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March 3rd, 2009

Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 6:53 am

Categories: Apple, General, Hardware Infrastructure, Personal Technology

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Apple Intel Mac Mini, Apple Inc., Desktops, Hardware, Larry Dignan

Apple on Tuesday outlined a refresh of its iMac, Mac Pro and Mac mini lineups and the headliners are the Intel Nehalem-based Mac Pro and the iMac 24-inch update. However, perusing the updates you have to wonder if the Mac mini is irrelevant. 

First, the highlights, which are outlined by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes, Jason O’Grady, Techmeme and Apple’s statements on its Mac Pro and consumer desktops. The Mac Pro starts at $2,499, uses Intel’s Nehalem Xeon processors and features the latest graphic chips from Nvidia and ATI. 

In the statement, Apple seems to be pushing price for value hard–a fact that isn’t surprising given the economy. Philip Schiller, Apple’s marketing chief, calls the Mac Pro a significant upgrade that starts at $300 cheaper than before. 

Gallery: Apple iMac, Mac Pro and Mac mini Feb ‘09 refresh

It’s a similar story on Apple’s consumer lineup where Apple touts its 24-inch iMac starting at the same price as its 20-inch predecessor.

Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster also notes Apple’s nod to pricing, but adds that the product refresh/pricing is consistent with historical standards at the company. However, Munster also adds that Apple’s desktop refresh comes amid what’s likely to be weak Mac unit sales for February. Munster writes in a research note:

Next Datapoint On Apple: Expect Feb NPD To Be Relatively Weak On 3/16. Month of February NPD is scheduled to be released on 3/16. Through the first month of March quarter (January), the Mac unit NPD data was tracking down 6% y/y. We expect month of February Mac unit data will be down ~12% y/y, given Feb-09 is a tough comp vs. Feb-08, due to Macbook Air launch. Street is modeling for Mac units down ~4% y/y for the March quarter.

The afterthought in this equation is the Mac mini, which doesn’t line up with better performance and seems priced out of its niche. The specs for the Mac mini are certainly better than before, but Adrian Kingsley-Hughes notes:

The Mac mini update really is little more than the bare minimum Apple could have done.

Good point indeed. And then you consider the price. The Mac mini has two prices–$599 or $799 depending on the memory you get. Now let’s acknowledge that the Mac mini has a neat design. It’s also green. But the value proposition of a Mac mini is questionable. Why?

  • Netbooks are much cheaper and have screens.
  • Non-Apple laptops will cost about the same as the Mac mini. 
  • You still have to account for a monitor (Apple’s store suggests the $899 24-inch Apple LED Cinema Display.
  • And it’s unclear what niche the Mac mini fills. It’s not quite a living room PC–think Apple TV and Sony Playstation–and it’s not an iMac. 

In other words, I have no idea what would convince me to buy a Mac mini even if I loved Apple. There are too many options that offer better value–even on Apple’s own store. If I really wanted a Mac I’d buy something other than the Mac mini. Hell, I’d even get an Apple TV over a Mac mini.

Add it up and it’s quite possible that a Mac mini buyer could eye the $799 version and go either two ways: A person spend another $400 and get an iMac or walk away for more value somewhere else. Apple obviously bets on the former, but you have to wonder why the company needs the Mac mini in its lineup at all. It’s a tweener that just doesn’t make a lot of sense these days.

Update: There are a lot of folks giving me Mac mini use cases now. A few use cases via email and the Talkbacks below:

  • Mini clusters as a cheap server set-up;
  • Rack them as computing power for audiophiles;
  • Cheap Mac desktops for those loaded with monitors and accessories.

Here are a few use cases:

Email 1: The music lover

You posed the question “I have no idea what would convince me to buy a Mac mini even if I loved Apple.”

May I share with you the general adoption of the Mac mini among audiophiles deploying digital music servers?

We all have our own interests, our own hobbies. One of mine is audio of the classical music flavor.

It’s impossible to pick up a serious audio magazine (”stereo” or “hifi” for us oldsters) and not come upon various discussions of digital music using the Mac mini as a server device.

In a classic “chicken and egg” situation, many serious digital music software systems are written only for the Apple OS.

Want to use a particular piece of software as your key ingredient? Buy an Apple PC–any Apple PC—because you’ve got no choice.

As you can appreciate, the cheapest and easiest Apple to deploy in a living room or on an audio equipment rack is the Mac mini.

Hey, happy to answer your question for you.

