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August 20th, 2009

Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace "channels," kill cable?

Posted by Sam Diaz @ 3:11 pm

Categories: Apple

Tags: Web, Apple Inc., Apple TV, Apple iTunes, Cable, Munster, TVs, Tv & Home Theater, Personal Technology, Home Entertainment

Gene Munster’s living room of the future is centered around a Web-connected, iTunes-powered Apple-branded TV - a 50-inch, high-def, wall-mounted iPhone, if you will. And the stuff you’ll watch on this “TV set” won’t come in via Comcast or DirecTV. It will all stream in from - or be archived through - iTunes.

That’s the way Munster, a Piper Jaffray analyst, sees it. In a note to investors today, he offers his take on a deeper dive into the living room by Apple. The company, you see, will become both hardware, software and content provider in this new world of television - just as it has already become for today’s world of digital music.

He believes it is “highly likely” that Apple will release a new Apple TV in the coming months that will include support for a monthly subscription for iTunes TV shows or TV recording features. He writes:

With the popularity of ad-based Internet TV (Hulu.com) and subscription models (Netflix’s Watch Instantly), we believe a-la-carte (iTunes) video purchases have lost share against other video models in recent months. As such, we believe Apple is exploring a subscription-based offering for its TV content in iTunes.

I don’t necessarily agree with that - but more on that in a bit. He went on to talk about the longer-term outlook and expectation of an Apple-designed, Web-connected TV with DVR and home media functionality built in. That could arrive as early as 2011, he wrote. From the report:

The device would push Apple further into the digital living room with interactive TV, music, movie and gaming features (with the iPhone or iPod Touch as a game controller). Such a device would command a premium among a competitive field of budget TVs; we believe Apple could differentiate itself with software that makes home entertainment simple and solves a pain point for consumers (complicated TV and component systems).

The TV market is a tough game and it’s changing fast, not only in the way programming is offered but also in the hardware (TV sets) that are being manufactured. At last year’s Intel Developer’s Forum, Yahoo and Intel talked about Web-based widgets for Web-connected television sets - basically “apps” that deliver on-screen sports scores, weather updates and Flickr slideshows. Intel’s technology outfits the screen itself to take on that role of PC.

Previous coverage: Analyst: 6.6 million AppleTV units in 2009; an Apple-connected TV on the horizon

Munster points out that Apple’s five-year $500 million partnership with LG for LCD screens likely covers displays for Macs and portable devices, it could also include the larger LCD TV displays. On the software and content side, Munster is envisioning a scenario where iTunes - which already has TV content - becomes a subscription service that allows viewers to dump the cable guys and instead use iTunes to get episodes of certain shows - those offered up by Apple’s partners.

Here’s the thing: To get me to dump cable or satellite, Apple will have to up its game in offerings, including first-run and live-streaming broadcasts. To pull that off, Apple would have to go back to the negotiating table with the networks. That could be tough, seeing how Steve Jobs apparently has a rep for being a bit of an S.O.B. when it comes to negotiating in Hollywood. Consider all of the work that it’s taken just to get the music side of the business this far.

Still, I like where Munster is going with this.

But, I say forget the idea of turning iTunes into a subscription service. I disagree that the demand for a-la-carte has lost its spark. There are some 65 million users of iTunes out there and I can’t imagine they’ll respond happily about the service being flipped on its head. Instead, Apple should take baby steps and work with the networks on subscriptions on TV apps that would offer unlimited access - including live streaming - to certain networks. It’s no different than paying $13 extra per month for HBO or Showtime, really.

In a sense, this offers subscription pricing on a-la-carte programming by burying it within the app. Can’t you see it?

Here’s my vision: Apple offers a base subscription with 10 or 20 “core” network apps, those such as CBS, CNN, ESPN, Nickelodeon, Bravo and so on. After that, others are added to your TV set - not a set-top box - on a per-app, variable-pricing subscription basis - maybe 99 cents for Boomerang, $1.99 for the NFL Network but $5.99 for Showtime. There could potentially be all sorts of ways to slice it and dice it.

And the consumer couldn’t be happier. If I only add a handful of channels, then I save money over my satellite bill. If I add a lot of them, I may pay more than I currently pay DirecTV - but now I get the networks (as opposed to “channels”) that I really want; not those that are given to me in a package.

Hey, maybe Apple can talk Showtime into offering a $1.99/month “Dexter” app. I’d buy that.

For this to really work, though, the idea of wrapping it into iTunes and/or a TV set is the way to go. Apple TV hasn’t become the must-have device the way the iPod and iPhone did and thinking that consumers will buy it now just so they can pay subscription fees isn’t very realistic either. There are too many other options out there.

