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August 20th, 2009

My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds

Posted by Sam Diaz @ 3:00 am

Categories: General, eBay

Tags: Credit Card, PayPal, Sales Channel, Financial Services, Sales, Sam Diaz

Maybe my PayPal whining will result in some sort of change, after all.

In a post yesterday, I wrote about what I felt were unfair policies involving credit card fees on PayPal. Specifically, I was frustrated about the fees incurred when using a credit card. Currently, a sender has the choice at the time of the credit card transaction - pay the fees (which are roughly 3 percent plus 30 cents) or pass them along to the recipient. I argued that there should be a way for recipients to block credit card payments where the sender has asked to pass along the fees. Currently, there is no way for recipients to block such transactions.

The post received a fair amount of feedback from some pretty passionate readers and I also received several private e-mails - some nice, some not so nice. One of the emails came from Anuj Naya, director of global communications for PayPal. He wanted to chat about the post and wanted to let me know that there was, in fact, a way for recipients to refuse credit card payments. To give it a test-run, he sent $1 to my PayPal account via credit card - which ended up being only 67 cents, after the 33 cents in fees were deducted.

It turns out there’s a way for me to refund, not refuse, the payment. That’s what Naya was talking about. Recipients who see the credit card payments in their inboxes have 30 days to issue a refund, essentially kicking it back for any reason, including the fees. That’s nice but that’s not what I’m talking about. If I’m collecting from 100 people and half of them go the credit card route and pass them along to me, that’s 50 refunds I have to process. Wouldn’t it be easier for those to automatically get kicked back to the sender?

That’s all I’m saying.

Naya said he also misunderstood exactly what it was I was trying to do and acknowledged that, currently, the service does not allow recipients the flexibility to decide how credit card fees will be processed. He said he’d pass along the suggestion to the engineering team and I agreed to write about changes they make to meet this need.

I seriously hope that eBay takes this one into consideration. If eBay wants to grow PayPal the way it has said it wants to, then it really does need to recognize that buyers and sellers aren’t the only ones who exchange money. There’s a whole market of people out there - from office coffee funds to friends pitching in for a big wedding gift. Debit cards have all but eliminated the need to carry cash and checks and it would only make sense to enable everyday folks to pitch in this way.

If you’re the one who’s collecting for the wedding gift - and pitching in, as well - do you really think it’s fair that you have to take a $3 loss out of your own pocket for every co-worker who chose to pitch-in using a debit card?

I don’t.

Suggested reading: Internet slowly wakes up to PayPal’s quiet fee hike

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paypal ebay is a seller grinder
My objections to paypal are these:

Ebay forces the seller to offer paypal against their will, incurring unneccessary fees.

