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August 19th, 2009

Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy

Posted by Sam Diaz @ 3:00 am

Categories: General, eBay

Tags: Payment, Credit Card, PayPal, eBay Inc., Sales Channel, Financial Services, Operational Accounting, Sales, Finance, Sam Diaz

I have this event coming up and will be be the funds-collector from people scattered across different locations. Initially, I thought of PayPal as the easy way to go.

Boy, was I wrong.

Today, thanks to a very poor experience with the company’s Web site and a couple of clueless telephone customer service reps, I’ve decided against PayPal - all because I think the company’s policies involving credit/debit card fees are misplaced and unfair. Instead, I’ll probably just make everyone send me a paper check via snail mail. .

One of the biggest problems is that PayPal naturally assumes that everyone collecting money is a “seller” of some sort of product or service. What’s wrong with just being a recipient, a collector or funds, if you will? What about people who collect for family reunions or special events, such as what I’m doing? Hey, I’m just being a nice guy by agreeing to collect the funds for the group. Why should I have to eat a few bucks from every transaction just so the sender can use a credit/debit card to pay? That’s a convenience - and the sender should cough up for it.

Actually, under PayPal’s policies, the sender has the option of eating the fees - roughly 3 percent of the transaction plus 30 cents - or passing them along to the recipient. I don’t object to credit card fees. I just don’t think that - in this particular situation - I shouldn’t have to be the one who takes the loss. I should be given the option of refusing such transactions - but I don’t. Here’s how it should go:

The sender launches a credit card payment and is informed of the fees. The sender decides to pass along the fees to the recipient but, instead of getting a payment confirmation, the sender gets an error message informing him that this recipient does not accept credit/debit card payments unless the seller pays the associated fees. At that point, the seller has a choice - eat the fees or cancel the transaction. Simple as that.

But that’s not how it works. And that’s why I won’t be allowing anyone to pay their share of this event via PayPal.

Here’s the sad reality: PayPal - and the execs at parent company eBay - could probably give a rat’s behind what I think of their credit card policies. I’m not a frequent buyer or seller on eBay and don’t regularly use the service. And I’m just one guy. Seeing how I don’t like how PayPal works, I can just haul my behind to the bank with a stack of checks and do things the old-fashioned way.

PayPal is one of eBay’s sweet spots. In its last quarterly earnings report, the company said that the payments business unit, which consists of PayPal and Bill Me Later, saw year-over-year revenue growth of 11 percent for the quarter and a 20 percent jump in active registered accounts, now up to 75.4 million. It aspires to double in size by 2011 - largely by continuing its growth on the eBay site as well as by increasing the service’s use among merchants that aren’t part of eBay. In addition, PayPal is looking toward handling more mobile transactions and payments for businesses such as banks, non-profits and online social networks.

So guys like me really aren’t on the radar. At least now I know where I stand with PayPal.

