hooray for iTards  burtyboy | 01/06/09
Thanks for catching my point!  ThePoke | 01/06/09
That's because people DO throw them away  ThePoke | 01/06/09
Again, what's the difference.  TripleII | 01/06/09
As I understand it the laptop is ultra recyclable....  James Quinn | 01/07/09
Just pointing out people don't think.  TripleII | 01/07/09
And the government wants to dump radioactive  James Quinn | 01/07/09
What a POS I think they should charge 3500  tech_walker | 01/06/09
It's the recharge cycles, sillies.  vgsmike@... | 01/07/09
I wonder what is meant by "good" for 1000 charges?  James Quinn | 01/07/09
All is answered here:  msalzberg | 01/07/09
Full recharge cycle..  msalzberg | 01/07/09
Seriously has anyone done a study about how  James Quinn | 01/07/09
Any laptop maker would know--  oncall | 01/07/09
No they wouldn't ...  terry flores | 01/08/09
This is really a brilliant idea, for Apple.  terry flores | 01/08/09

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