On mySimon: Buckyballs
BNET Business Network:
BNET
TechRepublic
ZDNet

August 17th, 2006

The skinny on desktop Linux

Posted by David Berlind @ 10:27 am

Categories: Digital Restrictions Management, General, Government, Hardware Infrastructure, LinuxWorld, Mobile, Open Source, Personal Technology, Software Infrastructure

Tags:

In Focus » See more posts on: GPL

There are all sorts of stories whirling around the Internet regarding the pros and cons of desktop Linux as well as its chances of adoption (or track record so far) that I thought I’d try to connect the dots to form a more coherent picture (well, perhaps a confusing picture).

Our thread starts at Tim Bray’s blog. Tim is Director of Web Technologies at Sun. But he’s also geeky enough to get anything to work on Unix or Linux, even if he has to hack something to make it happen. To give you an idea, one of the little known hacks Tim came up with is XML.  You know. The technology that makes anything interesting on the Web these days tick? Does iTunes work on WINE or will it work with iPods if it’s running in a Windows virtual machine on top of Linux? Yeah, like, he’s the co-inventor of it.  Anyway, Tim’s coveted Powerbook recently went down for the count when he tried to open a Word document and it took two weeks to get it repaired (sidebar: Tim’s not the only big time blogger to talk about crashing Macs. Saying "Yes Virginia, Macs crash too," Dave Winer tackled the subject earlier this week).

So, what do you do when your main system goes AWOL for half a month? Well of course! You do what Tim did: you load Ubuntu Linux onto a Sparc-based Ultra 20 system. That of course, was the first thing that came to my mind when my Thinkpad T42 went down for the count. I just didn’t happen to have an Ultra 20 laying around. Tim claimed this Plan B was involuntary (kind of like the subconscious response of his autonomic nervous system). 

But, in a series of posts that culminated with his return to the lap of his Powerbook’s luxury, Tim has been talking about his trials and tribulations with Ubuntu (widely regarded as one of the more revolutionary and promising versions of desktop Linux) and used two words — "wrangling" and "gyrations" –  in his last post that leap off the page as having long been (in my mind) desktop Linux’s key stumbling blocks.  Those two words perfectly describe every one of my attempts to work with desktop Linux. They may not apply to everything about desktop Linux and in fact, in the experiences of most people, only to very few things. But those things are usually so important that many people who are not nearly as capable as Tim see an uphill battle of wrangling and gyrating that’s not worth the effort. Tim, by the way, never got Flash to work on his setup [Somehow left in the clipboard but supposed to have been pasted here when I originally published: That said, Tim did lead off his latest My mac is back post with "On balance, the Mac experience is better. But Ubuntu is not that far behind, and it’s catching up."]

Our thread now switches to Eric Raymond, regarded by many as the father of open source due to, amongst other things, his authorship of The Cathedral and the Bazaar.  At this week’s LinuxWorld, Eric has apparently issued a gloomy report card for desktop Linux’s prospects unless certain compromises to bridge the gap between open source and proprietary systems are made very soon. Echoing in some respects the barrier problem when it comes to people without the know-how, time, or patience to wrangle or gyrate, The Register’s report of what Eric said goes something like this:

Raymond said the community is not moving fast enough to engage with non-technical users whose first-choice platform is either an iPod, MP3 player or Microsoft desktop running Windows Media Player…With iPod holding a massive market share and Windows Vista coming down the pipe, Raymond warned that Linux risks getting locked out of new hardware platforms for the next 30 years unless it proves it can work with iPods, MP3s and WMP….Raymond, a champion of all things open, said it is vital to the future uptake of Linux that the community compromise to win the new generation of non-technical users aged younger than 30…."The end of the 64-bit transition happens at the end of 2008. After that the operating system gets locked in for the next 30 years. I’m worried we are not doing enough to appeal to non-technical users. I’m worried we will be locked out of the desktop for a very long time," he said.

Massive market share? He wasn’t kidding. Today, InfoWorld has a story citing Apple’s share of US digital music player market at being larger than 3/4ths the entire pie:

Apple Computer continued to lead the U.S. digital music player market in the second quarter with a 75.6 percent share, according to the NPD Group….SanDisk followed Apple in the second quarter ranking with a 9.7 percent market share, according to the NPD Group, while Creative Technology took third with 4.3 percent of the U.S. digital music player market.

