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July 30th, 2009

Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 9:46 am

Categories: Apple, General, Microsoft

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Steve Ballmer, Apple Inc., Hardware, Microsoft Windows 7, Larry Dignan

So what does Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer do when he faces a room of press and financial analysts toting a bunch of Macs. He counts Apple logos.

The man knows when you’re using a Mac. He knows when your Vista PC is awake. It’s unclear if Ballmer knows if you’ve been bad or good, but you get the idea.

During his talk about search, netbooks, Windows 7 and the business climate, Ballmer took a detour into Apple-ville and how Microsoft tracks share versus Apple.

Also see: Wall Street analysts descend on Redmond for annual financial meeting

Ballmer on the Microsoft-Yahoo deal: ‘Nobody gets it’

Roll the transcript:

We have low share, by the way, in the investor audience. I can see the Apple logos versus the PC logos. So we have more work to do, more work to do. Our share is lower in this audience than the average audience. Don’t hide it. I’ve already counted them. I have been doing that since we started talking.

Anyway, we got a bank them right here in the middle. I know where they all are. One over here on the side. But anyway… that’s okay, feel free as long as you are using Office to go right on ahead.

Ballmer acknowledged that he keeps tabs on Apple share, but notes his company takes a different approach to the market. Ballmer said:

We do not, say, like Apple, believe in low volume, very high prices, very — Apple is a great company. Does a fine job. But their model says high margin, high quality, high price. That’s kind of how they come to market.  We say we want big market share but with big market share you take a lower price.

Ballmer also noted that Apple’s argument comes down to its hardware, which is just snazzier. That’s a gap Microsoft intends to close.

The primary attack that comes from Apple is, hey, at the end of the day, we have the coolest hardware. When you see the hardware, the PC design that is am come out this Christmas with Windows 7, I think that conventional wisdom can begin to really change. There is some really amazing, amazing work. So it is possible to get great hardware innovation, even when hardware and software comes from separate companies.

What’s really telling is that Microsoft has so many things going on inside the company yet it is focused on share vs. the much smaller Apple.