Email 2: Stack em club

For me, the MacMini is a valuable addition to my computer inventory. I use them for web servers.

  • They’re cheap, for a Mac.
  • The software I use is Mac-only.
  • I don’t need keyboards and screens.
  • I stack ‘em up.
  • Bottom line: The Mac mini fills a valuable  niche.

Email 3: Replacement for PCs

Interesting question about the Mac Mini.  I suspect I may be a good representative of the target market. Had a legacy XP system in my small office.  Bought a MacBook Pro a few years back for personal use.  Decided to swap my office over to Mac OS X, but didn’t want to lose my investment in five good monitors, keyboards, mice, etc., so I bought all minis.  Worked very well for me - fully Mac OS X now, and happy with the setup.

Email 4: Web TV redux

Wouldn’t it be nice to connect a Mac Mini to your wireless router and your big screen HDTV and sit back in your lounger with a wireless keyboard and mouse and surf the web?

My take: Good points made by all, but these end markets still sound nichey. In any case, the Mac mini wouldn’t be my first choice as a buyer–I’m not looking to stack minis, am not a huge music collector and don’t have a bunch of monitors to spare. Thanks for the education though.

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Of course the Mac Mini is relevant, it's just overpriced
...like most of Apple's lineup. (Read the rest)
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Mac Mini ...  Ludovit | 03/03/09
Price Point!  rmcguire@... | 03/03/09
You can't even get a PC for that  sawatzky | 03/03/09
I don't know where you're living  Rubix_z | 03/04/09
This is a very specialized scenario though ...  mwagner@... | 03/03/09
very true but still to expensive  tech_walker | 03/03/09
Small form factor tax  daengbo | 03/03/09
You'll never get it...  comp_indiana | 03/04/09
Thanks  daengbo | 03/04/09
The Mini serves valuable markets  keel | 03/03/09
This is very interesting  techwriter@... | 03/03/09
But they are not marketed ...  mwagner@... | 03/03/09
Are the minis marketed..  msalzberg | 03/04/09
They're awesome as car computers as well. [nt]  olePigeon | 03/03/09
Uh, the Mac Pro is *more* expensive than before.  ye | 03/03/09
RDF?  dreslough | 03/03/09
It's same thing that caused  jaypeg | 03/03/09
Still confused about RDF  dreslough | 03/03/09
Reality Distortion Field (NT)  enduser_z | 03/03/09
Reality Distortion Field. (nt)  ye | 03/03/09
Still over a year behind in graphics, as well.  BillDem | 03/03/09
More expensive? Talk about not getting fact straight!  vulpine@... | 03/03/09
32 bit OS limits memory use  pupkin_z | 03/03/09
One small note  deowll | 03/03/09
More clueless? Talk about not getting the facts straight!  crazydanr@... | 03/03/09
Yes, lets talk about getting your facts straight.....  middle of nowhere | 03/03/09
Dude,  comp_indiana | 03/04/09
All facts I presented are correct.  ye | 03/03/09
When is the last time you opened up  alaniane@... | 03/03/09
The saying goes:  ye | 03/03/09
Depends on which version you've heard.  alaniane@... | 03/03/09
Please note that the new Mac Pro...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
Price comparison  david_craig@... | 03/07/09
A case for the mini  rag@... | 03/03/09
The steep price is the problem.  mwagner@... | 03/03/09
Cost effective? You are forgetting TCO.  8wintermute8 | 03/07/09
It is relevant to us at this time...  arkware | 03/03/09
The Mac Mini makes sense for a lot of people.  dreslough | 03/03/09
The Mini is a great little machine ....  ramillegan | 03/03/09
Ever see a stack of these?  ashbyjm@... | 03/03/09
minis aren't really tuned to be servers  Clewin | 03/05/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  sbarman | 03/03/09
Oh, apparently then this theory....  Crestview | 03/03/09
Even our old G4 mini...  arminw | 03/03/09
Rubbish  Sleeper Service | 03/03/09
Shuttle NOIZEEE  RyeCatcher | 03/03/09
So get a D10 or an X27.  Sleeper Service | 03/03/09
D10 has a fan in it  RyeCatcher | 03/06/09
As if that compares to a Mac  comp_indiana | 03/04/09
Remember When  bmore_bro69@... | 03/03/09
Um, Apple's market share went up  jaypeg | 03/03/09
In the US...  Sleeper Service | 03/03/09
RE:Um, Apple's market share went up  bmore_bro69@... | 03/03/09
It was the machine...  msalzberg | 03/03/09
Religion  mathcreative | 03/03/09
Talk to the fellow I was responding to...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
I am a Windows user who bought a Mac Mini ...  john.foggitt@... | 03/03/09
So...  tikigawd | 03/03/09
FireWire, Video, MIDI, and the Apple Store  DeusExMachina | 03/03/09
What?  lantzn | 03/03/09
john.foggitt@....MIDI...  T25 | 03/03/09
Why press 'START' to shutdown?  comp_indiana | 03/04/09
Next to my PC  RyeCatcher | 03/03/09