 

The ramifications of that sizable marketshare (which is similar in Europe) are not widely understood. Whether people want to believe it or not, Apple has a monopoly — one that’s harmful to the marketplace because of how certain technologies like desktop Linux are prevented from playing (more on that in a second). And it can maintain that monopoly — illegal according to US antitrust law — simply by refusing to license its DRM technology (which it is doing). Norway, Denmark, Sweden and France, all of whom want Apple’s grip broken, know what I believe to be true: at this point, market forces may be incapable of leveling the playing field and government intervention may be the only choice.

Back from that digression, I wasn’t there to witness Eric’s presentation so I’m not sure how deeply he delved into the underlying issues, but it must be noted there’s an unbelievably complicated subtext to what he’s talking about that has to do with Digital Rights Management (DRM).  The iPod/WMP angles are not to be underestimated.  Today, the primary channels for a la carte purchases of downloadable music and video (including full-length movies) are also channels (eg: Apple’s iTunes Music Store) that saddle their content with proprietary DRM copy protection technologies (eg: Apple’s FairPlay) that can only be unlocked with authorized software and devices. Not only doesn’t that authorized software exist for Linux, the lack of that software’s existence is what prevents the interoperation of Linux with devices like the iPod when it comes to the management and transfer of DRM-saddled content to those devices (question: Does iTunes work on WINE or will it work with iPods if it’s running in a Windows virtual machine on top of Linux?).

Every day, as consumers purchase more and more of that DRM-saddled content (there are endless stories that talk about the growth and success of Apple’s iTunes Music Store), the less and less viable desktop Linux becomes since it’s fundamentally incompatible with that growing "installed-base" of content.

Further exacerbating the problem could be the direction that the next version of the GNU General Public License (version 3, now in draft mode) takes with respect to proprietary DRM technologies. So far, in drafting new language for the GPL, the Free Software Foundation (keepers of the GPL), has taken a fairly rigid position that creates an oil and water relationship between DRM and GPL-licensed open source software. Linux (technically, "GNU Linux") is currently licensed under the GPL. But, with folks like Linus Torvalds (the father of Linux) recently promising to stick with version 2 of the GPL for licensing Linux, the new draft has flushed out some deep divisions within the open source community regarding the handling of DRM.

Eric’s "compromise" discussion apparently touched on 64-bit drivers as well. But the point is that the word "compromise" barely scratches the surface of what may need to happen for desktop Linux not to get severely marginalized given some of the current trends in consumer computing.

That said, not all the news regarding desktop Linux adoption, particularly among the younger generation, is bad news.  Under the auspices of its ACCESS program (Affordable Classroom Computers for Every Secondary Student), Indiana’s Department of Education is rolling out desktop Linux for access by more than 22,000 students.  According to CRN’s Edward Moltzen:

Mike Huffman, special assistant for technology at the Indiana Department of Education, said schools in the state have added Linux workstations for 22,000 students over the past year under the Affordable Classroom Computers for Every Secondary Student (ACCESS) program. And that could expand quickly with several new updated Linux distributions, such as Novell SUSE, Red Hat and Ubuntu….Huffman said he’s eager to get a read on student acceptance of Linux. In surveying one classroom last year, he asked a student what he thought of using a Linux desktop vs. a Windows desktop, and the student responded, "Who cares?"

Answer? OK, no big deal if it’s Linux in the classroom.  But take that machine home and get it working with that student’s iPod, and see how quickly the attitude changes 180 degrees from such indifference. 

Also on the younger generation front — albeit a generation of young’ns that’s less concerned about fashion and iPods and more concerned about access to the world — it looks like Thailand will be taking delivery of 530 laptops from Nicholas Negroponte’s One Laptop Per Child project.  Thirty prototypes will be delivered in October with another 500 to follow in November.  That makes Thailand the first country to acquire the OLPC laptops which as many people already know, run Linux. Should OLPC laptops make serious inroads on the global front, Microsoft and Apple could theoretically feel some heat.  According to a ZDNet UK story published in June:

"AMD is our partner, which means Intel is pissing on me. Bill Gates is not pleased either, but if I am annoying Microsoft and Intel then I figure I am doing something right," [Negroponte] said….Microsoft allegedly offered to build the operating system for the machine but was rejected by the OLPC project. Negroponte added that the project required an extremely scaled-down OS to enable the eventual machines to run at a decent speed, while using very little power. "About 25 percent of the cost of a laptop is there just to support XP, which is like a person that has gotten so fat that they use most of their muscle to move their fat," he said.