Larry DignanLarry Dignan is Editor in Chief of ZDNet and Smart Planet as well as Editorial Director of ZDNet sister site TechRepublic. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Makes me..  TylerM89 | 07/30/09
huh huh  apostate | 07/30/09
Funny guy  TylerM89 | 07/30/09
Zune on Vista since 2007  CrashPad | 07/30/09
The meeting probably wouldn't get started for a while  Linux User 147560 | 07/30/09
Oh, Good one LU. And if they walked in with Linux Machines....  xuniL_z | 07/30/09
Do not tell my wife that  GuidingLight | 07/30/09
Really??  endorphine44 | 07/30/09
My Zune works great with Windows 7  NonZealot | 07/30/09
I would imagine...  Sleeper Service | 07/30/09
Now you're assuming he can find his own rear end!  de-void | 07/30/09
Define "not free"  mgp3 | 07/30/09
I took it as not free as in "busy".
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 xuniL_z | 07/30/09
Don't you guys have a sense of humor?  jgpeters | 07/31/09
er..... ummmm, it wasn't a Windows meeting.  awasson@... | 07/31/09
What he really said ...  linux4u | 07/30/09
True...  MSFTWorshipper | 07/30/09
Because..  TylerM89 | 07/30/09
LMFAO  CrashPad | 07/30/09
Apple Makes Computers?  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Lamborghini? Sounds like just another car to me -tool n/t  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Wow, wrong.  Spiritusindomit@... | 07/31/09
So why do they have the best reliability scores?  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Probably because it's a unreliable survey  rtk | 07/31/09
Lies, damn lies, and statistics!  NonZealot | 07/31/09
Nice circular logic you two  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Hmmm  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Steve Jobs handpicks panels from Samsung  NonZealot | 07/31/09
Funny!  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Footprints?  mja@... | 07/31/09
mja, you can't be serious...  xuniL_z | 07/31/09
Duh?  rickbarretttx | 08/01/09
Amazing How Low The Average IQ Of A FanBoy Is  Steve@... | 07/30/09
Yes, only about 50 points higher than yours  jgpeters | 07/31/09
All I'm gonna say to this  athynz | 07/31/09
Agree and Disagree  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Well said!  914four | 08/04/09
You Win!  john_gillespie@... | 07/31/09
Are you serious, or just acting foolish?  macmikey | 07/31/09
Doesn't say much about your IQ...  busterx66 | 07/31/09
Other than that  rickbarretttx | 08/01/09
Go and build one...  Graeme Woller | 08/02/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  DannyO_0x98 | 07/30/09
What you don't understand is that to get to Plan A.....  xuniL_z | 07/30/09
Agreed.  Graeme Woller | 08/02/09
Interesting what he hinted about  honeymonster | 07/30/09
Don't worry about Apple  prof123 | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  Loverock Davidson | 07/30/09
I sometimes wonder if he knows where technolgy is going...  maskman01 | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  jdate@... | 07/30/09
quality of the OS?  stevejg61 | 07/30/09
Any hardware?  Graeme Woller | 08/02/09
Quality but severly limited  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Quality...  prof123 | 07/30/09
And are suckers for doing so  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Ummm...  Graeme Woller | 08/02/09
Quality Choice Usability.  Barloe | 07/30/09
If you're so happy....  kaninelupus | 07/31/09
What makes this a "windows" blog?  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Gee Where do I begin  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong or missing the  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Every Week  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Its a great selling point for the Mac....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Wow Jim, with a 3% global marketshare, you might want...  xuniL_z | 07/31/09
@xuniL_z  bobiroc | 08/01/09
Quality  Genovelle | 07/31/09
Quality 2  Genovelle | 07/31/09
He is afraid of seeing Mac's ever since the egg incident  Zoli Erdos | 07/30/09
I'm still trying to figure out  frgough | 07/30/09
bingo  someitguy79 | 07/30/09
It also goes the other way  NonZealot | 07/30/09
But then they would just have an over priced PC  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Don't need a windows license to put Windows on a Mac:P  James Quinn | 07/30/09
You are a disgusting thief  NonZealot | 07/30/09
ITs sad  bobiroc | 07/30/09
I hold myself in good company.....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Lookie Here  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Just because someone says its do does not make it so:P  James Quinn | 07/31/09
True nuff, Jimbo.  xuniL_z | 07/31/09
Then you're fine with clones running OSX?  Pliny the Elder | 08/01/09
Iraq, Oil...  Graeme Woller | 08/02/09
I agree.  rynning | 07/31/09
Thank you  NonZealot | 07/31/09
I'm afraid you've been played  jgpeters | 07/31/09
Ballmer doesn't understand his own market  HollywoodDog | 07/30/09
People use Windows when they have a choice.  Sleeper Service | 07/30/09
I say give people choice. Instead of using win32apis  stevey_d | 07/30/09
People use Windows when they don't know they have a choice  Ole Man | 08/02/09
Choice?  TylerM89 | 07/30/09
What Choice?  itguy08 | 07/30/09
Here you go!  de-void | 07/30/09
Wow, you have reached a new height of ignorance.  Captiosus | 07/30/09
I'm Sorry  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Yes... yes you are.  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Apply what you said to Mac  NonZealot | 07/30/09
One small correction  rtk | 07/30/09
But I ask.....  xuniL_z | 07/30/09
Sort of like putting a good cream cheese frosting on  James Quinn | 07/30/09
I won't argue.  xuniL_z | 07/31/09
For a person named "NonZealot"  Captiosus | 07/30/09
Obviously you don't  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Depends on what angle you are looking at....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
You call that choice  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Good well define good.....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
I use Windows and I have a choice  NonZealot | 07/30/09
I have a choice and I use ...  dkawalec | 07/30/09
Exactly  TylerM89 | 07/30/09
Agreed!  maskman01 | 07/30/09
"Why choose one thing, when you can have everything instead?"  de-void | 07/30/09
Windows is "just fine" because  Captiosus | 07/30/09
False accusation with no evidence.  Dealing | 07/30/09
Microsoft threatened Dell?  bobiroc | 07/30/09
For the most part you just listed why I use the Mac over Windows:P  James Quinn | 07/31/09
I'm currently using OS X  gertruded | 07/30/09
The truth about Apple  rtk | 07/30/09
I use OS X too  bobiroc | 07/30/09
That seems to be a personal issue not a limitation of  James Quinn | 07/30/09
My Point is  bobiroc | 07/30/09
Not totally true.  trance2tec | 07/30/09
And they call the Macintosh a niche product..:)  James Quinn | 07/30/09
@Trance2tec  bobiroc | 07/30/09
@ Mr. Quinn  bobiroc | 07/30/09
And so you say....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Software included with a PC @ Mr. Quinn  bobiroc | 07/31/09
And so you still say....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
@ James Quinn  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Oops missed it... My reply is at the bottom.  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Ballmer forgot to cont Linux laptops  Linux Geek | 07/30/09
(nt)He probably didn't see the point of counting to zero.  toadlife | 07/30/09
Actually he could count the Linux laptops  GuidingLight | 07/30/09
Maybe...  TylerM89 | 07/30/09
(nt)He probably didn't see the point of counting to zero  toadlife | 07/30/09
I will use his logic:  vanax | 07/30/09
You may want to take a formal logic class.  trance2tec | 07/30/09
Balmer's Sweat Smells  poorfish1 | 07/30/09
Your argument makes no sense  tgarrison | 07/30/09
Microsoft means HIGHER prices  dogbreath1 | 07/30/09
Wow  bobiroc | 07/31/09
True.  Graeme Woller | 08/02/09
I want what I want. If it costs 5 grand, fine. If it costs $299 fine.  HollywoodDog | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  gilgamesh21 | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  Hakalau Tom | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  Hakalau Tom | 07/30/09
Ballmer = salesman. You put salesman in charge in secure, good times  HollywoodDog | 07/30/09
Completely agreed.  Captiosus | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  ZDnet Reader 43 | 07/30/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  ZDnet Reader 43 | 07/30/09
I think that's why the Zune looks so much like an iPod:P  James Quinn | 07/30/09
Its really kind of sad when you stop and think about it.  James Quinn | 07/30/09
Ballmer just doesn't get it...  ruel24 | 07/31/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  aplman | 07/31/09
Apple's Hardware?  bobiroc | 07/31/09
And yet...  ruel24 | 07/31/09
I Do own a Mac  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Again with the unverifiable claims..sigh.  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Can You?  bobiroc | 07/31/09
I'm not make the claims here you are...  James Quinn | 07/31/09
By the way....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Re: By The Way  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Oh I think you are missing some facts here....  James Quinn | 07/31/09
Jim...  Rick_K | 07/31/09
@Rick K  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Seriously  Rick_K | 07/31/09
@ Rich K  bobiroc | 08/01/09
And yet, I don't!  ruel24 | 07/31/09
History by boy... history.  James Quinn | 07/31/09
History?  bobiroc | 07/31/09
Re History  Brich | 07/31/09
So your telling me I should upgrade  bobiroc | 08/01/09
I could on about the Pippen and many other  xuniL_z | 07/31/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  dcolbert@... | 07/31/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  garybau | 07/31/09
Should be more choices - we're brainwashed...  cwkoller2@... | 08/01/09
RE: Ballmer: He knows when you're using a Mac  granvillea | 08/03/09

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