It converted me!  ktm0160@... | 03/03/09
The facts  frabjous | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  mg215199 | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  Aragorn_z | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  mitch@... | 03/03/09
Irrelevant  Jeremy W | 03/03/09
A question.  deowll | 03/03/09
Yes.  itguy08 | 03/03/09
Why?  Sleeper Service | 03/03/09
I use both and neither is better/worse than the other.  ye | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  Sharon Toji | 03/03/09
IMHO the Apple  GOTBO | 03/03/09
Switchers?  paferg | 03/03/09
Mid sized Tower  sawatzky | 03/03/09
True enough.  kblessinggr | 03/03/09
Agreed  sawatzky | 03/03/09
But you know you want one, right?  comp_indiana | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  dmmagic | 03/03/09
Apple is is irrelevent...  Crestview | 03/03/09
You are irrelevent...NT  raycote | 03/03/09
Apple is is relevent...  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/03/09
Way to go Apple!  rcartwrightaz | 03/03/09
Dual monitors  lantzn | 03/03/09
Why would anyone choose an Apple TV over a Mini?  mnickles | 03/03/09
Broader comparison  Theli | 03/03/09
Combine them  lantzn | 03/03/09
The Mac Mini Makes Sense  mlibrescu4 | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  gertruded | 03/03/09
Why the Mini?  Timpraetor | 03/03/09
Opinions, opinions  Theli | 03/03/09
Have you actually connected one to a monitor?  Timpraetor | 03/03/09
123  Theli | 03/03/09
I forgot one thing  Timpraetor | 03/03/09
A few thoughts  deowll | 03/03/09
Thanks for the info  RyeCatcher | 03/06/09
Netbooks with Mac OS? Yeah right  wmrfisher | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  arkstfan2 | 03/03/09
Hard drive enclosure  lantzn | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  musician88 | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  spikedstrider | 03/03/09
Is the Mini still being manufactured?  softwareFlunky | 03/03/09
Mac Mini as Windows PC Replacement  dsionkiewicz | 03/03/09
And you can even keep Windows  Timpraetor | 03/03/09
Correct.  phatkat | 03/03/09
No they aren't.  deowll | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  agreinhold | 03/03/09
YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED A MAC MINI  jdnymc | 03/03/09
Mac Mini is all I need  SouthernPott | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  mscritsm | 03/03/09
Mini as HTPC and Windows PC  sgs_z | 03/03/09
Wanna sell it?  wmrfisher | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  overoye@... | 03/03/09
Perfect for Cheapskates like me  TonyCecala | 03/03/09
MAC mini importance in educational setting  anthro | 03/03/09
Hook up the Mini to your Home-Plasma and add an EyeTV Decoder...  MaxLeopold | 03/03/09
Apple DVR  vulpine@... | 03/03/09
LOL!  RocketEater | 03/03/09
or...  doh123 | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  mwagner@... | 03/03/09
You're Kidding - right?  Timpraetor | 03/03/09
Who said anything about a Vostro?  mwagner@... | 03/03/09
cost effectiveness....  akaralia | 03/03/09
Not Kidding  julian@... | 03/06/09
Dell and Compaq's isn't the same size. [nt]  olePigeon | 03/03/09
No, it's not and if ...  mwagner@... | 03/03/09
Compared to a Shuttle, it's a great buy. [nt]  olePigeon | 03/03/09
Best of Show at MacWorld  mswift@... | 03/03/09
These end markets may not be so niche  jdnymc | 03/03/09
ZDNet = More irrelevant then the Mac Mini  3dtodd | 03/03/09
Missing the point  bclark2008 | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  richdave | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  osXCanada | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  shehzaad@... | 03/03/09
His and Hers Mac Minis...  MarkHarrison | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  crazydanr@... | 03/03/09
Mac Mini is a joke for the price  tech_walker | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  joshandrebekah | 03/03/09
Apple's got MORE CASH than Msoft, maybe they know what they are doing?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Youre commenting on the state of the company  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
if mac minis don't sell and don't fit into their strategy why sell them?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
But  gypkap@... | 03/03/09
you forgot  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
First you screw up your claim about iPods  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Oy vei  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
Then why does Apple keep selling them?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
I have this rock  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