Earlier this year, I shook my head at a theory from Munster that games and apps would be one way for Apple TV to generate some growth. Sure, they’re taking off on the iPhone - but many of those apps are designed for folks on-the-go. Apps for TV would have to be related to the TV viewing experience - and they really would need to work independent of a set-top box.

They would need to come built into the TV.

For some time now, Apple has put its AppleTV product on a back burner. Executives repeatedly called it a “hobby” but gave it little respect. Then, earlier this year, COO Tim Cook told analysts that the company would continue to invest in AppleTV because “we fundamentally believe there is something there for us in the future.”

I’ve been an Apple TV owner for some time now and I have to say our only real use for it has been renting movies in HD (no Blu-Ray player in this house), playing some YouTube videos and the occasional living room presentation of a photo slide-show. Still, I have liked how well the system integrates with iTunes on computers around the house.

I have seen what Apple TV can do. I can only imagine how the company can stir up the future of TV if it is truly working on some form of Munster’s vision.

Sam Diaz

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Wrong the Really Issue
Is that it is a Apple product, wich mean: grossly over priced and of very poor quality. (Read the rest)
Posted by: Mectron Posted on: 09/02/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
AppleTV only called a hobby after its dismal failure  NonZealot | 08/20/09
Fixed it for you  ejhonda | 08/21/09
*snooze*  HypnoToad72 | 08/21/09
Which is probably just as well.  Sleeper Service | 08/21/09
Must you bash everything Apple?  CowLauncher | 08/21/09
WOW  The 'G-Man.' | 08/21/09
I Agree...  CowLauncher | 08/21/09
You must be new here. NonZealot is our resident Microsoft troll. [nt]  olePigeon | 08/21/09
That might be true, but . . .  Ken_z | 08/23/09
Apple IS A FAILURE  Mectron | 08/21/09
Bizarre post on NZealots thread. NZ says he owns a MACBOOK!  Davewrite | 08/21/09
What on earth are you talking about?  NonZealot | 08/24/09
Yeah right  hoffmancarl | 08/24/09
Yes... bleeding edge.  outpastpluto | 08/22/09
Content  The 'G-Man.' | 08/21/09
Well who cares about the content providors?  mathcreative | 08/21/09
Forget that . . .  JLHenry | 08/21/09
No More Discovery Science or Nat Geo  borlowitz@... | 08/24/09
How do I say this?  Rick_K | 08/21/09
That's funny...  LiquidLearner | 08/21/09
Contracts protect you from this outcome.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
That is what I was wondering.  Rick_K | 08/22/09
Apple TV profit numbers please?REAL Dismal Failure is MS Entertainment Div!  Davewrite | 08/21/09
Yeah remind me not to listen to you for stock picks.  aktazdevil | 08/21/09
Before you SPOUT why don't you just Google it? lol.  Davewrite | 08/21/09
Because those are 2007 numbers.  aktazdevil | 08/22/09
I was clear it was 07 08 but Since you asked: MS even more sorry in 2009  Davewrite | 08/22/09
Last five years stocks: Appl +980%, Msft -3% nt.  Davewrite | 08/21/09
MS calls it version 1 thru 4.  James Quinn | 08/21/09
Why APPLE?  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 08/20/09
Yeah, why not someone else  NonZealot | 08/20/09
Feel free to point out a likely candidate  frgough | 08/20/09
Sony/Samsung...any TV manufacturer on the face of this planet.  NeoGeneration | 08/20/09
Yeah, maybe, but  odcchaz | 08/21/09
Hmmmm  The 'G-Man.' | 08/21/09
RE; Hmmmm  odcchaz | 08/21/09
How about....  RocketEater | 08/21/09
And don't forget . . .  JLHenry | 08/21/09
I could actually see Sony doing this.  Rick_K | 08/21/09
Yet you don't have any idea what the next AppleTV  James Quinn | 08/21/09
Jim I do understand  Rick_K | 08/22/09
Apple will always have a strong following  Michael Kelly | 08/21/09
You have Apple mixed up with Microsoft.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
Restrictive or intelligently designed?  James Quinn | 08/21/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  MouatMac | 08/20/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  D-HDTV | 08/20/09
Same Here...  CowLauncher | 08/21/09
I have to agree that since Digitial TV OTA receiption is VERY good!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
Apple is far behind  ZDnet Reader 43 | 08/20/09
Right, the Web  Mikael_z | 08/21/09
Beige?  zenwalker | 08/21/09
Apple will...  Sleeper Service | 08/21/09
Like we really put any faith in your opinions! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
By 'we'...  Sleeper Service | 08/23/09
As an xbox360 owner  oncall | 08/21/09
Seriously, beige is so 1990s  tikigawd | 08/24/09
But Apple brings it easily into your living room. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
