So Microsoft's Total Cost of Ownership, aka "Get the Farce"...
BanjoPaterson | 07/23/07
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Yes, you can have purpose built machine.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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Yes and No . . .
Basic Logic | 07/23/07
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CIO living in Dream World
tshinder@... | 07/23/07
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So are you
ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
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Macs own you!
sackbut | 07/23/07
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Don't be ridiculous
Dr_Zinj | 07/23/07
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He is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous
intrepi@... | 07/23/07
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They sure do. Try ordering a tower and building a Mac. Not an option.
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Try ordering a tower...
jasonp@... | 07/24/07
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Plugging parts does not equal Building
comp_indiana | 07/24/07
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I used to. My time is too valuable
ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
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Do you mean to tell me...
Stuka | 07/23/07
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I assure you Macs don't crash "on a regular basis"
labarker | 07/23/07
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I think you said it best!
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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You know I can live with that.......
Laff | 07/23/07
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I know you can.....
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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Funny.......
Laff | 07/23/07
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So you are the computer equivelent of the
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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A couple points here...
Laff | 07/24/07
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Jim
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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z_xuniL Low even for you
MacCanuck | 07/24/07
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You've got to lighten up
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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I am in limited agreement with you
intrepi@... | 07/23/07
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Actually you do own the hardware
voska | 07/23/07
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The crash myth
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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US Military runs on Dells pushing Microsoft...'nuff said
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Try reading...
jasonp@... | 07/24/07
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Not all
ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
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Not at all... for z_xuniL too
MacCanuck | 07/24/07
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Ancient history
xuniL_z | 07/25/07
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Point? You can't handle the truth
MacCanuck | 07/26/07
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Here's my point McCanuck
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
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If only you had a clue
MacKeyser | 07/25/07
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I have never read such a crock. This guy should be a politician...
Scrat | 07/23/07
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gestapo licensing tactics
frgough | 07/23/07
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Well if it is...
Scrat | 07/24/07
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.CRAP = Tied to MS
ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
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Did you actually read my post, or did the froth coming out of your mouth...
Scrat | 07/24/07
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and the future?
ivor.boaz@... | 07/23/07
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Read much?
Scrat | 07/24/07
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Crock
stanralph | 07/23/07
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Gotta be a joke...
Marty R. Milette | 07/23/07
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Gotta be a joke...
aussieblnd@... | 07/23/07
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Good lord! That means Linux is more compatible for you.
odubtaig | 07/23/07
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Fully compatible.
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
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So ABM that you didn't even get to the Linux part then, huh?
Scrat | 07/24/07
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I smell cherry-picking your lines out of the article
Dr_Zinj | 07/23/07
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Every 5 years is a problem for you?
Marty R. Milette | 07/23/07
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Maybe it's time to slow down, fix what's wrong
intrepi@... | 07/23/07
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PoC testing doesn't reveal support issues for large scale...
ye | 07/23/07
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I guess you missed...
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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It's B.S. because it doesn't make sense.
ye | 07/23/07
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You're slipping.
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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What's fake about it?
ye | 07/24/07
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BTW
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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Wow, i have to interject.
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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I didn't miss that part
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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Pot, kettle rendezvous?
Scrat | 07/24/07
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Please...
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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The irony
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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The bigger irony
MacCanuck | 07/23/07
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The irony is that this CIO thinks he can fix his
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
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Have you done any tests yourself or are you just
Laff | 07/23/07
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Ok Laff, post some
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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I would love to but for two problems the effort it would
Laff | 07/23/07
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Boy, that was the long way around
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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I have my talents and or skills...
Laff | 07/24/07
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Of course you do.
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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They try......they do try...heh heh heh
Laff | 07/25/07
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Why would they use Windows?
voska | 07/23/07
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Dear Mr. Angry pants.
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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Quality
voska | 07/23/07
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You are mistaken...and this analysis is seriously flawed.
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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And yet
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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Yeah, well
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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Just to be mean...
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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That is a wise decision
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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Wise in that
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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That works
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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Well
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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You are going to tell me what
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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He has more clue than you
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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Must have
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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Me, envy you?
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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On second thoiught
xuniL_z | 07/25/07
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Too many errors in your post to list
ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
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Great lack of intellect in your post.
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
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Great lack of intellect in your post.
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
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Mirror time for you once again
MacCanuck | 07/26/07
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so how should I take
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