if they're so IRRELEVANT why are you Posting SO MUCH?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Sure it does...  Sleeper Service | 03/03/09
And the competition...  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Windows  gypkap@... | 03/03/09
Threw my PCs away so I have PC experience, do you guys have Mac?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
I help my wife fix things on her Mac.  gypkap@... | 03/03/09
Well maybe in your situation  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
Threw my PCs away so I have PC experience, do you guys have Mac?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
In fact  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
They Made the PC...  akaralia | 03/03/09
Apple computers no different? Which others use unibody design  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Thanks for the stereotype, Dave!  Sleeper Service | 03/03/09
You said "it flogs overpriced underspecified hardware .."  Davewrite | 03/03/09
LOL, FAR too easy  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
comparing a 9.5lb 1.7inch hulk to a svelte 6+ pound .98 inch mac?  Davewrite | 03/03/09
That's because Apple hoards their cash. Microsoft pays it out...  ye | 03/04/09
Msoft has to pay out because shareholders screaming  Davewrite | 03/04/09
the biggest mini market  slangist | 03/03/09
For Graphics, Pick your own monitor  Davewrite | 03/03/09
today Apple wins four 2009 I.F. Gold design awards  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Another niche use: Digital Signage  drewbud87@... | 03/03/09
umm  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
That depends  macadam | 03/03/09
Mini Works for me  Canticus | 03/03/09
Minis are great for 1st time buyers  djzoey | 03/03/09
Bogus Senario....  notlehs | 03/03/09
Thank you  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
ain't that a pity?  akaralia | 03/03/09
I agree  bclark2008 | 03/04/09
Apogee Electronics...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  smecham | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
the views are yours...  akaralia | 03/03/09
Only the malusphiliacs would consider them  Beejaybee | 03/03/09
lol  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
Ok, you must be under MS's payroll...  akaralia | 03/03/09
Why all the fuss over the Mini!  keel | 03/03/09
THe question  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
I have a feeling that you do not like communism...  akaralia | 03/03/09
Cluster  lantzn | 03/03/09
Why have a PeeCee user write about new Macs?  comp_indiana | 03/03/09
Yep  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
RE:Yep  richdave | 03/03/09
Where can I  T25 | 03/03/09
For the record  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 03/03/09
where do you find that the mac sucks?  shis-ka-bob | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  rjonesthree@... | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  r4brost | 03/03/09
Reading comprehension..  msalzberg | 03/04/09
Mac Mini is not a netbook  grail@... | 03/03/09
More than a niche  Christian C Spence | 03/03/09
Ehh  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
Besides all other uses, aesthetics maybe?  akaralia | 03/03/09
Ahh  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
You must be a fun of NEED FOR SPEED UNDERGROUND...  akaralia | 03/03/09
$300 Less is not enough  melekali | 03/03/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  gnesterenko | 03/03/09
They did not...  akaralia | 03/03/09
If really irrelevant why SO MANY posting? Must be relevant to many!  Davewrite | 03/03/09
Lets Not Get Off The Subject  GlockNinja | 03/03/09
The Mac Mini is Perfect for the Living Room  jameskatt | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  akik007 | 03/04/09
Niche users???  scottseattle | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  brad.neufeld@... | 03/04/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  brad.neufeld@... | 03/04/09
Mini plugs into the extra video port on my Dell monitor  dpatjhh | 03/04/09
You guys (writers) just don't get it...  Hans Schmidt | 03/04/09
You guys (writers) just don't get it...  Hans Schmidt | 03/04/09
I love my mac mini  ubingc | 03/05/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  rchartier@... | 03/06/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  GFW_z | 03/06/09
I use my Mac Mini in the living room.  roystonlodge | 03/06/09
isn't this the same argument used at the first mini?  Hobyx | 03/06/09
Mac vs. PC  danbi | 03/07/09
RE: Apple refreshes desktop lineup: Is the Mac mini irrelevant?  8wintermute8 | 03/07/09
RE: Not Kidding..  8wintermute8 | 03/07/09
Of course the Mac Mini is relevant, it's just overpriced  james.faction | 03/22/09

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