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November 20th, 2006

Novell and Microsoft enter into late night spitting match over $40M "IP payoff"

Posted by David Berlind @ 6:12 pm

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It's getting ugly. 

Something has apparently gone terribly awry in the recent legal pact between Microsoft and Novell. No doubt, as it was signed, hands were being shaken and there was some agreement over the messaging that would go out once the agreement was made public.

But now, the two companies couldn't be more out of lockstep. At issue? Why did the cash flows involve a $40 million payment from Novell to Microsoft. Novell has been very public about its belief that it is not infringing on any Microsoft patents. But Novell has yet to explain why, if it believed this, it has agreed to pay Microsoft $40 million. Is it not in recognition of Microsoft's intellectual property? Or is it? Is there copyright infringement? Trademark infringement?

Meanwhile, Microsoft has been saying the opposite: that this all about Novell respecting its patents. With all sorts of speculation flying about in the press about what could be going on, Novell CEO Ron Hovsepian as issued an open letter to the open source community. Even stranger, Microsoft has responded with a letter of its own saying that it appears as though the two companies are agreeing to disagree. First, Novell's letter. Then, Microsoft's response:

Open Letter to the Community from Novell
November 20, 2006

On November 2, Novell and Microsoft announced a significant, multi-part agreement to work together to improve the interoperability between Linux and Windows and for Microsoft to redistribute more than 350,000 subscriptions for SUSE Linux Enterprise to the Windows customer base over a five-year period. This agreement is at the heart of what IT users demand – to deploy both Linux and Windows, and to have them work well together – and many companies have spoken out in support of this new cooperation.

Customers told us that they wanted Linux and Windows to work together in their data centers, nd so we agreed to develop new technologies and standards in server management, virtualization and document file format compatibility. CIOs want to focus on their business, and they want their suppliers to focus on improving operating system interoperability. The Linux community will benefit from the creation and release of the open source code toimprove Linux's interoperability with Windows that will result from this agreement.

Our interest in signing this agreement was to secure interoperability and joint sales agreements, but Microsoft asked that we cooperate on patents as well, and so a patent cooperation agreement was included as a part of the deal. In this agreement, Novell and Microsoft each promise not to sue the other's customers for patent infringement. The intended effect of this agreement was to give our joint customers peace of mind that they have the full support of the other company for their IT activities. Novell has a significant patent portfolio, and in reflection of this fact, the agreement we signed shows the overwhelming balance of payments being from Microsoft to Novell.

Since our announcement, some parties have spoken about this patent agreement in a damaging way, and with a perspective that we do not share. We strongly challenge those statements here.

We disagree with the recent statements made by Microsoft on the topic of Linux and patents. Importantly, our agreement with Microsoft is in no way an acknowledgment that Linux infringes upon any Microsoft intellectual property. When we entered the patent cooperation agreement with Microsoft, Novell did not agree or admit that Linux or any other Novell offering violates Microsoft patents.

Our stance on software patents is unchanged by the agreement with Microsoft. We want to remind the community of Novell's commitment to, and prior actions in support of, furthering the interests of Linux and open source, and creating an environment of free and open innovation. We have a strong patent portfolio and we have leveraged that portfolio for the benefit of the open source community.

Specifically, we have taken the following actions:

â—? We have stated our commitment to use our own software patents to protect opensource technologies. (www.novell.com/company/policies/patent/).
â—? We have spoken out against EU legislation that would liberalize the standards for
granting software patents (www.novell.com/company/policies/patent/european.html).
â—? We offer indemnification to our Linux customers accused of intellectual property
infringement (http://www.novell.com/licensing/indemnity/).
â—? We have teamed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office and other
industry leaders to reduce the issuance of “bad patents” in the software area (See
www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1911979,00.asp).
â—? In 2005, we co-founded Open Invention Network (“OIN”), "an intellectual property company that was formed to promote Linux by using patents to create a collaborative environment." (See www.openinventionnetwork.com). Novell's substantial contributions to OIN were made to benefit not only ourselves, but also other Linux vendors, distributors and developers, and anyone else willing to commit not to assert their patents against Linux.

In closing, we wish to be extremely clear that Novell is committed to protecting, preserving and promoting freedom for free and open source software. We recognize that the community if open source developers is essential to all our activities in Linux, and we welcome dialog with the community as to how we can continue to work together toward these common goals.

Ron Hovsepian
Chief Executive Officer
Novell, Inc.

And here is how Microsoft responded (attributable only to a spokesperson):

Microsoft and Novell have agreed to disagree on whether certain open source offerings infringe Microsoft patents and whether certain Microsoft offerings infringe Novell patents.  The agreement between our two companies puts in place a workable solution for customers for these issues, without requiring an agreement between our two companies on infringement.

Both of our companies are fully committed to moving forward with all of the important work under these agreements.  The agreements will advance interoperability between Windows and Linux and put in place a new intellectual property bridge between proprietary and open source software.  Customers and participants throughout our industry will clearly benefit from these results. 

We at Microsoft respect Novell's point of view on the patent issue, even while we respectfully take a different view.  Novell is absolutely right in stating that it did not admit or acknowledge any patent problems as part of entering into the patent collaboration agreement.  At Microsoft we undertook our own analysis of our patent portfolio and concluded that it was necessary and important to create a patent covenant for customers of these products.  We are gratified that such a solution is now in place.

