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June 19th, 2009

RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money

Posted by Sam Diaz @ 7:21 am

Categories: Digital Media, General, Legal, RIAA

Tags: Judgment, RIAA, Internet, Productivity, Digital Media, Consumer Electronics, Personal Technology, Sam Diaz

The Recording Industry Association of America won a big one yesterday - a $1.92 million judgment against a woman charged with copyright infringement. But you won’t hear champagne bottles popping open in Hollywood.

Is anyone really a winner here? Does the RIAA expect to see a single nickel of the judgment for copyright infringement? Does anyone think that such a judgment will turn back the hands of time and send music lovers back to CDs from Tower Records?

Also see: Wow! Jury verdict in Capitol v Thomas-Rasset: $2 million

The buzz this morning is that the judgment - which amounted to $80,000 for each of the 24 songs that the woman was accused of sharing over the Internet - is excessive. And, on the surface, it looks like the woman, named Jammie Thomas-Rasset, is nothing more than a victim of an overzealous recording industry looking to make an example of a music downloader.

After all, that’s what this is about, right? The recording industry is sending a message about the willful and unlawful sharing of copyrighted music, a message that’s likely cost far more than $1.92 million in legal fees over the years.

It may have been a message that was meant to resonate with everyday folks who are using their home computers to share music over the Internet. But Thomas-Rasset isn’t your ordinary victim here either. Her case was reportedly full of holes and, in recent days, information surfaced to suggest that she was being less the truthful about her innocence, including revelations that she had her computer hard drive replaced. Some have even suggested that the large judgment was imposed by the jury because they suspected that Thomas-Rasset had lied during the court proceedings.

According to a post on Ars Technica, the woman gasped aloud in court when the judgment was read but later said of the settlement money: “Good luck trying to get it from me… it’s like squeezing blood from a turnip.”