Sam Diaz

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Te sadder reality  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/19/09
The real reason...  donw1234 | 08/19/09
Nonprofits use PP frequently  stephmcdonald | 08/20/09
Business Expenses  donden@... | 08/19/09
Service Business can  Russell Gates | 09/01/09
You are correct  mm9696@... | 08/19/09
Woebegone  Partners in Grime | 08/19/09
actually visa's fault  spam@... | 08/19/09
Uhm... HUH?  SpectreWriter | 08/20/09
because it is optional  spam@... | 08/21/09
Even sadder  Dr. John | 08/20/09
what other ????  steve@... | 09/17/09
So they should pay the fees for you  someitguy79 | 08/19/09
Of course...  Mike (not Cox) | 08/19/09
You're mising the point  p0figster | 08/19/09
Completely Backward  owenl1998 | 08/19/09
Thank you  ShouldntBeRequired | 08/19/09
Editors  curph01@... | 08/19/09
They're a business not a free service  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
Bump the $ request by the fee amount  jhimes | 08/19/09
don't forget to cover the fee to cover the fee  tomasb | 08/19/09
Factor in *all* costs when setting pricing  FantaStyx | 08/20/09
Read his post before posting.  Reality Bites | 08/20/09
Your all missing the point!  jdbukis@... | 08/19/09
All sellers who accept Credit Cards...  mrlinux | 08/19/09
Never said it should be  jdbukis@... | 08/19/09
You missed the point..  mrlinux | 08/19/09
No, you're missing the point  p0figster | 08/19/09
It appears to be...  mrlinux | 08/19/09
If PayPal can't, why can gas stations?  p0figster | 08/19/09
Because it IS different  p0figster | 08/19/09
So is the gas station example  leupole | 08/19/09
Quit the whining!!!  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
Why reply to me  jdbukis@... | 08/19/09
Sorry JD  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
It seems you are the Drama Queen  rhabkirk@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  jfp | 08/19/09
Too sensible!  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
The last time I checked...  p0figster | 08/19/09
There are lots of reasons to hate PayPal  wkulecz | 08/19/09
Get a Life  docquesting@... | 08/19/09
Personal attack on who...?  UAC nanny screen | 08/19/09
Personal attack on who...?  docquesting@... | 08/19/09
Or maybe you should take out the phrase...  UAC nanny screen | 08/20/09
Where is the "pal" part?  kd5auq | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  carronp@... | 08/19/09
We are getting there  JT82 | 08/19/09
RE: Electronic Funds Transfer  millerhilife | 08/19/09
Raise the donation - so the donater eats the fees  Maarek | 08/19/09
My point...  SamDiazZDNet Moderator | 08/19/09
Well did you find an good alternative ??  mrlinux | 08/19/09
Your Point is Idiotic.  condelirios | 08/19/09
Your counter point is idiotic  deepee912 | 08/19/09
Learn to read...  satovey@... | 08/19/09
I thought sam said he wasn't being a drama queen?  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
The pot calling the kettle black  p0figster | 08/19/09
Sooty utensils  cdgoldin | 08/20/09
Nowt to do with kettles or pots.  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
I think you still just don't get it...  1863650 | 08/19/09
Why can't they?  p0figster | 08/19/09
If the sender agrees...  satovey@... | 08/19/09
PayPal  dplant@... | 08/19/09
Hooray for Sam  randelldean | 08/19/09
Eat the difference?  levinson | 08/19/09
No, we didn't miss your point  cdgoldin | 08/20/09
"drama queen"?  georgeslacombe@... | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  Loverock Davidson | 08/19/09
It makes sense  homeblend | 08/19/09
A note on an alternative within PayPal  AttackComputerWhiz | 08/19/09
this is the stupiest article EVER  paulcampagna.com | 08/19/09
His point was that he would like to  GuidingLight | 08/19/09
He can do like all other merchant's..  mrlinux | 08/19/09
Who takes the loss?  levinson | 08/20/09
Your Post = Fail  p0figster | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  Jim__J | 08/19/09
Float  dragonsclaw@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  Tucson Bill | 08/19/09
Pay Pal  tootsieinoly@... | 08/19/09
What a Noob-view ...  nottheusual1 | 08/19/09
lol sooo true, but.....  Been_Done_Before | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  rightwingnutter | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  radspot@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  xperiate | 08/19/09
Thanks!  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  schreier@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  msimms | 08/19/09
yes it does  mswift@... | 08/19/09
Cheap shot  cdgoldin | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  Watzman@... | 08/19/09
Sam Diaz is a senior editor ?  unclepoo@... | 08/19/09
Sam Diaz is a senior editor ??  Rich_077 | 08/19/09
PP sux but not because of fees policy  TranMan | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  modification1 | 08/19/09
Credit card processing is a rackett, but that's the business model  vernonhorn@... | 08/19/09
PayPal needs a federal review they r a monopoly and use strong arm tactics  bspurloc | 08/19/09
PayPal is a criminal organization.  bspurloc | 08/19/09
Well it's there business and they...  mrlinux | 08/19/09
RE : p0figster  mrlinux | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  timisaac@... | 08/19/09
It's clear enough  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 08/19/09
thanks...  SamDiazZDNet Moderator | 08/19/09
Why PayPal?  buyvia | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  hdolph@... | 08/19/09
Paypal from a sellers perspective  richard233 | 08/19/09
Paypal's not the problem, credit card companies are  arodriguez@... | 08/19/09
Fees  grayknight | 08/19/09
Paypal is a crutch, and an expensive one.  terry flores | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  sundance79 | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  dmksage@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  grindy | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  blazer48 | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  Damian Jones | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  dianecmiles@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  LogicalOne | 08/19/09
The real PayPal problem: requiring "Premium" accounts  LogicalOne | 08/19/09
Have 1 premium and 1 personal accounts  j3hdz@... | 08/19/09
Have 1 premium and 1 personal accounts  LogicalOne | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  n.mason@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  edbonillasm@... | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  General Ludd | 08/19/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  maloner | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  bob3160_z | 08/20/09
Paypal handles dispute very poorly also  daveazadi | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  mulqueen@... | 08/20/09
Lawsuit currently pending class action status  goldi316 | 08/21/09
That's business  techwiz_100@... | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  markosjal@... | 08/20/09
PayPal - An Unessential Muddle That Should Be Avoided  donnydo77@... | 08/20/09
yea like direct credit card billing  KyleDDM | 08/20/09
As long as I dont get screwed if I'm forced to use pay-pal  KyleDDM | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  KyleDDM | 08/20/09
That's total BS  KyleDDM | 08/20/09
Shill Bidding on eBay: a Case Study  Philip Cohen | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  SpectreWriter | 08/20/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  muzzysmomma@... | 08/21/09
there's no fee  redking44 | 08/24/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  ps.zdnet@... | 08/26/09
Have an adult beverage and flush the event  cappidad | 09/06/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  janemcm@... | 09/10/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  Twibble | 09/11/09
Need group solutions, not merchant payments... get convenience? pay fees  bradcooper | 09/11/09
RE: Why PayPal lost this customer over credit card fees policy  jtomed@... | 09/14/09
PayPal Support Stinks!  knoxbury | 09/16/09
There is better, much better than paypal  biztech | 09/17/09
Do your homework next time  steve@... | 09/17/09

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