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July 23rd, 2007

Switching from Windows to Mac: The ROI case

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 2:24 am

Categories: Apple, General, Hardware Infrastructure, IT Management, Microsoft, Software Infrastructure, Vista

Tags: Apple Macintosh, ROI, Microsoft Windows, Larry Dignan

Auto Warehousing Co. CIO Dale Frantz says his decision to go from a Windows shop to one powered by Apple is based on time and labor spent maintaining Windows.

A week ago, I noted that Auto Warehousing Co. was switching to the Mac platform. The move, first chronicled by Computerworld, left a few loose ends on Frantz’s business case. The biggest loose end: I looked like Frantz was adding costs with an unclear return.

I emailed Frantz to get some more color on his decision. Without offering specific return targets he did tie up a the loose ends. Instead of interpreting his remarks and paraphrasing I thought it was best to let him tell it. Here’s his reply to my question about his business case for switching to the Mac on the front end of his infrastructure.

Our proprietary application (written and maintained in-house) is not Vista compatible. That was our first and foremost problem that we needed to solve. We have a client/server solution, with the client written in PowerBuilder, and Microsoft SQL Server on the back-end. There are no plans to move away from Microsoft SQL Server, only to rewrite the client app in Java.

That having been said, Vista is coming, and it is unclear how long we will be able to delay its introduction into our facilities. Our company is growing, and Microsoft says they will stop selling XP in any flavor no later than Jan 31, 2008. In any event, at some point in the next 6-12 months we will be unable to buy Windows XP pre-installed on a box anymore. This meant that we needed to develop a migration strategy for our application (which we have decided to recode in Java, which we anticipate taking 18-24 months).

All of our revenue-generating operations occur in an automobile shop environment, and the computers that run our application in the shop do not require any additional software (no Office, etc.). At this point it is only those PC’s (several hundred in the US/Canada) that we are looking at replacing with 17″ iMacs. There is no plan today to migrate our offices (HR, Finance, etc.) to Mac’s.

We did a study to analyze the actual cost of “Windows” maintenance and support. In part, we did this by asking our I/S Operations group to have their technicians log all support calls that were specifically “windows” related - windows crashed, locked up, driver errors, DLL failures, whatever. We also logged any additional time spent on any Windows maintenance. In other words, we tried to identify as best we could how many man-hours we were investing in simply the “care and feeding” of Windows to keep it up and running. When the analysis was complete, the results were unbelievable - simply unbelievable how much time, effort and money we were investing into the care and feeding of Windows on a PC. When you add that internal support cost into the ROI calculation for Macs the results were undeniable. There are those who would say that the Mac hardware is more expensive than a PC, especially when you add Parallels and a Windows XP OEM license, and if you stop there, that is true (but not a huge difference). However, when you throw the Windows support cost in to the matrix, the results fall drastically towards the Mac, based upon our estimates. Our proof of concept testing found that Windows running on a Mac in the Parallels virtual environment did not require the same degree of support as full-blown Windows PC’s - much less, in fact.

As part of my due diligence I have visited 2 companies that have between 10,000 - 20,000 Macs on their network. In both cases the companies have blended networks, supporting both Mac’s and Windows PC’s. In both cases Mac XServes were the controlling architecture. The network management tools and support software that Apple provides allows each of these companies to have fewer than five I/S support personnel. I have more than 5 just to support our fleet of Windows PC’s and related devices.

So, in summary, we found the true cost to support a single PC in the shop environment to greatly outweigh the minimal difference in hardware/software cost between a Mac and PC with Vista. It is our belief that we will achieve a significant savings with this move to Macs on the shop floor, as well as increase system reliability and user satisfaction.

Frantz added that his due diligence was the result of asking colleagues about their infrastructure. Few are actively documenting the results of a switch from Windows to the Mac so “industry networking is invaluable,” says Frantz.

