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October 16th, 2008

Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 8:53 am

Categories: Cloud computing, Gartner Symposium, Gartner Symposium 2008, General, Google, Microsoft, Software Infrastructure, Web Technology

Tags: Google Inc., Google Apps, Microsoft Windows 7, Steve Ballmer, Yahoo! Inc., Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Cloud Computing

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer on Thursday defended Vista’s honor–again–but at least gave a nod to enterprise buyers that planned to skip it and upgrade when Windows 7 launches. He also noted that a Microsoft purchase of Yahoo would still make sense, but there are no talks. And he called Google Apps primitive while he was at it.
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Ballmer, speaking at the final keynote at the Gartner Symposium ITxpo in Orlando (Twitter feed), came to the stage in the middle of an economic swoon where enterprises are still debating whether to upgrade to Vista. Ballmer spoke via a Q&A with Gartner analysts Neil MacDonald and David Mitchell Smith.

First, Ballmer defended Vista’s honor as he had at last year’s Gartner’s powwow.

“The adoption rate of Vista is faster than the adoption rate was of XP two years in,” said Ballmer, who noted that there were issues with compatibility. “We had a great success with security and starting to see a ramp with adoption.”

MacDonald countered with Gartner survey data that 61 percent of respondents are thinking about skipping Vista. Ballmer said that Microsoft would be ready for that outcome too. Mentioning Windows 7–he quipped about the creative naming convention of using just “7″–he indicated that Microsoft would be ready for folks that want to skip Vista. In fact, he said Windows 7 would be compatible with Vista.

“Our next release of Windows will be compatible with Vista. The key is let’s get on with it. We’ll be ready when you want to deploy Windows 7.”
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Ballmer was asked why Windows 7 is considered a major release instead of just the second rev of Vista. His reply: “It’s not minor because it’s a lot more work than a minor release. It’s a major release.”

Ballmer also noted that Windows 7 will improve the operating system shell. “Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better,” he said, noting cleanness of user interface. Is this fit and finish improvement? Gartner analysts kept referring to Windows 7 as a release candidate 2.

Another key question: Given the economic environment, why upgrade to Vista?

“If people want to wait they really can,” said Ballmer. “But I’d definitely deploy Vista.” He noted that most IT buyers upgrade the OS when they deploy new machines.

The other elephant in the room was the Yahoo deal. Yahoo, which used to be a takeover target of Microsoft, is getting cheaper by the minute.

In fact, Yahoo tagged yet another 52-week low on Thursday traded below the $12 mark.

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Could Yahoo come into play again for Microsoft?

The answer seemed to be to never say never, but there’s nothing imminent. “We offered $33 bucks (for Yahoo) and it’s $11 today,” said Ballmer. “It’s clear Yahoo didn’t want to sell. They probably still think it’s worth more than $33 a share. I still think it makes sense for their shareholders and ours.”

Update:  Those comments put Yahoo shares on better footing almost instantly. When Ballmer speaks Yahoo shareholders listen.

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Among other topics:

Google Apps: Ballmer said he didn’t consider Google Microsoft’s biggest competitor. Gartner’s questioners asked Ballmer about the Google Apps threat and he became animated. “People don’t use it. People try Google Apps, they don’t use it. You can’t even put a footnote in a document!” said Ballmer. When asked if Ballmer was dismissing Google Apps, he said that Google has “very primitive” capabilities. “We have better competition today than Google Docs and Spreadsheets. We get more competition from OpenOffice and StarOffice frankly,” said Ballmer.

Consumer: Ballmer noted that Xbox, Office 2007 and Messenger have been consumer hits. However, Ballmer pooh-poohed the idea that Microsoft was favoring consumer over enterprise.

Multicore: Optimizing applications to take advantage of multicore technology is a challenging problem. Windows’ NT code base can still improve.

ballmer21.pngMicrosoft’s cloud OS: Why should people care? “We have a big announcement in two weeks at our Professional Developers Conference and we’re going to run through this stuff,” said Ballmer, looking at his 10 handlers in the crowd (right) and knowing he’d be saying too much. Regarding cloud computing he said it’s critical Microsoft has a platform in the cloud because it’s more than just hosting.

Does Microsoft worry about losing focus? “No,” said Ballmer. He said it’s silly to not think the world is going to change. He said he has no problems building everything from data centers to devices.

