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August 7th, 2007

Dissecting Firefox's retention woes

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 2:06 pm

Categories: General, Web Technology

Tags: Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Mozilla Corp., Larry Dignan

Mozilla says 50 percent of the people that download Firefox actually try it. And half of that group actually uses it actively.

That’s a major issue–and a surprising admission since the confession renders millions of downloads moot. As a loyal Firefox user that retention rate is just shocking.

Let’s examine some of the reasons why:

  • Bundles matter: IE comes with Windows and is prominent on the desktop. You also don’t have to do anything to use it with Outlook and other Microsoft apps.
  • People don’t switch: As long as IE and Firefox are comparable enough people won’t switch browsers.
  • And if people don’t switch they sure aren’t going to download a new browser or plug-ins as sometimes you have to with Firefox.

It’s safe to assume that these folks that download Firefox go back to IE just based on habit and market share.

Mozilla has created a 12 point plan to make Firefox a keeper to passers by (see gallery). Meanwhile, given how Mozilla gets paid this 12 point plan has to be a high priority project. If it could just get some percentage of folks to stick with Firefox it would pad the coffers a good bit. Mozilla is largely supported by search referrals to Google.

Here’s Mozilla’s 12 point retention plan and my prognosis :

firefox1.png

1. Change Firefox icon to resemble action of getting to the Web. Think an icon like the one on the left.

Will it work? Doubtful. Does anyone really use an icon just because it has a little arrow pointing somewhere?

2. Put the Firefox icon in a better location. Force the issue.

firefox2.png

Will it work? It sure couldn’t hurt. Being in the system tray matters.

3. Make default browser settings easier for users. Something like this:

firefox3.png

Will it work? Yes, this would work. But it rubs me the wrong way. Sort of RealNetworks-ish.

4. Big outbound marketing program driving brand recognition.

Will it work? Doubtful. Save the dough.

5. Improve download page and first run pages. Something like this:

firefox4.png

6. Improve support page.

Will it work? It sure can’t hurt.

7. Make plug-ins work out of the box.

Will it work? To me, plug-ins are the biggest drawback with Firefox. But overall the current process is pretty easy. But given the churn the plug-ins aren’t easy enough.

8. Make add-ons and personas more accessible.

Will it work? Doubtful. These folks that rebound back to IE probably don’t care about personas.

9. Make the Web feel more human.

Will it work? As a general rule, I’ve heard of worse ideas.

10. Improve messaging through communications channels.

Will it work? Personally, I can do without the PR. And it’s hard to believe that Mozilla can improve messaging. After all Mozilla just posted these poor stats and gave Microsoft some good ideas for IE, which uses Firefox as the roadmap anyway. Tabs anyone?

11. Stickier start page.

Will it work? Eh.

12. Change Firefox icon image to resemble action of getting to Web.

Will it work. Doubtful. No one is going to think Firefox equals the Web. IE has that vibe cornered.