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So Microsoft's Total Cost of Ownership, aka "Get the Farce"...  BanjoPaterson | 07/23/07
Yes, you can have purpose built machine.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
Yes and No . . .  Basic Logic | 07/23/07
CIO living in Dream World  tshinder@... | 07/23/07
So are you  ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
Macs own you!  sackbut | 07/23/07
Don't be ridiculous  Dr_Zinj | 07/23/07
He is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous  intrepi@... | 07/23/07
They sure do. Try ordering a tower and building a Mac. Not an option.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Try ordering a tower...  jasonp@... | 07/24/07
Plugging parts does not equal Building  comp_indiana | 07/24/07
I used to. My time is too valuable  ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
Do you mean to tell me...  Stuka | 07/23/07
I assure you Macs don't crash "on a regular basis"  labarker | 07/23/07
I think you said it best!  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
You know I can live with that.......  Laff | 07/23/07
I know you can.....  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
Funny.......  Laff | 07/23/07
So you are the computer equivelent of the  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
A couple points here...  Laff | 07/24/07
Jim  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
z_xuniL Low even for you  MacCanuck | 07/24/07
You've got to lighten up  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
I am in limited agreement with you  intrepi@... | 07/23/07
Actually you do own the hardware  voska | 07/23/07
The crash myth  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
US Military runs on Dells pushing Microsoft...'nuff said  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Try reading...  jasonp@... | 07/24/07
Not all  ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
Not at all... for z_xuniL too  MacCanuck | 07/24/07
Ancient history  xuniL_z | 07/25/07
Point? You can't handle the truth  MacCanuck | 07/26/07
Here's my point McCanuck  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
If only you had a clue  MacKeyser | 07/25/07
I have never read such a crock. This guy should be a politician...  Scrat | 07/23/07
gestapo licensing tactics  frgough | 07/23/07
Well if it is...  Scrat | 07/24/07
.CRAP = Tied to MS  ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
Did you actually read my post, or did the froth coming out of your mouth...  Scrat | 07/24/07
and the future?  ivor.boaz@... | 07/23/07
Read much?  Scrat | 07/24/07
Crock  stanralph | 07/23/07
Gotta be a joke...  Marty R. Milette | 07/23/07
Gotta be a joke...  aussieblnd@... | 07/23/07
Good lord! That means Linux is more compatible for you.  odubtaig | 07/23/07
Fully compatible.  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
So ABM that you didn't even get to the Linux part then, huh?  Scrat | 07/24/07
I smell cherry-picking your lines out of the article  Dr_Zinj | 07/23/07
Every 5 years is a problem for you?  Marty R. Milette | 07/23/07
Maybe it's time to slow down, fix what's wrong  intrepi@... | 07/23/07
PoC testing doesn't reveal support issues for large scale...  ye | 07/23/07
I guess you missed...  Rick_K | 07/23/07
It's B.S. because it doesn't make sense.  ye | 07/23/07
You're slipping.  Rick_K | 07/23/07
What's fake about it?  ye | 07/24/07
BTW  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Wow, i have to interject.  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
I didn't miss that part  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Pot, kettle rendezvous?  Scrat | 07/24/07
Please...  zkiwi | 07/23/07
The irony  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
The bigger irony  MacCanuck | 07/23/07
The irony is that this CIO thinks he can fix his  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
Have you done any tests yourself or are you just  Laff | 07/23/07
Ok Laff, post some  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
I would love to but for two problems the effort it would  Laff | 07/23/07
Boy, that was the long way around  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
I have my talents and or skills...  Laff | 07/24/07
Of course you do.  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
They try......they do try...heh heh heh  Laff | 07/25/07
Why would they use Windows?  voska | 07/23/07
Dear Mr. Angry pants.  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
Quality  voska | 07/23/07
You are mistaken...and this analysis is seriously flawed.  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
And yet  zkiwi | 07/23/07
Yeah, well  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
Just to be mean...  zkiwi | 07/23/07
That is a wise decision  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Wise in that  zkiwi | 07/24/07
That works  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Well  zkiwi | 07/24/07
You are going to tell me what  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
He has more clue than you  zkiwi | 07/24/07
Must have  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Me, envy you?  zkiwi | 07/24/07
On second thoiught  xuniL_z | 07/25/07
Too many errors in your post to list  ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
Great lack of intellect in your post.  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