That has to be the quote of the year so far.  Desktop Linux.  Alive or dead?  You tell me.

  • Talkback
  • Most Recent of 223 Talkback(s)
Correct to a point...
But as it continues to progress...yes years in the making...it is easier to get such items to work. Currently dual booting on a Dell 6000 laptop, using the wireless, printing to my HP network printer... (Read the rest)
Posted by: compnstuff Posted on: 09/28/06 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
It is all about compatibility and interoperability. MS understands this all  DonnieBoy | 08/17/06
Ummm, bad idea...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
Hmmm  Edward Meyers | 08/17/06
A fool might make that assumption.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
I suppose that a business man would understand that MS will break antitrust  DonnieBoy | 08/17/06
Problem  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
You don't grasp competitive vs anti-trust.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/18/06
A crimminal  Edward Meyers | 08/17/06
One-way street  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/17/06
You didn't read it very well.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/18/06
A fool?  quux | 08/17/06
One Moment While I Catch Up  DannyO_0x98 | 08/17/06
A monopoly...  ccranfill | 08/17/06
Are you daft  Edward Meyers | 08/17/06
copyright is a monopoly?  htotten | 08/18/06
Indded it is a monopoly  Edward Meyers | 08/18/06
Read the Constitution  Update victim | 08/21/06
A monopoly is defined by market share, it can be gained legally, as with MS  DonnieBoy | 08/17/06
DonnieBoy, get a freakin clue  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
But they do hold.....  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
re: Ummm, bad idea...  Quebec-french | 08/18/06
You just don't understand Jobs...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/18/06
Harmful monopoly  tic swayback | 08/17/06
I have to agree tic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
Red Letter Day  tic swayback | 08/17/06
Scary isn't it??  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
Music and CD's  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
Variation on a theme  palmwarrior | 08/17/06
Not talent, but moral & technical issues  tic swayback | 08/17/06
Taking offense where none was given...  palmwarrior | 08/17/06
No offense, and not a crusade  tic swayback | 08/18/06
LP vs Digital  JCitizen | 08/18/06
yep ... I hear ya!  LilBambi_z | 08/18/06
Yeah but....  htotten | 08/18/06
Most?  tic swayback | 08/18/06
Keep in mind...  rapson | 08/18/06
True  tic swayback | 08/18/06
My tries at using Linux  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
In Agreement  wizardb@... | 08/17/06
You are 85% right  DarthRidiculous | 08/17/06
Can't agree...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
But what makes LAMP insecure?  Michael Kelly | 08/17/06
I didn't say hacked  DarthRidiculous | 08/17/06
Yes, that's a bit over the top.  code_flogger | 08/18/06
I won't flame, but I will offer some feedback  Michael Kelly | 08/17/06
Nuts and bolts?  darreno1 | 08/17/06
Some rebuttals  Michael Kelly | 08/18/06
Some of my own...  darreno1 | 08/18/06
first off....  ydubinsky@... | 08/21/06
I agree in part  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/18/06
SuSE was doing a GREAT job at closing the gap  Michael Kelly | 08/18/06
May I expand on that a bit?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/18/06
RE:I agree in part  richdave | 08/18/06
Right and Wrong  cyberscan | 08/20/06
I agree completely, very well said....  darreno1 | 08/17/06
linux experience  fencer | 08/18/06
I am learning Linux because...  JCitizen | 08/18/06
I think your out of touch.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/20/06
You are talking about less that30% of Microsofts income here.  B.O.F.H. | 08/20/06
Listen up children!  George Mitchell | 08/17/06
Cheap  TonyMcS | 08/17/06
cheap = limited to windows only you say?  ~doolittle~ | 08/18/06
So ... what's your product worth?  George Mitchell | 08/18/06
Not ready?  fencer | 08/18/06
a quick solution  Quebec-french | 08/18/06
I agree with most of your comments on this  clockmendergb@... | 08/21/06
And when the company is an unethical lawbreaker ...(NT)  Update victim | 08/21/06
Those applications  voska | 08/21/06
The two compelling reasons why I use Linux  deramin@... | 09/01/06
