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June 8th, 2009

The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 2:21 am

Categories: Dell, General, Hardware Infrastructure, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Microsoft, Windows 7, Windows Vista, netbooks

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, PC, Microsoft Windows XP, Netbook, PC Shipment, Tech Executive, Microsoft Windows, Desktops, Netbooks, Nettops & MIDs, Operating Systems

How long can enterprises milk their existing PCs without having to upgrade? The answer for now is: Quite awhile, perhaps forever. But technology chieftains are betting (praying?) that there’s a big PC upgrade cycle looming and the Windows 7 Oct. 22 launch will be the catalyst. 

The consensus view is that companies will have to upgrade their PCs at some point. Many of them have stretched the desktop replacement cycle perhaps as much as a year beyond the usual 3 to 3.5 year refresh rate. 

Dell CEO Michael Dell recently summed up the consensus:

I think what we are seeing certainly is a big deferral of purchases among corporations but when we talk to them, the thing I’m hearing is they are planning on a pretty big 2010 client refresh, and they are sort of planning around Windows 7. They’ve passed over Vista and they are sort of planning for that now.

I think the client installed base is getting pretty old in these companies and I think there will be quite a powerful cycle of upgrades in the client environment. 

That said this PC upgrade cycle may be different this time. Virtualization will be in. ROI will be in. Hoteling and maybe even thin clients will get play. And the other entrant that could really disrupt the PC upgrade cycle. Nettops, the cousin of the netbook. Here’s Intel CEO Paul Otellini from the chipmaker’s investor powwow:

“The old boring desktop is about dead,” said Otellini. “(But) there’s an 800 million unit installed base and 45 percent of them are more than three years.” Otellini noted that there is an evolution in design on the desktop, pointing out HP’s touch screen design. Also Atom powered desktops are a growth market. 

“Nettops are the under recognized cousin of netbooks,” said Otellini, who indicated that these nettops could replace desktops. The game isn’t to reinvent the desktop, but “milk” the 800 million installed base.

The big question is whether Windows 7 serves as a catalyst for the PC upgrade cycle. There are millions of long-in-the-tooth corporate desktops. And if those desktops get replaced with nettops it’s not clear whether Windows 7 is the winner. 

Mary Jo Foley writes:

Microsoft has demonstrated that test builds of even its heftiest (and priciest) Windows 7 SKUs can run on netbooks. But here’s the rub: PC makers are expected to choose Windows 7 Starter Edition or possibly Windows 7 Home Premium to preload on new netbooks because those SKUs will be the cheapest. Microsoft recently removed its three-concurrent-application restriction on Windows 7 Starter Edition, but that low-end version is still missing a number of features that Microsoft is touting as Windows 7 selling points.

Also see: Will the Windows 7 price be right?

The other wild-card here is the economy. If the economic picture doesn’t improve companies may just try to milk their PCs a little longer.

Deutsche Bank analyst Chris Whitmore writes in a recent research note:

The reluctance of Corporates to migrate to Vista (~75% of install base on XP or older) suggests the PC installed base is quite old and will require an upgrade to effectively run Win 7 (despite its modest system requirements). In the interim, we expect users to extend the useful lives of PCs for as long as possible and generally opt for lower end configurations (‘good enough’) and netbooks (XP).

According to Whitmore an improving economy will make his 2010 PC unit growth estimates conservative. If not, XP will make do again. 

In any case, there’s a huge gap between the installed base vs. PC shipments that at some point will close. This installed base vs. PC shipments is largely attributed to Vista. Enterprises have largely held out from Vista and plan the XP to Windows 7 jump. The good news: XP has allowed companies to squeeze more out of their machines. The bad news: Eventually, these companies will need a new OS and the PCs riding shotgun. 

Whitmore says:

We expect the magnitude of PC demand following the release of Win 7 to be contingent on macro improvement, particularly among corporates who historically have been slower than consumers to adopt new technology due to extensive testing before rollout. Further, current IT budgets are still under pressure and we expect corporates to extend the useful life of currently installed PCs for as long as possible.

The charts tell the tale. According to Gartner data, the consumer has adopted Vista at a faster rate than the enterprise. That blue bar below indicates the potential XP to Windows 7 pool.

If that crowd jumps from XP to Windows 7 the Windows operating system mix should look like this:

However, a lot can go wrong—especially on the economic front. Tech executives are hoping that the industry doesn’t find out just how long you can stretch a Windows XP desktop.

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Right--all correct. But this is nothing more than rotten shoddy design.