Great lack of intellect in your post.  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
Mirror time for you once again  MacCanuck | 07/26/07
so how should I take  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
What recent TCO/ROI studies favor the Mac?  ye | 07/23/07
Well...  zkiwi | 07/23/07
you failed to read the story sequentially.  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
This is not a TCO or ROI study and it's "findings" are suspect.  ye | 07/23/07
Ye is correct  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
So  zkiwi | 07/23/07
By that "logic" Windows is the superior choice.  ye | 07/24/07
Your obvious lack...  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
To the contrary ABMers often state management is incompenent.  ye | 07/24/07
Yep.  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Integrity?  zkiwi | 07/24/07
Now you sound just like......  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
I'd suggest  zkiwi | 07/24/07
I suggest you  xuniL_z | 07/25/07
You obviously need a qualifier  MacCanuck | 07/24/07
Nothing but strawmen from the ABMers  ye | 07/24/07
I have to tell you  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
The only one...  zkiwi | 07/25/07
well  xuniL_z | 07/25/07
ye, nothing but excuses, delusion and denial  MacCanuck | 07/26/07
If that were true MacCanuck  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
Yeah  zkiwi | 07/23/07
Actually....  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
I guess you would also dismiss these folk...  zkiwi | 07/23/07
You are a genius.  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
You have to phase in any new OS  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
yeah  zkiwi | 07/23/07
He's buying some expensive iMacs for a segment, not for everyone  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Thatt's your take ..  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
What?  zkiwi | 07/24/07
You completely missed the point of my post  Scrat | 07/24/07
No, Scrat. YOU would make the better politican.  labarker | 07/23/07
No, Scrat. YOU would make the better politician.  labarker | 07/23/07
Well, maybe you should talk to him directly  intrepi@... | 07/23/07
No, nor does the ill-thought out excuses of a CIO hell-bent on revenge...  Scrat | 07/24/07
You're SO missing the point.  Resuna | 07/23/07
Actually it is YOU that is SO missing the point  Scrat | 07/24/07
I smell BS, too  mlindl | 07/23/07
How long did it take you to come up with that pearl of wisdom?  Scrat | 07/24/07
No BS -- The 2000 to 4000 server/FTE ratio speaks for itself. (nt)  Basic Logic | 07/23/07
You're on the money!  Uber Dweeb | 07/23/07
You're right, and as much as it pains me to agree with murph  Scrat | 07/24/07
I smell a Microsoft Apologist, also full of BS  usc1801 | 07/23/07
You are truly a professional  pcguy777 | 07/23/07
This provides a real argument for Microsoft  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
If they do go that route  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Windows embeded would be the obvious choice  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
I guess what I am getting at  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
True, it would be a real change in direction.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
"...third party MP3 players..."  msalzberg | 07/23/07
How are the "zunes" selling?  Rick_K | 07/23/07
I guess what I am getting at  aussieblnd@... | 07/23/07
To be consistant!  Linux User 147560 | 07/23/07
You missed a bit  odubtaig | 07/23/07
Percisely  Len Rooney | 07/23/07
You are the first to mention...  msalzberg | 07/23/07
...and then some...  odubtaig | 07/23/07
RE: This provides a real argument for Microsoft  joe6pack_z | 07/23/07
The cost of maintaining Windows was found to be higher.  B.O.F.H. | 07/24/07
Yes and no...  olePigeon | 07/24/07
Microsoft is bad for your company  Mikael_z | 07/23/07
Then by all means use something else  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
That free ride on Big Blue lasted for a while  Mikael_z | 07/23/07
The article was a very poor example of ROI.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
No, it's an example of a move away from Microsoft  Mikael_z | 07/23/07
If you think this task needs a  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
How about some facts instead of folklore?  ye | 07/24/07
The WORLD is wrong?  dspeers@... | 07/23/07
Right from the parrot's mouth.  John Zern | 07/23/07
Ohhh snap!!!  James T. Kirk | 07/23/07
parrot's mouth.  aussieblnd@... | 07/23/07
Told you  Chad_z | 07/23/07
And the vast majority say you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
Use of your own critical judgement  Mikael_z | 07/23/07
Of course use your judgement and  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
Your right.  odubtaig | 07/23/07
That ROI and TCO argument should be strong for a lot of people though...  Mikael_z | 07/23/07
He hasn't saved a nickle.  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
Except for his studies, that's true enough  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
re: told you  Badgered | 07/24/07
Parallels and a Windows XP OEM license?  3D0G | 07/23/07
As far as I know  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
I should've worded it better.  3D0G | 07/23/07
The OEM clause is very loose  ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
OEM licenses  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
