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August 11th, 2009

Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC

Posted by Sam Diaz @ 12:18 pm

Categories: Apple, Economy, General, Microsoft, Personal Technology, Retail

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Apple Inc., Machine, Microsoft Windows, Desktops, Operating Systems, Software, Hardware, Sam Diaz

Market research firm NPD Group said today that 44 percent of consumers will spend less this back-to-school season. And electronics, despite falling below school supplies and clothing on the priority list, still ranks high on the chart as consumers go cheap and start looking for bargains to keep costs down.

Count me in as part of Club Cheapo. We spent the weekend at the mall, Target, Staples and a handful of other stores as we try to get the kids - who are heading into the 8th and 6th grades - ready for school. All along, we were watching pennies and forcing ourselves to differentiate between what we need and what we want.

Value, according to the research, is the top reason that drives a consumer purchase this season, ranking higher than a school requirement.

As for my household, we made some tough decisions, too. The kids needed shoes and some new clothes - at their ages, they grow pretty fast. We also picked up some basic school supplies - binders, notebooks and such. One of my kids opted to keep last year’s backpack and another was cool with wearing last year’s gym clothes - they’re faded but still in good shape.

OK, but what kind of techie would I be if I didn’t make some sort of electronics purchase this season?

The Mac laptop the rest of the family had been using (not being allowed to use Dad’s work-issued machine) has been on its last legs for some time and finally suffered a setback. Now, I could have dropped a couple of hundred bucks into bringing new life back into an old machine but I really didn’t want to go that route. (Plus, it’s an older PowerPC-chip model so we’re pretty much maxxing out any possible upgrades.)

Luckily, here in Silicon Valley, there’s a Mac warehouse store (called Mac-Pro) that sells refurbished machines that have been traded-in. The machine we bought was last year’s model but had been upgraded with some extra memory and the most recent software (OS X and iLife). And, the store is willing to buy my old laptop (for a ridiculously low dollar amount) if I decide against trying to upgrade it.

In the end, we saved hundreds of dollars compared to a new machine purchased in an Apple store (and potentially more if I go the trade-in route.) Granted, I didn’t get my free iPod Touch with the purchase of a new iMac from Apple - but we weren’t necessarily looking to buy an iPod Touch either. And while we could have stashed it away to give one of the kids for Christmas, it just felt like we’d be spending money today that we really didn’t want to spend.

During a financial analyst’s meeting in Redmond last month, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer talked about value and the comparison of Windows machines to Macs. He said:

We do not, say, like Apple, believe in low volume, very high prices, very — Apple is a great company. Does a fine job. But their model says high margin, high quality, high price. That’s kind of how they come to market.  We say we want big market share but with big market share you take a lower price.

Funny how Ballmer talked about “high margin, high quality, high price” when it relates to Apple’s products - with my own emphasis on the “high quality” part. But when he talked about Microsoft, he talked about big market share and lower prices. No mention of quality from Ballmer there.

When it comes to value, quality has to be one of the factors. Sure, I could have paid $700 for a Windows laptop like Lauren did in the Microsoft commercial (you’ll recall that her first stop was an Apple store) but, for me, that wouldn’t have been a good value purchase. Maybe if Windows 7 had been released in time for back-to-school, I might have considered it - but it wasn’t.

So instead, I opted to pay the premium price for a machine that doesn’t crash, doesn’t come to a crawl with multiple programs open and doesn’t just randomly disconnect from the WiFi network. And I’m feeling like a got a great deal.

But that’s just me.