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What recent TCO/ROI studies favor the Mac?
ye | 07/23/07
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Well...
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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you failed to read the story sequentially.
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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This is not a TCO or ROI study and it's "findings" are suspect.
ye | 07/23/07
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Ye is correct
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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So
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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By that "logic" Windows is the superior choice.
ye | 07/24/07
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Your obvious lack...
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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To the contrary ABMers often state management is incompenent.
ye | 07/24/07
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Yep.
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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Integrity?
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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Now you sound just like......
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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I'd suggest
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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I suggest you
xuniL_z | 07/25/07
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You obviously need a qualifier
MacCanuck | 07/24/07
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Nothing but strawmen from the ABMers
ye | 07/24/07
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I have to tell you
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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The only one...
zkiwi | 07/25/07
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well
xuniL_z | 07/25/07
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ye, nothing but excuses, delusion and denial
MacCanuck | 07/26/07
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If that were true MacCanuck
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
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Yeah
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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Actually....
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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I guess you would also dismiss these folk...
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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You are a genius.
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
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You have to phase in any new OS
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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yeah
zkiwi | 07/23/07
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He's buying some expensive iMacs for a segment, not for everyone
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Thatt's your take ..
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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What?
zkiwi | 07/24/07
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You completely missed the point of my post
Scrat | 07/24/07
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No, Scrat. YOU would make the better politican.
labarker | 07/23/07
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No, Scrat. YOU would make the better politician.
labarker | 07/23/07
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Well, maybe you should talk to him directly
intrepi@... | 07/23/07
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No, nor does the ill-thought out excuses of a CIO hell-bent on revenge...
Scrat | 07/24/07
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You're SO missing the point.
Resuna | 07/23/07
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Actually it is YOU that is SO missing the point
Scrat | 07/24/07
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I smell BS, too
mlindl | 07/23/07
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How long did it take you to come up with that pearl of wisdom?
Scrat | 07/24/07
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No BS -- The 2000 to 4000 server/FTE ratio speaks for itself. (nt)
Basic Logic | 07/23/07
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You're on the money!
Uber Dweeb | 07/23/07
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You're right, and as much as it pains me to agree with murph
Scrat | 07/24/07
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I smell a Microsoft Apologist, also full of BS
usc1801 | 07/23/07
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You are truly a professional
pcguy777 | 07/23/07
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This provides a real argument for Microsoft
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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If they do go that route
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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Windows embeded would be the obvious choice
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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I guess what I am getting at
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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True, it would be a real change in direction.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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"...third party MP3 players..."
msalzberg | 07/23/07
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How are the "zunes" selling?
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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I guess what I am getting at
aussieblnd@... | 07/23/07
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To be consistant!
Linux User 147560 | 07/23/07
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You missed a bit
odubtaig | 07/23/07
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Percisely
Len Rooney | 07/23/07
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You are the first to mention...
msalzberg | 07/23/07
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...and then some...
odubtaig | 07/23/07
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RE: This provides a real argument for Microsoft
joe6pack_z | 07/23/07
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The cost of maintaining Windows was found to be higher.
B.O.F.H. | 07/24/07
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Yes and no...
olePigeon | 07/24/07
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Microsoft is bad for your company
Mikael_z | 07/23/07
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Then by all means use something else
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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That free ride on Big Blue lasted for a while
Mikael_z | 07/23/07
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The article was a very poor example of ROI.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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No, it's an example of a move away from Microsoft
Mikael_z | 07/23/07
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If you think this task needs a
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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How about some facts instead of folklore?
ye | 07/24/07
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The WORLD is wrong?
dspeers@... | 07/23/07
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Right from the parrot's mouth.
John Zern | 07/23/07
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Ohhh snap!!!
James T. Kirk | 07/23/07
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parrot's mouth.
aussieblnd@... | 07/23/07
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Told you
Chad_z | 07/23/07
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And the vast majority say you are wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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Use of your own critical judgement
Mikael_z | 07/23/07
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Of course use your judgement and
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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Your right.
odubtaig | 07/23/07
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That ROI and TCO argument should be strong for a lot of people though...
Mikael_z | 07/23/07
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He hasn't saved a nickle.
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
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Except for his studies, that's true enough
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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re: told you
Badgered | 07/24/07
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Parallels and a Windows XP OEM license?
3D0G | 07/23/07
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As far as I know
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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I should've worded it better.
3D0G | 07/23/07
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The OEM clause is very loose
ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
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OEM licenses
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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He's still wasting money
jfp | 07/23/07
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A couple of side notes
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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I agree, a thin client was what was needed.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
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Dumb Terminals and a Mainframe
Marty R. Milette | 07/23/07
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For large single app environments
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
|