He's still wasting money  jfp | 07/23/07
A couple of side notes  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
I agree, a thin client was what was needed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
Dumb Terminals and a Mainframe  Marty R. Milette | 07/23/07
For large single app environments  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
One server across the whole of america?  odubtaig | 07/23/07
You don't need broadband for terminal services  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Yes you do if you want to stay competitive.  osreinstall | 07/23/07
You do not need broadband if you are running terminal services  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Then don't be productive.  osreinstall | 07/23/07
All I know  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Different needs guy.  osreinstall | 07/23/07
XP on Parallels is not really switching to Mac  Vesicant | 07/23/07
Most ransitiions that I am aware of don't happen over night.  Laff | 07/23/07
Answer in Part - Virtualization makes it that much easier.  jjarman | 07/23/07
Jada, Jada, Jada..Herrn Frantz can come back, ein 2-3 years...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 07/23/07
Tru Dat.....:)  Laff | 07/23/07
ZDnet, give us the truth on ROI  Len Rooney | 07/23/07
If I can't blame BILL GATES...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 07/23/07
Are you saying MS is always the "solution"?  Laff | 07/23/07
Huh?  Len Rooney | 07/23/07
Hey Shade I hate to say I told you so....no i don't:P  Laff | 07/23/07
One deluded CIO does not a make a trend.  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
The advantage of a VM  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Superior hardware and Apple's software running in the background...  Mikael_z | 07/23/07
You call this a study?  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
You don't have to believe a thing I say.  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
The trend has already started....  linux for me | 07/23/07
Don't let facts get in the way of your conclusions.  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
I'll trake that bet....  Laff | 07/23/07
What about XP Compatibility mode?  xuniL_z | 07/23/07
What about it?  zkiwi | 07/23/07
You  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Yes you are  zkiwi | 07/24/07
You proved it once again.  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
Why would anyone switch to OS X only to run XP in Parallels?  ye | 07/24/07
RTFA  zkiwi | 07/24/07
now.  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
What?  zkiwi | 07/25/07
GFR  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
Is compatability mode 100% fail safe?  Laff | 07/24/07
Yes.  xuniL_z | 07/24/07
This is the same thing that has been happening to our company.  spikedstrider | 07/23/07
Complexity?  stevets32 | 07/23/07
The licensing costs  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
I do not buy this  Crestview | 07/23/07
Doing "funny things"?  timyu | 07/23/07
Macs  Crestview | 07/23/07
13 years? You should be fired.  j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
Ask the 30 others  Crestview | 07/23/07
Translation...  Linux User 147560 | 07/23/07
You say you don't service them  zkiwi | 07/23/07
He did  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
Duh  zkiwi | 07/26/07
Good  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
You sir are an idiot  shawnspam | 07/23/07
Uh WHAT!?!  Laff | 07/23/07
You are an IDIOT  ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
Idiot?  Crestview | 07/23/07
Oh, BTW  Crestview | 07/23/07
We do that on imacs  j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
You are so typical  Crestview | 07/23/07
Just playing referee here...  3D0G | 07/24/07
What "6 industrial memory sucking applications" are those?  shawnspam | 07/23/07
Your suggestion is more ridiculous than XP  intrepi@... | 07/23/07
Support will continue  Crestview | 07/23/07
flogging a dead horse  superfunkomatic@... | 07/23/07
You missed a bit  odubtaig | 07/23/07
Whoops, that was a reply NT  odubtaig | 07/23/07
Software? or Hardware!  techsupport@... | 07/23/07
Isn't that what they did?  odubtaig | 07/23/07
Businesses and most Americans  ITGuy04 | 07/23/07
Macs and PCs  trm1945 | 07/23/07
BS...not  3dtodd | 07/23/07
I would look closer at other failings in your company...  jgendi | 07/23/07
Re: ROI and support costs are not linear.  Basic Logic | 07/23/07
Microsoft can learn a lot from Apple...  3dtodd | 07/23/07
Apple 0, Microsoft $150 Million  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Are you on drugs?  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Microsoft pulled Apple out of Bankruptcy  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Apparently it's you...  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Apple got the infusion and the software to stay alive  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Only in your mind.  Rick_K | 07/23/07
O spare me. Jobs himself admitted their survival depended on Gates and Co.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Only in your little mind.  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Umm, do you have any idea...  msalzberg | 07/24/07
Re: stable.  Kobashrer | 07/23/07
Most enlightening part of article - re ROI  j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
Who?  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 07/23/07