There is no way to automatically make the buyer incur the fees ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Opcom_ Posted on: 09/22/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Ebay & Paypal  davidcantu1970@... | 08/20/09
PayPal Charge Backs  esale | 08/20/09
Amen brother  Russell Gates | 08/21/09
eBay: now just another Ticketmaster  dgurney | 09/15/09
paypal ebay is a seller grinder  Opcom_ | 09/22/09
Do you think using a CC is free?  Eriamjh | 08/20/09
Premier service  a.barry@... | 08/20/09
PayPal is the reason I quit using e-bay  rdhalsteatzd | 08/20/09
Enough Beef Already  docquesting@... | 08/20/09
It's not $0.03 and $0.30... It's 3% and $0.30...  rfnajera | 08/20/09
Explain your math....  moviedemon | 08/20/09
explain your math  jg@... | 08/20/09
explain your math  Darr247 | 08/20/09
Math explained  goldenpanther | 08/20/09
Ahhh... that makes sense... sorry.  moviedemon | 08/20/09
Which part of ZIPPO protection did you miss?  GetReal-mac.com | 08/24/09
My question is this..  JT82 | 08/20/09
My question is this..  Darr247 | 08/20/09
V/MC levied fee  Russell Gates | 08/21/09
Use the "personal" option  gtvr | 08/20/09
No, that's not an option...  750AeroChick | 08/20/09
Seems like all the "Gripe-ers" don't get it!  kd5auq | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  nostril | 08/20/09
This isn't a PayPal issue  Robert Crocker | 08/20/09
The main point most responders are missing is ....  kd5auq | 08/20/09
Do you pay a fee when you buy something  bridgebaron | 08/20/09
In This Example  sboverie@... | 08/20/09
This could be a very serious issue!  a.barry@... | 08/20/09
Finally! Someone who gets it!  kd5auq | 08/20/09
This could be a very serious issue!  Darr247 | 08/20/09
pay rent with CC?  pizzabandit | 08/28/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  NetAdmin1178 | 08/20/09
Doesn't work that way  aep528 | 08/20/09
Re: Doesn't work that way  NetAdmin1178 | 08/20/09
This doesn't work all the time.  a.barry@... | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  _JohnH | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  pollycat | 08/20/09
Never would I use Pay Pal  Tholian_53 | 08/20/09
You're right...  moviedemon | 08/20/09
I'm glad they do it that way  Dave Keays | 08/21/09
No....  SpankyFrost | 09/14/09
pay-pal's security vs convenience  Dave Keays | 09/17/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  ddrmueller | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  NetAdmin1178 | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  nmaclennan | 08/20/09
Paypal is great!  Pyrotech_z | 08/20/09
3% of a payment is way too much, in my eyes (nt)  kouzen | 08/20/09
PayPal is actually a pretty good deal...  moviedemon | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  modification1 | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  iceman884@... | 08/20/09
Another Beef  account@... | 08/20/09
Re: Another Beef  bbbltd | 08/21/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  Peoplesrj | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  norman926 | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  norman926 | 08/20/09
Not outside the box  DeusExMachina | 08/20/09
Another PayPal problem, similar problem  grsmith317 | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  kscarroll54 | 08/20/09
The way I understand it...  SamDiazZDNet Moderator | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  bob@... | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  bbbltd | 08/21/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  frevere | 08/20/09
because you are the store in this case  pizzabandit | 08/28/09
It is called "cost of doing business"  nothingness | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  batia | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  shanedr | 08/20/09
Message has been deleted.  Darr247 | 08/20/09
Message has been deleted.  Darr247 | 08/20/09
I Removed My Card Info  itanalyst2@... | 08/20/09
Think of it this way.  Scubajrr | 08/20/09
Incorrect for Ebay transactions!  kzm1 | 08/21/09
Fee free credit card  Aboleyn | 08/20/09
Fee free credit card  Darr247 | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  goingbust | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  Darr247 | 08/20/09
How can PayPal force you to use their credit card?  tad0900 | 08/20/09
Excellent!  relativityboy | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  73man | 08/20/09
No, no, the man has a point  gregoryk@... | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  sackbut | 08/20/09
Not allowed by Ebay  kzm1 | 08/21/09
Ebay and PayPal = unholy alliance  Don Collins | 08/20/09
Mail Fraud and PayPal  MGUTTER@... | 08/20/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  dgpeter@... | 08/20/09
And I thought I was being nice..  ProfQuill | 08/20/09
Alternatives  ProfQuill | 08/20/09
What about the nagging and trickery to fund from balance or bank account?  carolona | 08/21/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  daviddth | 08/21/09
Forced into paypal  abbaibbitz | 08/21/09
If you accept a credit card you CAN'T chrarge the customer extra to use it!  Brad Jensen | 08/21/09
Credit card 'charge'  ProfQuill | 08/21/09
PayPal is the reason I stopped selling on eBay  Fed-up-Rant | 08/21/09
eBay and PayPal: Antitrust violations  Fed-up-Rant | 08/21/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  Old Timer 8080 | 08/21/09
sorry for caps (COULD YOU PLEASE DO A SIMILAIR POST ABOUT MICROPAYMENTS)  emenau | 08/21/09
PayPal Micropayments  anujnayar | 08/22/09
Got scammed and PayPal...  Gradius2 | 08/23/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  llee@... | 08/24/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  shanedr | 08/25/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  theewizard@... | 08/27/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  namobo | 08/27/09
paypal beef and bologna  johnefx1 | 09/11/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  jtomed@... | 09/14/09
RE: My PayPal credit card beef, Part II: PayPal responds  Dave Keays | 09/17/09

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