Larry DignanLarry Dignan is Editor in Chief of ZDNet and Smart Planet as well as Editorial Director of ZDNet sister site TechRepublic. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: Dissecting Firefox's retention woes
We have been using FF 2 and 3 for several years now, and the ONLY reason IE is started is to do a download that FF can't handle. FF is the only way to go, as it can be personalized to meet my exact re... (Read the rest)
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You need to use Browser Stats  TripleII | 08/07/07
Good advice.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
LOL, not my cause  TripleII | 08/07/07
That's why half of downloaders do not install.  Anton Philidor | 08/08/07
Why would anyone use FF?  tonymcs@... | 08/07/07
What Angst?  TripleII | 08/07/07
I'll give you some good reasons  mdsmedia | 08/07/07
Obviously Opera isn't any better than Firefox, which is why...  Scrat | 08/08/07
It's a great browser!  CobraA1 | 08/07/07
re:It's a great browser!  owner@... | 08/08/07
Because FF is better than alternatives?  ejhonda | 08/08/07
Because FF is better than alternatives?  firemedic@... | 08/08/07
re: tabbed browsing  owner@... | 08/08/07
I find FF better  voska | 08/08/07
I Agree!  DarbyOhara | 08/08/07
Slow  Azriphale | 08/08/07
You're test fails  voska | 08/08/07
Funny  Freebird54 | 08/09/07
Don't worry about this guy! He just likes to stir the pot.  mwiley_z | 08/08/07
Let's see . . .  sackbut | 08/08/07
Because adblock has me spoiled. happy (NT)  3D0G | 08/08/07
Why would anyone use FF?  itsasony@... | 08/08/07
Huh  notsofast | 08/08/07
Because it has plugins  kamahl928 | 08/08/07
Perhaps not really the problem  Freebird54 | 08/09/07
Why don't they do that then?  kamahl928 | 08/09/07
Because IE blows  doctordawg | 08/09/07
IE problems and exploits (of course FF has them as well)  balaknair | 08/10/07
One reason is Add-ons!  phoneguy8099@... | 08/14/07
About #1 & #2...  PB_z | 08/07/07
Plugins, a "drawback" - how?? I love them!!  CobraA1 | 08/07/07
How many plugins break when upgrading between versions? (NT)  PB_z | 08/07/07
Recently, none. In the past, a few.  CobraA1 | 08/07/07
*you* may expect them to break, but average users don't  PB_z | 08/08/07
Firefox tells you this as well . . .  JLHenry | 08/08/07
Firefox does the exact same thing  CobraA1 | 08/08/07
None so far  Freebird54 | 08/09/07
Starts with a false premise  Cerowyn | 08/08/07
No better browser for Linux  Real World | 08/08/07
That makes the case even worse.  butler360 | 08/08/07
Right. Except.....  Real World | 08/08/07
And what does it mean, if most FF downloads are on Linux boxes?  cheesyone | 08/09/07
Tried it, went back to IE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/07
AdBlock & NoScript - IE has nothing as good  WiredGuy | 08/08/07
Try This  Real World | 08/08/07
A seperate download?  jasonp@... | 08/08/07
IE7Pro is not a Microsoft utility  Real World | 08/08/07
And FireFox...  jasonp@... | 08/08/07
Not the point  Real World | 08/08/07
I'll try it (NT)  WiredGuy | 08/08/07
Try using something up to date.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/07
Pot kettle black  voska | 08/08/07
Already have it - that's why I'm using Firefox  WiredGuy | 08/08/07
Very stable...  ken@... | 08/08/07
stable but not COMPATIBLE  gepo@... | 08/09/07
Try a recent version  voska | 08/08/07
It's not the software.  Anton Philidor | 08/08/07
nice anton, spoken like the sheep should be told...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/07
Your arguments favor IE.  Anton Philidor | 08/08/07
actually my arguments favor FF.  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/07
Oh Boohoo  voska | 08/09/07
Try doing this with IE...  phoneguy8099@... | 08/14/07
site rendering  owner@... | 08/08/07
Tried IE7, went back to Firefox happy  CobraA1 | 08/08/07
Folks, your not listening.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/07
Big, fat, hairy deal.  CobraA1 | 08/08/07
Hey, you like it, good on you, its not for everyone  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/07