Correct to a point...  compnstuff | 09/28/06
DRM is a ruse  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
How can you be so wrong???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
Huh?  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
Sorry but no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
Ok, I want to play all my music on . . .  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
Where your argument falls apart.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/17/06
CDA format on CDs  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
Just remember  Michael Kelly | 08/17/06
Your storage shed isn't available for others to purchase  LilBambi_z | 08/18/06
Three responses, one answer  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/18/06
Not even close  Edward Meyers | 08/18/06
To No Ax  Michael Kelly | 08/18/06
Mike, sure they can  Edward Meyers | 08/18/06
They Are Forcing....  cyberscan | 08/20/06
Hmmm....  schoinard | 08/17/06
Microsoft has every right to lose money? Shareholders would disagree.  WinnebagoBoy | 08/18/06
DRM humDRuM  rodlum | 08/21/06
A reason is needed to make a change.  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
You wish.  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
I was agreeing with Eric Raymond.  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
Well, of course they are  John Zern | 08/19/06
Support costs  Anton Philidor | 08/19/06
It exists already  Edward Meyers | 08/19/06
And it's not free.  Anton Philidor | 08/21/06
Support costs  Edward Meyers | 08/21/06
It exists already  Edward Meyers | 08/19/06
Acceptable price isn't the issue  Michael Kelly | 08/17/06
Tolerance.  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
A change is needed to make a reason  ~doolittle~ | 08/18/06
In Reply  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
Nicele\y said, however, there should be no confusion  WinnebagoBoy | 08/19/06
The content companies...  Anton Philidor | 08/19/06
iPods?  Anton Philidor | 08/19/06
The Real Issue With Windows  cyberscan | 08/20/06
Not so bad.  Anton Philidor | 08/21/06
Worse than you think  Edward Meyers | 08/21/06
Linux and iPuds  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/17/06
Right, but most would want the official Apple application.  DonnieBoy | 08/17/06
why would anyone want that?  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
There's several packages actually  Michael Kelly | 08/17/06
So it's that easy?  photog7 | 08/18/06
please read what I said  Michael Kelly | 08/18/06
Correction to my previous response  Michael Kelly | 08/18/06
The point you're all missing....  bportlock | 08/17/06
Innovative thinking.  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
Nice swerve Anton...  bportlock | 08/17/06
Point 3 was part of my response.  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
On the contrary...  bportlock | 08/17/06
You included Munich and IBM...  Anton Philidor | 08/18/06
What is a "significant" cost savings?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/21/06
Not really  John Zern | 08/19/06
Re: Not really  none none | 08/20/06
*Sigh*  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
Perhaps...  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
With Apologies to D. Berlind (for being slightly off topic)  WinnebagoBoy | 08/17/06
circular reasoning  ~doolittle~ | 08/18/06
That story is from 2002.  Anton Philidor | 08/18/06
drop licensing, not teachers salaries  ~doolittle~ | 08/19/06
Another way for this visitor to approach things  cyberscan | 08/20/06
Whooliebacon  whooliebacon | 08/17/06
OneCare...  Anton Philidor | 08/17/06
Re: OneCare...  none none | 08/17/06
Re: Re: OneCare...  none none | 08/17/06
If I may suggest...  LazLong | 08/17/06
Tempest in a teacup.  LazLong | 08/17/06
Except  quux | 08/17/06
Talk amongst yourselves  D. T. Schmitz | 08/17/06
My experience with Linux and the iPod  Sabz5150 | 08/17/06
The issue is content  photog7 | 08/18/06
Linux's lack of iTunes is NOT a fault of Linux  Sabz5150 | 08/19/06
Explaining:  PhilippeV | 08/18/06
I don't get it....  Henrik Moller | 08/17/06
So what's the problem with Linux desktop?  swoopee | 08/17/06
Re: So what's the problem with Linux desktop?  none none | 08/17/06
"inelegant kludge"  TasteeWheat | 08/18/06
The inelegant kludge...  fencer | 08/18/06
Not quite...  TasteeWheat | 08/19/06
Exactly  TripleII | 08/18/06
Most people can't even install it.  photog7 | 08/18/06