Yes, but like the commercials, it's five "cool" young guys.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
I'd like to know more about this statement:  ye | 07/23/07
So let me get this straight.  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
Correction  ShadeTree | 07/23/07
It's obvious why he has not  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Wouldn't it be wise to wait until the app is re-written?  ye | 07/23/07
It's not wise to upgrade everything at once  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
You're talking nonsense. A is A, not A!=A  ye | 07/23/07
The 2nd A is not Windows  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
A is A, not C.  ye | 07/23/07
Ok  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
There was no mention of VM snapshots in the "study".  ye | 07/23/07
Intentionally obtuse it is then  Michael Kelly | 07/23/07
Yes, you are being intentionally obtuse.  ye | 07/24/07
ye wrong, Michael right  MacCanuck | 07/24/07
Re: ye wrong, Michael right  Michael Kelly | 07/24/07
The Apple is invulnerable foolishness again?  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
z_xuniL.. Please learn to read  MacCanuck | 07/26/07
MacCanuck, please refrain from double standards  xuniL_z | 07/26/07
RTFA  Fred Fredrickson | 07/23/07
Poor counter arguments  ye | 07/24/07
Empire Building  3dguru | 07/29/07
Sounds like the IT dept. sucked there  daMan25 | 07/23/07
Well for years that has been why peole bought PC's  Laff | 07/23/07
This makes more sense  joe6pack_z | 07/23/07
Downgrade rights  PB_z | 07/23/07
To the Author: ROI and Business Case Not Same Thing  gurg13 | 07/23/07
Guess you missed this  j.m.galvin | 07/23/07
Sorry Not ROI  gurg13 | 07/23/07
Where are the dollars?  Uber Dweeb | 07/23/07
Auto Warehousing Co. Has Departed From Reality!  Uber Dweeb | 07/23/07
"Few are actively documenting...a switch from Windows to the Mac" - I bet!  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Earth to Spaced out Cowboy...  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Look Cupcake, in '97 Apple's stock was at 12 year low, CEO was being fired  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
I sure hope no one...  msalzberg | 07/24/07
You need to read Wikipedia a little closer  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Listen there fanboi  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Apple is a little gizmo company. iPods and iPhones keep them alive  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
What can you do without Microsoft?  Rick_K | 07/23/07
You can't even run a decent video game on a Mac!  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Not even close fanboi..  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Funny how the argument...  msalzberg | 07/24/07
You are an IDIOT  ITGuy04 | 07/24/07
Can't wait to see this guy's problems when they do this migration.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
For most users it's not the OS it's the App....  Laff | 07/23/07
In their case, it'll be both  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
It's all in the original setup my man....  Laff | 07/24/07
And Pagan jim has the last word  johnpall@... | 07/23/07
Yeah, that's why Apple turned to Intel  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
You forget  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Macs are becoming more Microsofty/PC-like, not vice versa  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Nice try, but a lie is still a lie.  Rick_K | 07/23/07
You want to blame IBM for overpriced Macs now? Brilliant.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
SpaceCowboyNJ How clueless...  MacCanuck | 07/24/07
Comparable Dell PC half the cost of iMac  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
There is no comparable Dell to the iMac.  Tigertank | 07/24/07
All the windows fanboi's  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Give Ceasar His Due  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
a decent video game?  Rick_K | 07/23/07
What's that two grand of Mac memory and disk space for? Running MS Word?  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Again you're clueless  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Nah, it's a big world that uses PCs running Microsoft - over 90%  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Not that MYTH again.  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Take it up with your own eyes and Wikipedia  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Do just that.  Rick_K | 07/23/07
Dells, Toshibas, HP, Gateways, Alienware, IBMs...they don't ship w/ OS X  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/23/07
Religious zealotry...  jasonp@... | 07/24/07
For some it's religious zealotry. For others...  ye | 07/24/07
misconceptions abound  Narg | 07/24/07
Then again, Sagacity abounds  Ole Man | 07/27/07
It's just a single application  THEE WOLF | 07/24/07
Keep your heads down..... The shills are out in force  Ole Man | 07/24/07
Misleading story title...better alternatives  GeiselS@... | 07/25/07
I noticed the peculiar absence of Linux too  Ole Man | 07/27/07
Still some work to be done by the CIO?  8string | 08/03/07
Why Switch to a MAC?  ceh4702 | 08/06/07
You are all stupid to think that this matters enough to argue..Jeez, idiots  laura.b | 08/14/07
Amen  dansen926 | 08/17/07

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