One server across the whole of america?
odubtaig | 07/23/07
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You don't need broadband for terminal services
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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Yes you do if you want to stay competitive.
osreinstall | 07/23/07
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You do not need broadband if you are running terminal services
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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Then don't be productive.
osreinstall | 07/23/07
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All I know
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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Different needs guy.
osreinstall | 07/23/07
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XP on Parallels is not really switching to Mac
Vesicant | 07/23/07
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Most ransitiions that I am aware of don't happen over night.
Laff | 07/23/07
|

Answer in Part - Virtualization makes it that much easier.
jjarman | 07/23/07
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Jada, Jada, Jada..Herrn Frantz can come back, ein 2-3 years...
Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 07/23/07
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Tru Dat.....:)
Laff | 07/23/07
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ZDnet, give us the truth on ROI
Len Rooney | 07/23/07
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If I can't blame BILL GATES...
Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 07/23/07
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Are you saying MS is always the "solution"?
Laff | 07/23/07
|
 
Huh?
Len Rooney | 07/23/07
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Hey Shade I hate to say I told you so....no i don't:P
Laff | 07/23/07
|

One deluded CIO does not a make a trend.
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
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The advantage of a VM
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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Superior hardware and Apple's software running in the background...
Mikael_z | 07/23/07
|
  
You call this a study?
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
|
  
You don't have to believe a thing I say.
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
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The trend has already started....
linux for me | 07/23/07
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Don't let facts get in the way of your conclusions.
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
|
 
I'll trake that bet....
Laff | 07/23/07
|

What about XP Compatibility mode?
xuniL_z | 07/23/07
|
 
What about it?
zkiwi | 07/23/07
|
  
You
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
|
   
Yes you are
zkiwi | 07/24/07
|
    
You proved it once again.
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
|
  
Why would anyone switch to OS X only to run XP in Parallels?
ye | 07/24/07
|
   
RTFA
zkiwi | 07/24/07
|
    
now.
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
|
     
What?
zkiwi | 07/25/07
|
     
GFR
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
|
   
Is compatability mode 100% fail safe?
Laff | 07/24/07
|
    
Yes.
xuniL_z | 07/24/07
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This is the same thing that has been happening to our company.
spikedstrider | 07/23/07
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Complexity?
stevets32 | 07/23/07
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The licensing costs
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
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I do not buy this
Crestview | 07/23/07
|

Doing "funny things"?
timyu | 07/23/07
|
 
Macs
Crestview | 07/23/07
|
  
13 years? You should be fired.
j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
|
   
Ask the 30 others
Crestview | 07/23/07
|
    
Translation...
Linux User 147560 | 07/23/07
|
    
You say you don't service them
zkiwi | 07/23/07
|
     
He did
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
|
     
Duh
zkiwi | 07/26/07
|
     
Good
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
|
    
You sir are an idiot
shawnspam | 07/23/07
|

Uh WHAT!?!
Laff | 07/23/07
|

You are an IDIOT
ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
|
 
Idiot?
Crestview | 07/23/07
|
 
Oh, BTW
Crestview | 07/23/07
|
  
We do that on imacs
j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
|
   
You are so typical
Crestview | 07/23/07
|
   
Just playing referee here...
3D0G | 07/24/07
|
  
What "6 industrial memory sucking applications" are those?
shawnspam | 07/23/07
|

Your suggestion is more ridiculous than XP
intrepi@... | 07/23/07
|
 
Support will continue
Crestview | 07/23/07
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flogging a dead horse
superfunkomatic@... | 07/23/07
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You missed a bit
odubtaig | 07/23/07
|

Whoops, that was a reply NT
odubtaig | 07/23/07
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Software? or Hardware!
techsupport@... | 07/23/07
|

Isn't that what they did?
odubtaig | 07/23/07
|

Businesses and most Americans
ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
|
Macs and PCs
trm1945 | 07/23/07
|
BS...not
3dtodd | 07/23/07
|
I would look closer at other failings in your company...
jgendi | 07/23/07
|

Re: ROI and support costs are not linear.
Basic Logic | 07/23/07
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Microsoft can learn a lot from Apple...
3dtodd | 07/23/07
|

Apple 0, Microsoft $150 Million
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
 
Are you on drugs?
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
  
Microsoft pulled Apple out of Bankruptcy
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
   
Apparently it's you...
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
  
Apple got the infusion and the software to stay alive
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
   
Only in your mind.
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
    
O spare me. Jobs himself admitted their survival depended on Gates and Co.
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
     
Only in your little mind.
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
   
Umm, do you have any idea...
msalzberg | 07/24/07
|
Re: stable.
Kobashrer | 07/23/07
|
Most enlightening part of article - re ROI
j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
|

Who?
Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 07/23/07
|

Yes, but like the commercials, it's five "cool" young guys.
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
I'd like to know more about this statement:
ye | 07/23/07
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So let me get this straight.
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
|