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It takes FIVE handlers for Ballmer?  Mark-Twain | 10/16/08
They need to make sure...  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 10/16/08
airborn  SuperPenguin | 10/17/08
He must have ordered more handlers to come...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 10/16/08
Those aren't the handlers...  trentreviso | 10/18/08
Well that makes perfect sense...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 10/19/08
Vista SE  Anton Philidor | 10/16/08
Vista SE still seems the best designation to me.  deowll | 10/17/08
Vista works great and so does office 2007  progon | 10/16/08
No they don't  dragosani | 10/16/08
I take that's part of the downgrade option...  Sleeper Service | 10/16/08
Extension  dragosani | 10/16/08
It means  LiquidLearner | 10/16/08
Less backwards compatability in order to what?  opcom | 10/17/08
backwards compatibility  Anonymous Benefactor | 12/27/08
But less than one-third corporate sales...  Sleeper Service | 10/16/08
It's apparently too difficult for you  drobinow | 10/20/08
Yes, but thanks to those who have rolled out Vista...  xuniL_z | 10/16/08
Yes, thank you very much!  jk_10 | 10/16/08
Pure luck  tikigawd | 10/17/08
You really believe that?  xuniL_z | 10/17/08
Currently, yes  tikigawd | 10/17/08
Google is Microsoft's biggest threat.  914four | 10/17/08
w00t!  TedKraan | 10/17/08
*  914four | 10/17/08
Finally some decent comment  jk_10 | 10/16/08
adoption rate  merc2dogs` | 10/17/08
MS Office is good.  deowll | 10/17/08
every new computer comes with Vista ..  morph000 | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  Loverock Davidson | 10/16/08
Actually  Michael Kelly | 10/16/08
If XP is still doing the job. Then better safe than  James Quinn | 10/16/08
Still using Tiger then, Jim?  Sleeper Service | 10/16/08
Haven't you learned anything, Sleeper?  tikigawd | 10/17/08
No. Still Too Early  DannyO_0x98 | 10/16/08
Wrong again...  thelivo | 10/16/08
Not worried about Google Apps  LiquidLearner | 10/16/08
my understanding is just fine thanks  thelivo | 10/19/08
Politeness...Down 500. It's Civility Volatility  DannyO_0x98 | 10/16/08
And You're STILL An Idiot  itanalyst2@... | 10/16/08
Great, now you went and insulted every idiot on the planet!  B.O.F.H. | 10/16/08
Really.  xuniL_z | 10/17/08
Are you Loverock Davidsons girlfriend or something?  B.O.F.H. | 10/17/08
girlfriend?  xuniL_z | 10/17/08
I don't think the ZDNet censors would go for the other term...  B.O.F.H. | 10/17/08
It's obvious.  xuniL_z | 10/17/08
Didn't think you were that easy...  B.O.F.H. | 10/17/08
Loverock loves Steve  Don Collins | 10/16/08
Microsoft Rocks and Google finance is cool  pcguy777 | 10/17/08
Stone Age??  CheezHead59 | 10/20/08
Google Aps aren't crap.  deowll | 10/17/08
hello monkey boy  Quebec-french | 10/16/08
The true irony here is...  Sleeper Service | 10/16/08
LOL - too true - that was funny - very quick - nt  USTechHead | 10/17/08
Really?  gustown | 10/16/08
"Monkey boy" worth 15 billion...  rthutchison@... | 10/16/08
Re:"Monkey boy" worth 15 billion ..  DraXkenLSI | 10/17/08
Yes  Crestview | 10/18/08
People listen to the Dolt?  itguy08 | 10/16/08
No, I always try to avoid....  xuniL_z | 10/16/08
Well you sure do a poor job of that...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 10/16/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  rtirman37@... | 10/16/08
It's good they have his permission.  TripleII | 10/16/08
TripleII, please don't engage with the blogger. Nowhere did Balmer say ....  xuniL_z | 10/16/08
You are right, I went by the title.  TripleII | 10/16/08
Do you remember the infamous blog title "Microsoft is Losing Your Data"  xuniL_z | 10/16/08
But they're right...  914four | 10/17/08
Why?  gustown | 10/16/08
they will be in real trouble if they they don't upgrade to 7.  deowll | 10/17/08
Holy crap Batman. I can't believe he said that...  BitTwiddler | 10/16/08
Said what, exactly?  xuniL_z | 10/16/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Go  Tom in Raleigh | 10/16/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  tburzio | 10/16/08
Lets see some educated comparions  custserv@... | 10/16/08
The Trip Down Memory Lane  DannyO_0x98 | 10/16/08
RE:Trip Down Memory Lane  section101 | 10/17/08
can see how this is acutally working in comparison with other OS's??  deowll | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  ghot@... | 10/16/08
So 49% aren't...  deowll | 10/17/08
If you had used a Mac perhaps...  914four | 10/17/08
The nuts and bolts of the issue.  General C# | 10/17/08
You missed something.  deowll | 10/17/08
RE: Nothing funny in a bullfight  RayneToday | 10/17/08
Google aps don't support Office 2007  deowll | 10/17/08
Why would you want Office 2007?  RayneToday | 10/19/08
The condescension is striking....  techboy_z | 10/17/08
The condescension is striking....  schmandel@... | 10/17/08
It is NOT OK to wait for Windows 7  akaltman@... | 10/17/08
My Vista (Ultimate) has worked great...your mileage may vary...  USTechHead | 10/17/08
Firefox is then and now the savior of the internet user. I have all the @$  rtirman37@... | 10/18/08
Then install dos and shut up.  deowll | 10/17/08
You bring up an interesting point  Li1t | 10/18/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  alabastida | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  Cal Woosnam | 10/17/08
Bill Gates is a genius.  magallanes | 10/17/08
Microsoft should buy NBC . . . all of it.  bob@... | 10/17/08
Yahoo & MSN  SuperPenguin | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  Ohioblue8514@... | 10/17/08
Again users will probably get screwed...  mikifinaz1@... | 10/17/08
RE: Yes, I'll wait for Windows 8  laman | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  erniem1970@... | 10/17/08
FREE Upgrade to 7 if buy vista in 2009  ilordvader | 10/17/08
RE: Windows 7, Vista SE so many questions  El Condor | 10/18/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Go  t8 | 10/19/08
Ballmer - "We are screwed".  t8 | 10/19/08
Everything needs to be interpreted  Cosmic1 | 10/20/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  mikes2nd | 10/20/08
Open Office / Star Office  softwareFlunky | 10/20/08
What???  metilley@... | 10/20/08
Long term memory lapse?  CheezHead59 | 10/20/08
Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet...  914four | 10/21/08
Off Topic - Al Gore and The Internet Are Irrelevant  Cardhu | 10/26/08
Yahoo what?! who?!?!  Gradius2 | 11/14/08
backwards compatibility  Anonymous Benefactor | 12/27/08
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  gwreg4fge | 10/06/09
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  pinoytutorial | 10/23/09
Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  pinoytutorial | 10/23/09
RE: Ballmer: It's ok to wait until Windows 7; Yahoo still 'makes sense'; Google Apps 'primitive'  kagyhelen | 10/26/09

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