Sam Diaz

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What was this blog about?  NonZealot | 08/11/09
Not only FUD but..  eqpc | 08/11/09
It was about how the author thought a used  frgough | 08/11/09
And what brand did you buy?  Ken_z | 08/11/09
So?  mwagner@... | 08/12/09
He bought a Mac Book  Metronome49 | 08/12/09
And it was an informed decision  NonZealot | 08/12/09
I know  dleon63 | 08/16/09
I have a cat  sackbut | 08/12/09
Who knew.....  hungryjoe | 08/16/09
It was about how quality beats inferiority.  MyMac | 08/12/09
Really?  NonZealot | 08/12/09
Guess what  rparker009 | 08/12/09
Good thing I didn't buy it because of the motherboard!!  NonZealot | 08/12/09
LOL  sackbut | 08/12/09
Battery life  compudog | 08/12/09
You can't say that..  bobiroc | 08/18/09
Seconded. Ironically, we can all thank Microsoft for absconding theirs  HypnoToad72 | 08/12/09
Except me  compudog | 08/12/09
something doesn't add up  nathans2 | 08/12/09
Fud?  sackbut | 08/12/09
the concept is called "quality"  elllroy | 08/13/09
Total Cost of Ownership?  bmonsterman | 08/14/09
Again...the quality thing..  bmonsterman | 08/14/09
What?  bobiroc | 08/18/09
Nonzi's right on this one except...  GSavage777 | 08/13/09
RDF Alert  pdskep | 08/11/09
Consumption-driven economy is dead  LBiege | 08/11/09
And the companies being bailed out with taxpayer money...  HypnoToad72 | 08/12/09
You can spot an RFD piece by the following: Posted by Sam Diaz (nt)  ye | 08/11/09
I don't know what planet he's from  nathans2 | 08/12/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  fazalmajid | 08/11/09
This Windows Experience...  condelirios | 08/12/09
Better still . . .  sporkfighter | 08/12/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  beldar33@... | 08/11/09
ZDNET Morph To Mac  Steve@... | 08/11/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  Malakie | 08/11/09
Sam did what was best for him. But some here can't deal with that  UGottaBKidding | 08/11/09
It goes both ways I guess...  kanati | 08/11/09
If you let another person's opinion of a computer  frgough | 08/11/09
The same can be said of those who constantly bash...  ye | 08/11/09
Et tu, Brute.  rahbm | 08/13/09
How so? (nt)  ye | 08/16/09
It's more than computers, it's become an identity thing  kanati | 08/11/09
Identity  compudog | 08/12/09
How dare you speak well of Apple!!  oncall | 08/11/09
Nah  JT82 | 08/12/09
I just flew on KLM to Scandinavia...  msalzberg | 08/12/09
That would explain  oncall | 08/12/09
Informed decision?  NonZealot | 08/11/09
Would that be  oncall | 08/11/09
What on earth?? Are you serious??  NonZealot | 08/11/09
Take another sip...  oncall | 08/11/09
Sam decided an old Mac was of greater value to him than a new PC  UGottaBKidding | 08/11/09
He is? Then why did he write this:  ye | 08/11/09
Want another quote from this well informed technology buyer?  NonZealot | 08/11/09
Apparently he's held this belief for a long time...  ye | 08/11/09
Describes my old laptop...  oncall | 08/11/09
My girlfriends son and daughter both use XP on their laptops.  ye | 08/11/09
The problem with . . .  sporkfighter | 08/12/09
@spork  oncall | 08/13/09
Exactly why Sam made an uniformed decision  NonZealot | 08/11/09
Defending Sam...not Apple  UGottaBKidding | 08/11/09
It's not his opinion I take issue with.  ye | 08/11/09
Sam's experience with PCs hasn't been great  UGottaBKidding | 08/11/09
He may not have had a good experience.  ye | 08/11/09
@UgottabeKidding  Lunatic59 | 08/12/09
Where did we stop Sam from expressing his opinion?  NonZealot | 08/11/09
Old Macbook for kids? Not going to be high mileage.  gcbright1 | 08/13/09
There's your reading comprehension again...  olePigeon | 08/12/09
It is YOUR reading comprehension that needs help  NonZealot | 08/12/09
I'll let you reread your sentence...  olePigeon | 08/12/09
Re: reading comprehension.  rtk | 08/13/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  surfasb | 08/11/09
Good question!  rahbm | 08/13/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  Lester Young | 08/11/09
Enough is enough  bmonsterman | 08/12/09
This will only end when Windows dies.  HollywoodDog | 08/12/09
BS  t5j1sr | 08/13/09
You should have gotten a used PC.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/12/09
And what are we smoking today? VALUE is more than the upfront cost.  HypnoToad72 | 08/12/09
Until the last paragraphs...  zenwalker | 08/12/09
You're reading this all wrong  phugger | 08/12/09
I can't understand if you're for or against him  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
Good for you man  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
Have to agree but...  zenwalker | 08/12/09