Correction
ShadeTree | 07/23/07
|
 
It's obvious why he has not
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
|
  
Wouldn't it be wise to wait until the app is re-written?
ye | 07/23/07
|
   
It's not wise to upgrade everything at once
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
|
    
You're talking nonsense. A is A, not A!=A
ye | 07/23/07
|
     
The 2nd A is not Windows
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
|
     
A is A, not C.
ye | 07/23/07
|
     
Ok
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
|
     
There was no mention of VM snapshots in the "study".
ye | 07/23/07
|
     
Intentionally obtuse it is then
Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
|
     
Yes, you are being intentionally obtuse.
ye | 07/24/07
|
     
ye wrong, Michael right
MacCanuck | 07/24/07
|
     
Re: ye wrong, Michael right
Michael Kelly | 07/24/07
|
     
The Apple is invulnerable foolishness again?
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
|
     
z_xuniL.. Please learn to read
MacCanuck | 07/26/07
|
     
MacCanuck, please refrain from double standards
xuniL_z | 07/26/07
|
   
RTFA
Fred Fredrickson | 07/23/07
|
    
Poor counter arguments
ye | 07/24/07
|
  
Empire Building
3dguru | 07/29/07
|
Sounds like the IT dept. sucked there
daMan25 | 07/23/07
|

Well for years that has been why peole bought PC's
Laff | 07/23/07
|
This makes more sense
joe6pack_z | 07/23/07
|
Downgrade rights
PB_z | 07/23/07
|
To the Author: ROI and Business Case Not Same Thing
gurg13 | 07/23/07
|

Guess you missed this
j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
|
 
Sorry Not ROI
gurg13 | 07/23/07
|
 
Where are the dollars?
Uber Dweeb | 07/23/07
|
Auto Warehousing Co. Has Departed From Reality!
Uber Dweeb | 07/23/07
|
"Few are actively documenting...a switch from Windows to the Mac" - I bet!
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|

Earth to Spaced out Cowboy...
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
 
Look Cupcake, in '97 Apple's stock was at 12 year low, CEO was being fired
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
  
I sure hope no one...
msalzberg | 07/24/07
|
 
You need to read Wikipedia a little closer
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
  
Listen there fanboi
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
   
Apple is a little gizmo company. iPods and iPhones keep them alive
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
    
What can you do without Microsoft?
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
     
You can't even run a decent video game on a Mac!
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
     
Not even close fanboi..
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
     
Funny how the argument...
msalzberg | 07/24/07
|

You are an IDIOT
ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
|
Can't wait to see this guy's problems when they do this migration.
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|

For most users it's not the OS it's the App....
Laff | 07/23/07
|
 
In their case, it'll be both
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
  
It's all in the original setup my man....
Laff | 07/24/07
|
 
And Pagan jim has the last word
johnpall@... | 07/23/07
|
  
Yeah, that's why Apple turned to Intel
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
  
You forget
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
   
Macs are becoming more Microsofty/PC-like, not vice versa
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
    
Nice try, but a lie is still a lie.
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|
     
You want to blame IBM for overpriced Macs now? Brilliant.
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
|
     
SpaceCowboyNJ How clueless...
MacCanuck | 07/24/07
|
Comparable Dell PC half the cost of iMac
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|

There is no comparable Dell to the iMac.
Tigertank | 07/24/07
|
All the windows fanboi's
Rick_K | 07/23/07
|

Give Ceasar His Due
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
|
 
a decent video game?
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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What's that two grand of Mac memory and disk space for? Running MS Word?
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Again you're clueless
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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Nah, it's a big world that uses PCs running Microsoft - over 90%
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Not that MYTH again.
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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Take it up with your own eyes and Wikipedia
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Do just that.
Rick_K | 07/23/07
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Dells, Toshibas, HP, Gateways, Alienware, IBMs...they don't ship w/ OS X
SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
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Religious zealotry...
jasonp@... | 07/24/07
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For some it's religious zealotry. For others...
ye | 07/24/07
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misconceptions abound
Narg | 07/24/07
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Then again, Sagacity abounds
Ole Man | 07/27/07
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It's just a single application
THEE WOLF | 07/24/07
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Keep your heads down..... The shills are out in force
Ole Man | 07/24/07
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Misleading story title...better alternatives
GeiselS@... | 07/25/07
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I noticed the peculiar absence of Linux too
Ole Man | 07/27/07
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Still some work to be done by the CIO?
8string | 08/03/07
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Why Switch to a MAC?
ceh4702 | 08/06/07
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You are all stupid to think that this matters enough to argue..Jeez, idiots
laura.b | 08/14/07
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Amen
dansen926 | 08/17/07
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