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November 12th, 2009

My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 5:42 am

Categories: General, Security

Tags: McAfee Inc., Antivirus, Viruses And Worms, Security, Larry Dignan

Updated: I had an ugly run-in with scareware last night, but I’m not sure what left me more annoyed: The dreaded Antivirus Pro 2009 scareware or McAfee, my anti-virus software provider.

First, my PC was overtaken by Antivirus Pro 2009, which is a rogue anti-spyware application. In a nutshell, Antivirus Pro starts automatically when you log on to your computer, creates fake malware and then holds the PC hostage. In addition it hi-jacks Internet Explorer and pelts you with porn sites (sprinkled in with a little Viagra for good measure). Simply put, Antivirus Pro 2009 tries to scare you into registering the software.

It’s not entirely clear how Antivirus Pro got into my Windows XP home PC. I was at work at the time, but the scareware wasn’t flagged by McAfee’s software and the signatures were up to date. Perhaps it was user error, but once Antivirus Pro is installed you’re screwed. Running task manager and add/remove was a disaster.

After McAfee scans (quick and the long versions) failed to turn anything up nefarious it was clear that I needed to manually remove the files. The problem: I couldn’t find them despite some pretty thorough directions.

After a few hours of trying a little of everything (including failed installations of Kaspersky’s anti-virus software and Malwarebytes Anti-Malware) I decided I needed some help. For some odd reason, I figured I’d pay McAfee support almost $90 to go into my PC and fix things. I figured I was running out of time (I was falling asleep at the keyboard) and I’d do anything—except pay the rat bastards behind Antivirus Pro 2009.

First, the McAfee chat client wouldn’t run, but I attributed that to the Antivirus Pro issues. Then I called a number to a call center and was put on hold for what was supposed to be 20 minutes or so. Ninety-minutes later I just gave up. Here’s what was particularly annoying: There was no automated break-in telling me where I stood in the queue or any updates on wait times. If you’re going to operate a call center do it right.

Ultimately, it was the phone service that did McAfee in for me. The weak scans were one thing, but the inability to get enough folks to man the phones was the real killer for me.

The good news: In my 90 minutes of hold time I tried the add/remove icon in the control panel just enough times that it actually stayed up. once. Given that brief Window—I searched for Antivirus Pro to no avail—but did manage to completely remove Internet Explorer from the PC. I figured if I couldn’t find Antivirus Pro I could at least prevent those annoying browser windows from appearing.

Throughout this time, the McAfee Web client was turning up nothing on scans. In addition, searching hidden files on my PC yielded nothing. After a restart, I was fortunate enough to have a trial of Kaspersky successfully installed (I’m not quite sure how that happened). You get bombarded with so many browser windows and fake malware messages that you’re literally looking around dozens of windows to get anything done.

Kaspersky updated its database and found the Antivirus Pro files to eradicate. Thus far, the PC is working fine.

I still have some issues in that I have to call McAfee and get a refund for the expert time I never received. Once that’s taken care of I’m done with McAfee. I was a four-year customer, but this experience (the lack of finds in the scan and the inability to work through its call center calls) forced my hand. There are plenty of anti-virus software companies, but frankly all I want is one that works during crunch time. For now, that company is Kaspersky.

Update: Cody Spears, McAfee’s executive customer assistance team, gave me some color on what happened. He said the scareware I encountered isn’t new, but was updated a couple of days ago. Spears added that the company was prepared for a Conficker, but “unfortunately we weren’t prepared for this.”

As a result call volume spiked at McAfee when I called. According to Spears:

  • McAfee is typically staffed to handle about 600 calls a night, but last night it received 2,000. That explains the wait time.
  • McAfee said it is pushing out definitions for all the variants of the malware with tonight’s update.
  • The company also set up a team just for this issue. “Today, we’re not having the same issue you had last night,” said Spears.

Separately, I got my refund for the customer service call last night. There wasn’t any hold time for that one.

Post script:

The Malwarebytes Anti-Malware has good word of mouth, but I was getting a run-time error and couldn’t launch it.

Ryan Naraine notes that Vista for all its flaws would have stopped Antivirus Pro 2009 at the door. Windows 7 too.

The latest update from Microsoft for XP patches installed on Wednesday. My hunch is havoc ensued Tuesday night with the scareware and screwed up the auto-update that should have run Tuesday.

And here are a few handy links:

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RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer
I got a virus a year ago I had McCafee it could not find the virus. I called MCafee They charged me $45 and went in to my computer, the tech changed a bunch of settings in my computer that I did not a... (Read the rest)
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With their Comcast and AT&T deals  zmud | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 11/12/09
AV software has a conflict of interest  honeymonster | 11/12/09
Third party firewall and NoScript  Bodazapha | 11/12/09
How would you even know?  Joe_Raby | 11/12/09
seriously?  Bodazapha | 11/12/09
LOL! My thoughts exactly. nt  ye | 11/12/09
With Linux, you wouldn't have to worry about this  UAC nanny screen | 11/13/09
Try a little harder  Joe_Raby | 11/13/09
RE: Try a little harder  bfilipiak@... | 11/17/09
Still having XP installed  Stan57 | 11/12/09
Answers..  condelirios | 11/12/09
re: Two questions  Badgered | 11/12/09
Where did I go wrong?  silverbeard | 11/12/09
You put too much trust in safe mode  rpmyers1 | 11/13/09
Signature based is dead  rpmyers1 | 11/13/09
Kids  Master Guru | 11/13/09
I'm not so sure  bdulac | 11/14/09
What a nightmare!  handydan918@... | 11/19/09
Ryan Naraine notes that Vista for all its flaws  honeymonster | 11/12/09
Yep.....  daMan25 | 11/12/09
Ah, but most CONSUMER PROGRAMS  Lerianis10 | 11/12/09
Actually with the release of Vista more programs will.  ye | 11/12/09
LOL... grin  UAC nanny screen | 11/13/09
I have a question..  NoThomas | 11/12/09
I don't believe that they did  Joe_Raby | 11/12/09
You might be right..  NoThomas | 11/12/09
Well I'll be....You might be right!  Joe_Raby | 11/12/09
There are even more:  Joe_Raby | 11/12/09
MSRT (Malicious Software Removal Tool) "does what is says on the tin"  de-void | 11/12/09
It was not in the discription...  NoThomas | 11/12/09
This is why I'm no advocate of A/V software.  ye | 11/12/09
It isn't unreliable for most people  Lerianis10 | 11/12/09
Just FYI  Joe_Raby | 11/12/09
Don't forget...  NoThomas | 11/12/09
No!  Joe_Raby | 11/12/09
Its saved my bacon to..  NoThomas | 11/12/09
In your original recommendation to disable it you didn't...  ye | 11/12/09
yea I know...  NoThomas | 11/12/09
Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware errors  jrf2027@... | 11/12/09
Nice Advice  dawgstyler | 11/13/09
Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware errors  wyattbest@... | 11/18/09
This is also why I **NEVER** recommend turning UAC off.  CobraA1 | 11/12/09
good points  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 11/12/09
Much better to spend $90 and wait for 90 minutes for McAfee  ye | 11/12/09
I sincerely hope this ends the debate over the value of Vista/Win7 vs. XP  de-void | 11/12/09
I know all you IT guys are trying to be helpful but...  oncall | 11/12/09
In reality a home user will be just fine if...  ye | 11/12/09
I hope that is true  oncall | 11/12/09
Replace AVG with MSE  ye | 11/12/09
If I ever get my hands on it again  oncall | 11/12/09
@oncall: UAC is in, and enabled on every version of Vista. nt  ye | 11/12/09
I recommend they turn it off  UAC nanny screen | 11/13/09
@UAC Nanny Screen  NStalnecker | 11/13/09
Well NStalker...,  UAC nanny screen | 11/14/09
LOL  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 11/12/09
I was under the impression you were computer knowledgable.  ye | 11/12/09
Journalists...  RDrr | 11/12/09
Fraud  RDrr | 11/12/09
I am one of those users.  ye | 11/12/09
Well...  zkiwi | 11/12/09
Millions of XP boxes w/o Admin passwords likely exist.  TriangleDoor | 11/12/09
Standard user mode is such a pain in XP  Lerianis10 | 11/12/09
Standard User Mode can run well  bradb@... | 11/12/09
McAfee is inferior product  HollywoodDog | 11/12/09
I Couldn't Agree More !  Steve@... | 11/12/09
Because not everyone...  MikeDevenney | 11/13/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  Mattster67 | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  Loverock Davidson | 11/12/09
get a lot of viruses?  maskman01 | 11/12/09
LOL... that's pretty backwards...  UAC nanny screen | 11/13/09
Sure sounds like fun, Larry.  Userama | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  newcomb@... | 11/12/09
Once infected, the best thing I've found  Spats30 | 11/12/09
31 messages and no talking about Apple or Linux!  TristanGrimaux | 11/12/09
Here you go:  itguy08 | 11/12/09
Quicker Fix  eric.cassol@... | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  timdp | 11/12/09
Backups daily  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 11/12/09
System restore doesn't affect your data.  ye | 11/12/09
System Restore  dchase@... | 11/12/09
Restore  timdp | 11/12/09
Well, other AV vendors aren't a whole heck of a lot better.  tronmech | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  dbreedlo | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  ANDREW.WISE@... | 11/12/09
I have to use Windows occasionally for work  oncall | 11/12/09
Windows at work, me too  45north | 11/12/09
Sorry, but this is undoubtedly user error...  calmarimaker | 11/12/09
Got to agree there  Lerianis10 | 11/12/09
One has to ask just how desparate the user was to watch that video ...  de-void | 11/12/09
Sorry, but  jim@... | 11/13/09
aahhh bliss.... the fix is here  deaf_e_kate | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  computab | 11/12/09
what if my AV doesn't detect my malware sample?  Misccold | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  avdude15 | 11/12/09
Help me understand this  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  JBo | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  shanedr | 11/12/09
Inertia  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 11/12/09
If your going to spend money, Kaspersky ranks amoung the best.  invmgr@... | 11/12/09
Same story here at work. We're moving to Forefront.  mikefarinha | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  davidwtc@... | 11/12/09
I don't recommend any of the above products anymore  kborders | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  tranchuong21@... | 11/12/09
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RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  timdp | 11/12/09
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Mcafee and Norton  wizardb@... | 11/12/09
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I am writing this from Linux- with firefox and flash.  bendib | 11/14/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  wyse_tech2000@... | 11/12/09
Lesson I learned a couple years back  zenwalker | 11/12/09
could have been user error?  paladin2 | 11/12/09
Giggle!  Tsingi | 11/12/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  DaveMold | 11/13/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  jim@... | 11/13/09
Lovin my mac  Sean1964 | 11/13/09
...  MikeDevenney | 11/13/09
loving my Mac, Mike  Sean1964 | 11/13/09
RE: My scareware night and how McAfee lost a customer  Steveny Ballmer | 11/13/09
MacAffee is a virus  bizcad | 11/13/09
Combofix will remove it  cgarrett | 11/13/09
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