Your personal opinion is "the world" now? lol. (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/09/07
No need to be part of the OS  voska | 08/09/07
KDE does  Real World | 08/09/07
To be clear  Real World | 08/09/07
Yes, I understand current paradigms.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/09/07
Usability  brucebwb@... | 08/08/07
Part-time  howiem | 08/08/07
Until...  epcraig | 08/08/07
OMG!  Confused by religion | 08/08/07
Too Funny!  Scrat | 08/08/07
re:OMG!  owner@... | 08/08/07
IE and/or FireFox  patgerdon@... | 08/08/07
Re: IE and/or FireFox  cheesyone | 08/09/07
#1 = #12  johnay | 08/08/07
Downloads  dvashgadol | 08/08/07
So change your options  sackbut | 08/08/07
All you had to do was go to tool options...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/07
All you have to do is . . .  JLHenry | 08/08/07
Firefox  HandsomeandCutie | 08/08/07
Firefox Use  aevans308@... | 08/08/07
Let's Get Real  mhayes_z | 08/08/07
re: code  owner@... | 08/08/07
Firefox  edwcon@... | 08/08/07
Using both...  jasonp@... | 08/08/07
If you use . . .  JLHenry | 08/08/07
Thank you!  cheesyone | 08/09/07
Change the playing field  yph@... | 08/08/07
Here you go . . .  JLHenry | 08/08/07
#1 - Make It Work! First time, all the time!  cd2_z | 08/08/07
Drupal.org not rendering on Firefox ?  mhenriday | 08/08/07
Drupal renders perfectly for me.  CobraA1 | 08/09/07
Wish faster  michael.owlman1940@... | 08/08/07
Needs to be more seamless ...  dkiehl777 | 08/08/07
Big Mistake No Java on Latest Firefox  jenninju@... | 08/08/07
Typo in my posting  jenninju@... | 08/08/07
Actually . . .  JLHenry | 08/08/07
Go to Sun's website and reinstall Java.  CobraA1 | 08/09/07
It's a security issue  JDThompson | 08/09/07
firefox.  merc2dogs` | 08/08/07
Ken, as I write this,  mhenriday | 08/08/07
Many downloads are web developers  russc@... | 08/08/07
Have to agree  RiggsFolly | 08/09/07
I disagree  CobraA1 | 08/09/07
I use it daily, but...............  Protector | 08/08/07
loyal FF user here -- BUT...  dogmo1001 | 08/08/07
50% retention for casual downloads? They're doing very well!  Resuna | 08/08/07
I'm a non-user  ds5929 | 08/08/07
Not as user-friendly  jdonley@... | 08/08/07
Is easy-to-use  aevans308@... | 08/09/07
Easy to use mean nothing...  Uncle Buck | 08/09/07
Issues with Mozilla  bioinfo-user | 08/08/07
Updates Suck  lfugate@... | 08/08/07
Ah, back to the Religion Wars...  lfugate@... | 08/08/07
quick answer is no  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/07
And I disagree!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/07
You forgot the "Everything Microsoft does is so perfect" camp (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/08/07
You have proven his point perfectly. Way to go... (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/07
He proved it himself in his first post  CobraA1 | 08/08/07
Too often, those "d/l'd it, tried it" brigade end up in the Opera forums  Scrat | 08/08/07
SO if we like FF...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/07
back to the article..  John_Doe69 | 08/08/07
Why it won't make a difference...  owner@... | 08/08/07
Foxy Fox  HapGail_HomeInMd@... | 08/08/07
Pay money to encourage to use it!  joemartn | 08/08/07
Not Until it stops crashing on XP  CZ52_98@... | 08/08/07
FF on XP  aevans308@... | 08/08/07
The Failure of FireFox  don_the_newbie | 08/08/07
Mozilla has a better browser than Firefox  gypkap@... | 08/08/07
huh?  johnay | 08/10/07
Firefox forever  xray17r@... | 08/08/07
Firefox,Opera  brush | 08/09/07
The White Elephant  royswan | 08/09/07
IE7 renders differently also  CobraA1 | 08/09/07
This effort is not needed.  Narg | 08/10/07
IE Craps out regularly  ernwes@... | 08/10/07
Firefox for ever!  jhcar77@... | 08/19/07
Using FireFox  t.reynolds@... | 08/21/07
Firefox  a40961_z | 08/24/07
Thunderbird  a40961_z | 08/24/07
RE: Dissecting Firefox's retention woes  THX 1138 | 08/29/08

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