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Including home and office PCs ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
Two versions back  Palmetto | 06/08/09
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Software should not dictate core hardware upgrades.  fr0thy2 | 06/08/09
Slight Misinformation  lmenningen | 06/08/09
problem with that  tmsbrdrs | 06/08/09
Right! PCs are no longer experimental--Hardware should last indefinitely.  Irritated_User | 06/08/09
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Windows 7 is essentially 'subscription software' introduced by stealth.  Irritated_User | 07/15/09
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forced?  springerj | 06/08/09
No one forced you to buy that PC  Palmetto | 06/09/09
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RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  pauleyco | 06/08/09
Fine but one thing you need to know about Apple...  deowll | 06/08/09
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Maybe only the next four years?  jvin248 | 06/09/09
Well it's obvious...  Jkirk3279 | 06/09/09
Why not go with Ubuntu?  tmsbrdrs | 06/08/09
Parrallel Systems  rtb | 06/08/09
I agree about Ubuntu  skris88@... | 06/09/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  gertruded | 06/08/09
no compelling reason is right  rosanlo | 06/08/09
This and other comment like...  windozefreak | 06/08/09
and crippled...  Dave32265 | 06/08/09
There may be people with XP problems.  Palmetto | 06/08/09
There may be people with XP problems  UAC nanny screen | 06/08/09
Yes, and in addition most complaints aren't OS related.  D. W. Bierbaum | 06/08/09
Are there less complaints about XP than Vista  High Altitude | 06/08/09
Vista and Windows 7 don't magially solve problems.  ye | 06/08/09
WHAT! I'M SHOCKED!  UAC nanny screen | 06/08/09
Really? I want my money then.  nizuse | 06/08/09
You shouldn't have bought a computer with an OS you didn't want.  ye | 06/08/09
Legally, of course not. Morally, for sure.  nizuse | 06/08/09
You ain't the only one  UAC nanny screen | 06/08/09
'Cripples', 'crap', 'disgusting'  Palmetto | 06/09/09
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RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  CobraA1 | 06/08/09
local computing power  gertruded | 06/08/09
Expensive Paperweights  Scubajrr | 06/08/09
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Net books are..  boweb | 06/08/09
Clouds are fine if ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
Forget the three year replacement cycle.  Palmetto | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  Loverock Davidson | 06/08/09
Wha'chu ta'kin' 'bout, Willis?  Palmetto | 06/08/09
Security.  ye | 06/08/09
I've never had a security problem with Windows.  Palmetto | 06/08/09
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support for XP apps  waynearcelectcom | 06/08/09
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if I'm not using those improvements,  Palmetto | 06/08/09
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old hardware and software  waynearcelectcom | 06/08/09
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One follows the other  Loverock Davidson | 06/08/09
Saving money versus making money  steve.rentageek@... | 06/08/09
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Difference between replacing dead machines and old ones  Palmetto | 06/08/09
There is a need  Loverock Davidson | 06/08/09
Remedial reading comprehension  Economister | 06/08/09
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Circular argument  Palmetto | 06/08/09
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On the loose again!  stillgolfing | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  janeadct@... | 06/08/09
Same here, home use.  Economister | 06/08/09
Fine. As long as your XP systems ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  SmurfDaddy | 06/08/09
LOL ...  Dave32265 | 06/08/09
11 million players is a lot but ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
MS Office...  Dave32265 | 06/08/09
Nothing ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
Even in gaming,  Palmetto | 06/08/09
Agreed. That or ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
I think they will, because the new pc's just coming out  pcguy777 | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  d7dot@... | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  jsjag | 06/08/09
Tech executives....  Jeremy W | 06/08/09
Yeah, you keep crying about that....  James T. Kirk | 06/08/09
Others have made a better point.  deowll | 06/08/09
Market Evolution  Jkirk3279 | 06/09/09
Upgrade for office use?  ca1ic0cat | 06/08/09
Update to Win 7 Just To Keep Current  lmenningen | 06/08/09
I respect your right to do that, but for me.....  Economister | 06/08/09
I'll do that at home under certain circumstances  Palmetto | 06/08/09
Exactly!  Irritated_User | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  wwgorman | 06/08/09
MS lost...  Dave32265 | 06/08/09
Apple isn't a great deal...  boweb | 06/08/09
milk their existing PCs  Jaytmoon | 06/08/09
If I've got a PC built in the last 4 years,  Palmetto | 06/08/09
given the year more than likely win7 will get a slow start  ffchang@... | 06/08/09