It's late. I'm not going to offer much in the way of an analysis. I'll leave that up to you for now. On thing is for sure, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

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Not so  Tim Patterson | 11/21/06
Not quite.  techboy_z | 11/21/06
Absolutely!!  techboy_z | 11/21/06
David, your first sentence here says it all...  Tony Agudo | 11/20/06
Novell can't request a Decl. Judgement  FamilyManFirst | 11/21/06
Interesting  clockmendergb@... | 11/21/06
questions  Eduardo_z | 11/20/06
If it turned out to be FAT, how would you "re-write" it?  Scrat | 11/21/06
It wouldn't be FAT, just an aspect of VFAT.  Zogg | 11/21/06
you do not  NemesisNL | 11/21/06
Something like that would most likely  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
I don't see how that would be a problem  voska | 11/21/06
No need, there are workarounds!  tiger99999 | 11/21/06
FAT patent is open to challenge....  techboy_z | 11/21/06
by formatting it as ext2...  galileon | 11/21/06
Yes, it looks like MS is getting desperate and has decided to start with  DonnieBoy | 11/20/06
MS are getting desperate? Oh clueless one  Scrat | 11/21/06
aahhhh and that's why  NemesisNL | 11/21/06
What's that got to do with it?  dave.leigh@... | 11/21/06
MS is the one that wanted the "patent" protection clauses, NOT Novel.  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
Desperation's not necessary where calculation will do.  dave.leigh@... | 11/21/06
Even if it was a calculated move to slow Linux adoption, it still means  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
(Yoda voice): ADDRESSED it, they have. hmMMMmm!!!  dave.leigh@... | 11/21/06
"Vista to run on less than 10% of world PCs by year-end 2007"  ~doolittle~ | 11/21/06
Well, Linux will be ahead of Vista!  tiger99999 | 11/21/06
10%? Buwahahahaha  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
That is an inaccurate measure of actual install base.  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
If there is no way to measure  Joeman57 | 11/21/06
First I never quoted a penetration number  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
So you can't really say he is not close?  Joeman57 | 11/21/06
Who is correct?  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
It sounds as though you're getting desperate, DB  John Zern | 11/21/06
So let MS tell everybody where the stolen code is. Oh, there might be a few  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
Who said anything about "code"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
Software ones do  voska | 11/21/06
The patents are implemented in the source code. Yes, with patents, you  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
Sorry, wrong as usual.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
And those functions can be rendered  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
There are often work arrounds that use a different algorithm, but have the  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
- SKIPPED -  nomorems | 11/21/06
Yeah, that's why Novell pays $40 MILLION.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
And why Microsoft responded in kind with a much larger amount  zkiwi | 11/21/06
You are missing the point  balsover | 11/21/06
I find it very interesting..  nomorems | 11/21/06
"as slimy as MS is back in the 80?s"  Ole Man | 11/25/06
Typical MS misinformation.  ITSa341@... | 11/20/06
A good deal for both sides.  Anton Philidor | 11/20/06
The real reason for the agreement is becoming obvious to all  Richard Flude | 11/21/06
Hmmm.... Ya THINK....!?  dave.leigh@... | 11/21/06
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Business context  Anton Philidor | 11/22/06
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query  vikas193 | 11/20/06
Read all about it....  bportlock | 11/21/06
Here is the answer...  owidder | 11/21/06
What did Novell expect?  Chad_z | 11/21/06
This won't be all roses for MS though. It give a lot of publicity to Novel,  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
Sigh, still wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
Sorry but you are wrong...  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
You need to read trhe entire thread.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
I did, seems you ability to comprehend a response is in question...  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
Right, the arrogance of "we can do no wrong, and besides noboidy cares".  DonnieBoy | 11/21/06
Sorry, your basing your claims on fell good rants.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
Oh yea, quote Fortune magazine...  Physco Dude | 11/24/06
"Dude, let me lend you a clue"  Ole Man | 11/25/06
Tis a clear case of  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
Lots of words but Novell is  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
Insurance  voska | 11/21/06
I agree, to a point...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
They told you...can you read?  techboy_z | 11/21/06
And yet, they didn't need to give away $40 Million.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
Well...  techboy_z | 11/21/06
Simple answer  Physco Dude | 11/24/06
"Let the lawyers deal "  Ole Man | 11/25/06
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I'm not sure where this figure is coming from...  Physco Dude | 11/24/06
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New development in Mikey's saga  luke_sg | 11/21/06
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Sensationalism sells  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 11/21/06
MS gets to use Linux code in Vista?  martin23 | 11/21/06
...and then Vista will be free!  tiger99999 | 11/21/06
More likely....  startx.jeff | 11/21/06
Linux code  amedina2006 | 11/22/06
$40 MILLION just cause Novell likes Steve Ballmer?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
companies make deals all the time not to sue each other...  doctorSpoc | 11/21/06
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 11/21/06
Microsoft gave Novell an up-front payment of $348 million.  B.O.F.H. | 11/21/06
Why is it significant?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
$40 million is a lot elss than $348 million.  B.O.F.H. | 11/21/06
Why is it significant?  hmcm@... | 11/22/06
If I were to hazzard a guess...  Zogg | 11/21/06
Zogg boy, if the tough questions bother you,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/21/06
$40 million - an investment perhaps?  ladyirol | 11/21/06
exactly...  doctorSpoc | 11/21/06
This is what is being paid for:  B.O.F.H. | 11/21/06
Yes, for *something*, but we don't know what.  Zogg | 11/21/06
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Its a Microsoft's unique claim to fame ...  George Mitchell | 11/21/06
Anyone dumb enough to make a deal  GoPower | 11/21/06
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Two questions.  Cardinal_Bill | 11/21/06
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