Can't install it? Rubbish  Fred Fredrickson | 08/18/06
Two of the installs I mentioned above...  Henry Miller | 08/18/06
my experience is limited...  fencer | 08/18/06
Successul Desktop FreeBSD = Mac OS X  joemartn | 08/17/06
Agree  Mark Miller | 08/18/06
also a few comment on that  Quebec-french | 08/18/06
People deserve to be rewarded ...  mwagner@... | 08/18/06
Success is 'relative' ...  mwagner@... | 08/18/06
wrong equation  PhilippeV | 08/18/06
exactly  fencer | 08/18/06
It's a dead parrot  TonyMcS | 08/17/06
You have no idea what you are talking about!  linux for me | 08/18/06
Ummm wrong  TasteeWheat | 08/18/06
Ubuntu doesn't do that  fencer | 08/18/06
LOL, now lack of programs makes Windows better  TripleII | 08/18/06
...yet when I google "linux desktop" for news stories  ~doolittle~ | 08/18/06
Wow, 224 results?  TasteeWheat | 08/18/06
280,000,000, dipswitch  WinnebagoBoy | 08/18/06
I said google news search  ~doolittle~ | 08/19/06
You do have a point  zmud | 08/18/06
on the top of your head....  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
Pointed head? Ok, I am too bald to hide the point!  progon | 08/27/06
Linux is just in time  progon | 08/27/06
Why not install Linux over Windows I did  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
My computing needs are very complex  progon | 08/27/06
Poor kids probably don't use iPods  Mark Miller | 08/17/06
The Flash problem  pointwood | 08/18/06
How crucial is DRM support in the long term  mike@... | 08/18/06
mafia of DRM providers  PhilippeV | 08/18/06
It's too easy to crack  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
It's too easy to crack  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
It's too easy to crack  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
Linux Desktop vendors  cyber_rigger@... | 08/18/06
DeskTop Linux  turley.hayes@... | 08/18/06
desktop linux is more than usable  pfisher44 | 08/18/06
Linux as my desktop for 13 yrs  computer*guru | 08/18/06
What is this guy talking about?  hoiatl | 08/18/06
Converted 3 Years Ago  mlmcelt | 08/18/06
They Don't Get It...Really...  SetiRich | 08/18/06
Reply to my own post...  SetiRich | 08/18/06
Why Fedora or RH  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
That's your opinion.....  linux for me | 08/20/06
Opinions are like ......  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
I think that the whole point  Shelendrea | 08/18/06
iTunes, schmei-tunes  Brownshoe Sailor | 08/18/06
Desktop Linux. Alive or dead?  mustangj36@... | 08/18/06
DRM Issue  Edward Meyers | 08/18/06
Linux Desktops for Anyone?  DaveLG526 | 08/18/06
DRM means end of interoperability and end of innovation  PhilippeV | 08/18/06
The Sky is Falling - The End of the World  IceTheNet@... | 08/20/06
Two different issues ...  mwagner@... | 08/18/06
It is so much nicer . . .  WinnebagoBoy | 08/18/06
False Assumption In Article  TripleII | 08/18/06
Bleeding edge hardware and most linuxes  progon | 08/18/06
Linux for the Masses  markedman1132 | 08/18/06
This is just so wrong  jdudeck | 08/18/06
In keeping with GPL 2.0  mypl8s4u2 | 08/18/06
Linux = OS/2  jogiba@... | 08/18/06
No, Linux = Freedom  TripleII | 08/18/06
Which is the problem?  JDThompson | 08/18/06
You recall correctly  Edward Meyers | 08/18/06
There is no DRM problem  lostinlodos | 08/18/06
My Position on this  henkenm@... | 08/18/06
Have You Seen Business users  shaun86@... | 08/18/06
There is no BSOD  Edward Meyers | 08/19/06
Reply to article  rmarsha**3 | 08/19/06
I scared myself.............  Senlac_Hill | 08/19/06
Your well un-informed about Linux  IceTheNet@... | 08/19/06
Ubuntu - what a great idea!  pstarr | 08/22/06
girls too!  macoafi | 09/06/06
Windows/Linux hybrid  craftycorner@... | 08/23/06
Pre-installed Linux Vendors  cyber_rigger@... | 08/28/06
Desktop Linux  lawrence.keel@... | 09/05/06
iPods  macoafi | 09/06/06

What do you think?

SponsoredWhite Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

advertisement

Recent Entries

advertisement

Archives

Favorite Links

ZDNet Blogs

White Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

  • Smart Tech Expert advice on innovations in healthcare and the green technologies that make it happen. Find out more
  • Smart Business Discussion and advice on management issues that revolve around making your world smarter and more useful. More Smart Advice
  • Smart People The best and worst moves in the management and strategy trenches. Learn More