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RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money
The real ridiculous part of it all... is that these companies continue to try to extend copyright for eternity. Copyrights were meant to expire but now they last decades. Films and Music should at som... (Read the rest)
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RIAA is a dangerous criminal organization  enedene | 06/19/09
When you unlawfully duplicate music for redistribution  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
you must have been in the jury  enedene | 06/19/09
It was approimately 1700 songs. They only pursued her for 24. (nt)  ye | 06/19/09
Oh, I'm sorry then...  enedene | 06/19/09
she did it to herself...  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
"We are a nation of laws. Don't want to destroy  Kaptah | 06/19/09
So what?  AbsolutelyNot | 06/19/09
= $136,000,000  fr0thy2 | 06/22/09
Crime shouldn't pay the criminal should!  djalan | 06/19/09
The gov't will pay ultimately.  adelacuesta | 06/19/09
Seriously?  AbsolutelyNot | 06/19/09
Not going to have a meaningful  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
"Not going to have a meaningful"  Kaptah | 06/19/09
If it was a jury of her peers...  AttackComputerWhiz | 06/19/09
No, you hurt the rest of us  fr0thy2 | 06/22/09
She got what she deserved, did she?  RealAusTech | 06/22/09
$1000 Per Song  Big Wing | 06/23/09
Are you insane?  PcJunkie | 06/24/09
Wrong and Wrong  User07734 | 06/19/09
The Law. No loop hole here.  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
funny  enedene | 06/19/09
re: "funny"  Kaptah | 06/19/09
Theft versus Sandwiches  Big Wing | 06/23/09
Well, you are right  Ashtonian | 06/19/09
Consider this though...  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
re:Consider this though...  Kaptah | 06/19/09
Dickens  Barc777 | 06/19/09
The Law. No loop hole here.  Kaptah | 06/19/09
Careful Here - Law And Justice Are Two Very Separate Things  Cardhu | 06/22/09
The issue is not peer to peer.  RealAusTech | 06/22/09
Copyright Laws R.I.P.  Geotopia | 06/22/09
And no you cannot give a copy of a CD to a friend  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
You cannot burn a CD or create MP3 files  gschultz | 06/19/09
You cannot burn a CD or create MP3 files  bwchato | 06/19/09
Hmm..butSony sells ripping CDs software and hardware!!  news_reader | 06/21/09
You better go read some more  AbsolutelyNot | 06/19/09
from the link (bullet point number 4)  the_fiddler_on_the_roof | 06/19/09
This Is Not Correct  Cardhu | 06/19/09
This Is Not Correct  bwchato | 06/19/09
Read My Post For Comprehension  Cardhu | 06/22/09
I agree with you assement  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
Link to Audio Home Recoding Act  SpikeyMike | 06/24/09
This law is nuts  Mercutio_Viz | 06/19/09
This law is nuts  bwchato | 06/19/09
Then there are millions of criminals  jsjag | 06/19/09
When you unlawfully duplicate music for redistribution  Kaptah | 06/19/09
Corrections  Big Wing | 06/23/09
you are 100% WRONG!  pinngwinn@... | 06/19/09
Oh, PULEEZE!!!  AbsolutelyNot | 06/19/09
love your posts!  jedikitty@... | 06/20/09
And Their Cut  Cardhu | 06/22/09
Color of law to induce fear!  Altotus | 06/19/09
Thats about right...  gvtooker@... | 06/19/09
RIAA Loss by this outrage  Altotus | 06/21/09
80,000 per song  Devonmcnulty@... | 06/19/09
RIAA's $2K000 victory  hwgray | 06/20/09
1M92$  Mahegan | 06/20/09
The truth is in the middle.  HypnoToad72 | 06/21/09
New line of work  hrwaller | 06/21/09
Taking advantage of "fair use" can be a criminal offense  rdhalsteatzd | 06/22/09
When you unlawfully duplicate music for redistribution  jackfred | 06/24/09
As the former Streaming Media Manager for Stanford's radio station ...  TSGlassey | 06/19/09
Lawyers have no morals.  govmtman | 06/19/09
RIAA how to deal with them!  koolarry@... | 06/19/09
Re: RIAA is a dangerous criminal organization  kennapier812 | 06/19/09
I'd like to meet the IP creator...  AttackComputerWhiz | 06/19/09
RIAA...  perversion2003@... | 06/20/09
The Actual Meaning of "Recover" For The RIAA  Cardhu | 06/22/09
once upon a time in a certain country...  the_fiddler_on_the_roof | 06/19/09
I do not know if she lied or not  BroGnorik | 06/19/09
You also have to consider legal fees.  xXSpeedzXx | 06/19/09
No it's not reasonable  enedene | 06/19/09
Reap What We Sow  preacherx | 06/19/09
If you bought a song  BroGnorik | 06/19/09
Digital has no tangible value  AbsolutelyNot | 06/19/09
Thats a problem  Cayble | 06/19/09
your logic is flawed  nickdangerthirdi@... | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  condelirios | 06/19/09
I pay for ALL my music, but .....  kd5auq | 06/19/09
RIAA = Sony, EMI, Warner, Universal = boycott  BillDem | 06/19/09
And I guess Pirate Bay guys are your heroes too?  artplus@... | 06/19/09
pitty...  enedene | 06/19/09
And I guess Pirate Bay guys are your heroes too?  Indypost | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  sderf@... | 06/19/09
I will never...  PcJunkie | 06/19/09
hmmm  enedene | 06/19/09
Maybe  PcJunkie | 06/24/09
Communists?  lehnerus2000 | 06/24/09
I will never...  bwchato | 06/19/09
Maybe bust your door down...  artplus@... | 06/19/09
RE:Maybe bust your door down...  richdave | 06/19/09
Maybe bust your door down.  bwchato | 06/19/09
Digital Rights Mafia win major court victory  bblackmoor@... | 06/19/09
when ordinary people do something  enedene | 06/19/09
yep, the JURY did this, but  jedikitty@... | 06/21/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  NeutralityNow | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Starman35 | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  lshoff | 06/19/09
You lost your music?  seattlereign67 | 06/19/09
Thanks!  lshoff | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  rmmccoy | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  tesseractedp | 06/19/09
so are we saying...  ViRaL1 | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Indypost | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  prasanna@... | 06/19/09
I have no respect for copyright law because it has no respect for me!  dddienst@... | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  david@... | 06/19/09
It's just like insurance companies...  FatherJ | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  johnpills | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  jeremy@... | 06/19/09
Theeze eeze true  Ole Man | 06/22/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Henk de Boer | 06/19/09
I don't bother buying their music any more any way  ca1ic0cat | 06/19/09
Agreed - Music market is changing  dtroyerSMU | 06/19/09
agree  enedene | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  djalan | 06/19/09
The penalty must fit the crime.  terry@... | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  deuxglass | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Rocker452 | 06/19/09
What about this poor womans life?  Altotus | 06/19/09
Free Choice  Big Wing | 06/23/09
You  PcJunkie | 06/24/09
Death to the RIAA  chessmen | 06/19/09
I agree 110%!!!  PcJunkie | 06/24/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  jwschull@... | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  indevoter | 06/19/09
Actual losses are microscopic  angelsix | 06/19/09
Punishment should fit the crime  rjcarlson49 | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  kennapier812 | 06/19/09
ASCAP got it right the first time  doctordawg | 06/19/09
fine and dandy but  jedikitty@... | 06/21/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  jkermon@... | 06/19/09
The Message Is Stop Buying Cd's  chessmen | 06/19/09
We are NOT a nation of laws  Sodbuster41 | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Sodbuster41 | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Sodbuster41 | 06/19/09
[links] Problems with current copyright law:  Sneech | 06/19/09
They are as bad as ASCAP  etimer@... | 06/19/09
WHAT ABOUT USED CD'S  GASGTO73@... | 06/19/09
Not yet  AttackComputerWhiz | 06/19/09
Open mic nights  AttackComputerWhiz | 06/19/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  tao372 | 06/19/09
What you get when you buy a CD  Griffard | 06/19/09
Might as well be hunting leprechauns  e_caroline@... | 06/20/09
Boycott all Music for RIAA Labels  daniel.herpst@... | 06/20/09
Could you help us by naming the labels?  e_caroline@... | 06/20/09
Gasp!  Big Wing | 06/23/09
The laws used by the RIAA need to be removed  Narg | 06/20/09
Almost right  Altotus | 06/21/09
$2 million dollars for a speeding ticket  rdupuy11 | 06/20/09
If they are more interested in the message than the money  {DvT}Hex | 06/20/09
The law can be changed in a democracy, can't it?  Mahegan | 06/20/09
"...democracy is dead."  lehnerus2000 | 06/24/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  olen79760 | 06/20/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  NCWeber | 06/21/09
I will never again buy music from these mobsters  kraterz | 06/21/09
Message this, RIAA/MPAA/Hollywood Mafia  terry flores | 06/21/09
Wise up  binarydarkstar | 06/22/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  t0cableguy@... | 06/23/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  t0cableguy@... | 06/23/09
Music is dead  MacKeyser | 06/23/09
Ditto!  Ole Man | 06/23/09
A bit of Balance  Big Wing | 06/23/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  Zolar | 06/24/09
RE: RIAA's $1.92 million victory: more about message, less about money  mcp123 | 10/13/09

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