and that isn't even because the OS has problems.  deowll | 06/08/09
The enterprise user is not the home user ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  gertruded | 06/08/09
Honestly XP is Just So Capable  cgarrett | 06/08/09
"Honestly XP is Just So Capable"  tech_walker | 06/08/09
You must be......  Economister | 06/08/09
hopelessly clueless  tech_walker | 06/08/09
Well, my apologies, but...  Economister | 06/08/09
You are correct, kind of ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
Beg to differ  thx-1138_@... | 06/09/09
No Compelling Reason  wwgorman | 06/08/09
You expereince is not about Vista or ...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  fitfix | 06/08/09
I agree with you...  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
You're not the only one  NStalnecker | 06/08/09
Logical fallacies  Economister | 06/08/09
Many of the original problem weren't with Vista itself  Palmetto | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  ramnet@... | 06/08/09
No Clear Cut Reasons to change  wwgorman | 06/08/09
Is it for preferential reasons?  joe.smetona@... | 06/08/09
Some clarity is needed  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  mlibrescu4 | 06/08/09
Hmmm. Questions  Barnsey123 | 06/08/09
Every change requires us to learn something  mwagner@... | 06/08/09
No. Win7 Will Not Spark Upgrades  bgavin | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  miles.morris@... | 06/08/09
Yes and No.  Nikolayev | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  Nikolayev | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  Try2Ketchup | 06/08/09
Not bad.  Palmetto | 06/08/09
LOL happy (nt)  Economister | 06/08/09
Keep your techology up to date, don't wither  dtroyerSMU | 06/08/09
No, one acronym: ROI (nt)  Economister | 06/08/09
Elephant in the room -- Linux  bbaston@... | 06/08/09
What are the specs?  Economister | 06/08/09
Ah, Linux, is it really the answer?  dtroyerSMU | 06/08/09
"Linux, is it really the answer?"  Dave32265 | 06/08/09
ok, there are some positives....but..  dtroyerSMU | 06/08/09
Yup  Dave32265 | 06/08/09
I don't find it hard to maintain.  joe.smetona@... | 06/08/09
Great, good to see there is intelligence  dtroyerSMU | 06/09/09
Interesting...  Dave32265 | 06/09/09
Re:Drivers for 2 year old motherboard.  joe.smetona@... | 06/09/09
Only one small problem  deowll | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  Try2Ketchup | 06/08/09
"Senator, are you still beating your wife?"  Palmetto | 06/08/09
Typical....LD exposed and... deleted  nizuse | 06/08/09
Wow, I thought they would hire somebody a bit smarter (nt)  Economister | 06/08/09
Ditto  Palmetto | 06/08/09
Interesting that ......  Economister | 06/08/09
ORLY?  Loverock Davidson | 06/08/09
No worries LD  nizuse | 06/08/09
They probably generated it on an older system  Palmetto | 06/08/09
Back in the dark ages  Paull90 | 06/08/09
The opposite  nizuse | 06/08/09
I disagree  NStalnecker | 06/08/09
But of course you disagree  nizuse | 06/08/09
Nope  NStalnecker | 06/08/09
Then I stand corrected.  nizuse | 06/08/09
Unnecessary purchases.  Palmetto | 06/08/09
OK, send me. . . .  fvm | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  chromeronin | 06/08/09
That was more or less what I was thinking.  deowll | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  erniem1970@... | 06/08/09
Mmmmh! Kool-aid!  Palmetto | 06/09/09
can you link to the Gartner data? I find the charts very hard to beleive  stevey_d | 06/08/09
my estimate is that vista is on 12% of computers out there  stevey_d | 06/08/09
F@#$$ Windows - menu system to run work apps?  FreeusfromMS | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  SWtester | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  Insight Driver | 06/08/09
Why replace one turd with another?  mikifinaz1@... | 06/08/09
Why replace one turd with another?  Graham Ellison | 06/08/09
Yes, old PC replacement. But not with a new Win7 PC.  daniel.pereznet | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  lkujala | 06/08/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  ramnet@... | 06/08/09
Keep dreaming!  Kostaghus | 06/09/09
Moore's law is dead  erikswanson | 06/09/09
Huh?  Graham Ellison | 06/09/09
Its the old story: dont fix it until broke  dtroyerSMU | 06/09/09
No  thx-1138_@... | 06/09/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  MichaelSM | 06/09/09
O/S issues have not slowed our replacement cycle  RedM3 | 06/09/09
The PC replacement Cycle  jvin248 | 06/09/09
There is a big difference this time around  don3605 | 06/09/09
Miscrosoft is such a large company...  joe.smetona@... | 06/10/09
Everything Wares Out  ceh4702 | 06/10/09
Speaking of things that 'wear out'...  thx-1138_@... | 06/10/09
That has not been my experience.  bernalillo | 06/12/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  outpastpluto | 06/12/09
I am so glad I bought Vista!  bernalillo | 06/12/09
get with it  billw1234 | 06/15/09
Regular PC price decline as around $40 a month  Nikolayev | 06/23/09
Windows 7 won't change anything.  Reality Bites | 06/25/09
RE: The PC replacement cycle: Will Windows 7 light the fuse?  PlayFair | 06/29/09

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