Nice  D2 Ultima | 08/13/09
Confused?  Lunatic59 | 08/12/09
He did  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
Lots of false assumptions ...  mwagner@... | 08/12/09
You sound like a Windows Idiot Mr. Diaz  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
As one of the dummies happy  oncall | 08/12/09
Tried OS X for 2 weeks, it isn't as good as Windows  NonZealot | 08/12/09
That is your opinion of course.  oncall | 08/12/09
Your opinion stinks too!  NonZealot | 08/12/09
LOL so true  oncall | 08/12/09
"Tried OS X for 2 weeks, it isn't as good as Windows"  UAC nanny screen | 08/13/09
Let me let you in on a secret  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
"Macs allow you to call them....."  Lester Young | 08/12/09
Similar with Dell  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
What was it about OS X that you disliked..  msalzberg | 08/12/09
Dude, you gotta change your handle!  sporkfighter | 08/12/09
It's supposed to be "ironic"  UAC nanny screen | 08/13/09
I am fully aware of that  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  b757doc@... | 08/12/09
you know  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
You just hit the nail on the head.  oncall | 08/12/09
If only that were true  NonZealot | 08/12/09
Actually  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
The process is exactly the same  NonZealot | 08/12/09
Not entirely true...  Michael Kelly | 08/12/09
hehe  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
@Michael: nope, still disagree  NonZealot | 08/12/09
@D2: that isn't correct either  NonZealot | 08/12/09
@NonZealot  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
The only trouble I ever had with Dell  oncall | 08/12/09
You contradicted yourself  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
I'm not a Mac fanboy (ha!) but I disagree with you here  NonZealot | 08/12/09
@NonZealot  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
Sorry D2 but this is also not correct  NonZealot | 08/12/09
I don't see the contradiction  oncall | 08/12/09
@NonZealot  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
@D2: I don't believe Apple warranty is voided  NonZealot | 08/12/09
@Oncall  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
@NonZealot  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
@D2 and oncall: lousy OS releases  NonZealot | 08/12/09
@D2: so it sounds like we now agree with each other  NonZealot | 08/12/09
@NZ  oncall | 08/12/09
@NonZealot  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
So is not Apple  any_os | 08/12/09
Similar scenario, opposite result  rleininger | 08/12/09
This seems to be the far more common result  NonZealot | 08/12/09
You've met some... "smart"... people friend  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
OMG!  HypnoToad72 | 08/12/09
you ain't seen nothing yet  D2 Ultima | 08/12/09
If it were true  UAC nanny screen | 08/13/09
Airport Update addresses portable issues created by 10.5.8  ye | 08/12/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  AdrianWerner | 08/12/09
and why are you guys so angry??  vachi | 08/12/09
The "anger" is a result of this paragraph:  ye | 08/12/09
ahh right anger i see  vachi | 08/12/09
I will say otherwise because otherwise is correct.  ye | 08/13/09
ahh idk maybe its just me  vachi | 08/13/09
What? You have proof?  UAC nanny screen | 08/13/09
Pretty Lame.  ye | 08/16/09
I LIKE the choices.  Crestview | 08/12/09
wow really please tell me more (not jk)  vachi | 08/12/09
What a bunch of brainwashing crap  Crestview | 08/12/09
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 08/12/09
Stunning  Crestview | 08/12/09
You can fool some of the people all of the time  tonymcs@... | 08/12/09
Love that post...  condelirios | 08/12/09
condelirios very good point  evay1 | 08/13/09
It's true  D2 Ultima | 08/13/09
LOL  D2 Ultima | 08/13/09
To each his own.  brokenspokes | 08/12/09
Welcome to ZDNET wink  oncall | 08/13/09
Mac's certaintly don't do everything PC's do....  trance2tec | 08/14/09
Fair  bmonsterman | 08/14/09
True  brokenspokes | 08/14/09
Yea...Lenovo isn't exactly a value prop.  bmonsterman | 08/15/09
Conspiracy theory  nathans2 | 08/12/09
I hear your pain...  wright_is | 08/12/09
More Mileage from My Macs than My PCs  gcbright1 | 08/13/09
You're looking at the wrong name brands  D2 Ultima | 08/13/09
RE: Back to school goes cheap: Here comes another round of Mac vs PC  nhilterbrand | 08/13/09
Ballmer, High Quality, and the problem with presentation  Timpraetor | 08/13/09
senior editor of zdnet bought an old machine  FADS_z | 08/25/09

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