While I believe this is all analyst moonshine  wolf_z | 08/21/09
Opinions are worth the paper they are written on.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
Consider the iPhone empire  wolf_z | 08/23/09
Hardly. Cable companies making mini-monoplies, with each charging a ransom  HypnoToad72 | 08/21/09
Except cable show more than two shows...  Sleeper Service | 08/21/09
Not if those are the only two show's he's interested (beyond OTA shows).  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
Sure, absolutely everybody...  Sleeper Service | 08/23/09
Where's the bandwidth?  Justin James | 08/21/09
And then add selling bandwidth...  zenwalker | 08/21/09
Verizon...  justanitguy | 08/21/09
It's not entirely a "last mile" problem...  Justin James | 08/22/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  Dennis.Keeling@... | 08/21/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  scottbailey | 08/21/09
Would it not actually have to sell  GuidingLight | 08/21/09
Been a long time comin'  odcchaz | 08/21/09
"The iPhone did to smart phones"...  Sleeper Service | 08/21/09
I agree  rynning | 08/21/09
Sleeper...go to sleep already. Everyone else is happy with Apple.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
Yeah, y'all... shut yer mouths  tikigawd | 08/24/09
Why Apple?  The 'G-Man.' | 08/21/09
Because  odcchaz | 08/21/09
If they can pull off subscription TV . . .  CobraA1 | 08/21/09
I thought I read somewhere recently that at least  James Quinn | 08/21/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  HW12345 | 08/21/09
Bandwidth? Multiple TVs?  mtifo@... | 08/21/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  tonyaart | 08/21/09
Yes you can. But just imagine a menu of selections FROM YOUR TV!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
I no longer have cable TV  betelgeuse68 | 08/21/09
Apple TV is already a total failure  Stan57 | 08/21/09
Stan57 has spoken! And people revolt in horror!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
Um... as it stands the Cable companies already  James Quinn | 08/21/09
Finally a way to buy an overpriced TV and feel good happy  pauliusp | 08/21/09
Resolution  odcchaz | 08/21/09
Now to put this in a fashion you can understand...  James Quinn | 08/21/09
HD fuzz with whopper monthly bandwidth bills  kd5auq | 08/21/09
No doubt  oncall | 08/21/09
Huh? I don't get it. I use Netflix and stream movies.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
I'm really saying...  oncall | 08/21/09
Savvy deals  odcchaz | 08/21/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  mrtuba9 | 08/21/09
Speculation. Apple has said nothing. AND all the Apple haters are out! lol!  Davewrite | 08/21/09
"Apple really is a dominating presence."  IT_Guy_z | 08/21/09
See you guys reacting from writers Speculating. Apple Dominating!  Davewrite | 08/21/09
You know...  oncall | 08/21/09
exactly! Would they care if Toshiba had a new TV? happy nt  Davewrite | 08/21/09
Well, Apple definately has the Microsoft supported Haters cornered.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
And yet over these many years....  James Quinn | 08/22/09
Stupid  Droid101 | 08/21/09
Of course...  oncall | 08/21/09
The so called appliance...  outpastpluto | 08/22/09
See just speculation from writers and REACTION!!  Davewrite | 08/21/09
Sorry Dave...  omdguy | 08/21/09
...and several dozen 'How Dare You Use Anything other than Microsoft Warez'  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/21/09
LOL why are YOU wasting your time posting if Apple NOT important?  Davewrite | 08/21/09
Uhhh, Apple doesn't dominate in any of the markets in this story!  omdguy | 08/22/09
can you read? See my 1st post in thread for what I mean by dominates  Davewrite | 08/22/09
Only one little problem...  Rick_K | 08/23/09
It's sad.  rynning | 08/21/09
And THAT is all I'm saying.....  James Quinn | 08/22/09
I think you need to do your homework  CowLauncher | 08/21/09
Homework, schmomework  outpastpluto | 08/22/09
Just KNEW I'd see the same ole cast of characters:P  James Quinn | 08/21/09
Another "subscription" to DRM content. No thanks.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  outpastpluto | 08/22/09
The price of content.  outpastpluto | 08/22/09
Usability is the key  mr.RichardWright@... | 08/24/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  wcallahan@... | 08/24/09
ISP Bandwidth, Caps, and Throttling is issue#1  dunn@... | 08/25/09
Wrong the Really Issue  Mectron | 09/02/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  shanedr | 08/25/09
Unwanted Channels  The Rog | 08/25/09
RE: Apple's future TV: Can Web-based apps replace  Free TV | 08/27/09

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