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August 30th, 2007

Vista SP1: Indictment of Vista 1.0?

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 3:25 am

Categories: General, Microsoft, Software Infrastructure, Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows Vista SP1, SP1, Larry Dignan

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Microsoft’s announcement that it is preparing a Vista Service Pack 1 beta in two weeks is curious on many levels. Although Microsoft delivers improvements via service packs I can’t help but consider Vista SP1 a do-over.

When the SP1 lands in the first quarter of 2008 are we really getting what Vista should have been at launch?

Redmond would dispute that notion, but I wonder. After all, SP1 is chunky and we’re not talking just pleasantly plump. The list of bug fixes is long with stuff–better printer driver support, reliability with external displays, more speed copying files, improved log-on–you’d expect to be in the first go round.

Ed Bott writes the following:

For the beta release, you’ll need 7GB of free disk space to install the x86 version and 12GB of free disk space for the x64 package. (Most of this space is for temporary files and for the Vista image-based installer.) For home users with a reliable Internet connection, Microsoft plans to offer an Express update option that should require only a 50MB download; the stand-alone installer, which includes support for all languages and all Vista editions, checks in at a hefty 1GB. The final release might be smaller, but not much, if history is any guide.

Hmm.

And Mary Jo Foley cuts to the chase (Techmeme):

Microsoft still is telling customers not to wait for Vista SP1, and to proceed with testing and upgrades now. After hearing about what’s coming in SP1, I can’t imagine anyone planning to move to Vista not waiting for SP1.

When you look at the sheer volume of additions/fixes/etc. in SP1 you’d be a dunce not to wait for it before pondering Vista. In some corners, the SP1 is an indictment of the first Vista, which you could argue wasn’t ready for prime time in the first place.

Talkbacker Chas_2 sums it up:

“Finally! All the stuff that should have been in Vista at RTM time. Too bad it’ll be after the holidaze when it’s out; I could use it now!”

Meanwhile, Microsoft is also releasing the third service pack for Windows XP. That gives you two good reasons to hold off on Vista.

So what should you be thinking? Let’s crawl inside the mind of an IT executive.

Microsoft: We’ll announce this Vista SP1 on August 29.

What Joe IT is thinking: “Geesh, can’t a guy get a break. I’m on vacation at the beach and just happened to check my BlackBerry. Microsoft sure wanted to downplay this news.”

Microsoft: Let’s toss in an update on the Windows Server 2008 launch.

What Joe IT is thinking: “I barely noticed Windows Server 2008. Isn’t that delayed?

Microsoft: Some SP1 improvements have tradeoffs.

sp1.png

What Joe IT is thinking: “Tradeoffs? Is that like applications breaking?”

Microsoft: Organizations do not need to wait for SP1 to deploy Windows Vista; they are encouraged to begin their Windows Vista evaluation and deployment now.

What Joe IT is thinking: “Umm. Sure. Well I’m much more into a pilot today than I was before SP1. Maybe I’ll hang back a bit though. XP SP3 anyone?”

sp1a.png

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Microsoft "Innovation?"  pinroot | 08/30/07
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re: To be fair  M.R. Kennedy | 08/30/07
Vista - The Eric Cartman of operating systems  Chad_z | 08/30/07
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A Crock of Ish!  andrej770 | 08/30/07
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why so many unbelievable tyrannies existed  Ole Man | 09/01/07
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Squeaky wheel, ...  Mike Hunt | 08/30/07
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Oh yes it does!  Ole Man | 08/31/07
Most of the People are to lazy !  jackie40d@... | 08/30/07
I like Linspire, but...  andrej770 | 08/30/07
PEBKAC is mostly  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
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Though Not Required...  Max_in_OH | 08/30/07
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Two Things  aallord | 08/30/07
No one is forcing you to use MS products!  andrej770 | 08/31/07
A Crock of Ish! = blame the victim! - NT  raycote | 08/30/07
Someone PLEASE create a product which elicits NO complaints ever...  BitterFingers | 08/30/07
Actually, I would rather  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
But such blanket non-specific complaints such as appear here...  BitterFingers | 08/30/07
"The idiots actually think they have us convinced "  Ole Man | 08/31/07
Listening to rants and complaints is like listening to a nagging spouse.  andrej770 | 08/31/07
Replies to rants and complaints  Ole Man | 09/01/07
Well Said!  psylosyfer@... | 08/30/07
Rightly said ...  mandards@... | 08/31/07
And what are you paid?  Ole Man | 09/01/07
Critical Mass  rolf.ernst@... | 08/30/07
Taking the leap  deefburger | 08/30/07
OpenSUSE is fun for about a month...  Brakiss | 08/30/07
Such as?  deefburger | 08/30/07
*Some* serious shortcomings  rolf.ernst@... | 08/30/07
Alas even MainActor sucked.  odubtaig | 08/30/07
You said GAMES - ROFL  tonymcs@... | 08/30/07
Time will tell...  fr0thy2. | 08/30/07
Couldn't have said it better....shorter maybe  ess@... | 08/30/07
Cartman isn't always evil.  enduser_z | 08/30/07
Vista is pretty polished  Leria | 08/30/07
"need remediation"  jinko | 09/01/07
I have to question Vista-SP1 stability......  linux for me | 08/30/07
From the size of it  jackie40d@... | 08/30/07
Upgrading?  itpro_z | 08/30/07
Strange  cywelchjr | 08/30/07
You are so wrong  Ole Man | 08/31/07
Thanks! and in addition...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
50mb is not that big and thats how most will download it with the express  SO.CAL Guy | 08/30/07
50 MB no way  cjinsomniac@... | 08/30/07
50MB way  Kaiwai | 09/01/07
$100 too much for you ???  mswift@... | 08/30/07
You are so right!  Ole Man | 08/31/07
No, all businesses wait for ...  mwagner@... | 08/30/07
In all due fairness  Michael Kelly | 08/30/07
Well Written Post!  andrej770 | 08/30/07
In all due fairness  Ou Jipi je | 08/30/07
In all due fairness  aussieblnd@... | 08/30/07
There are alot of arguments for...  fr0thy2. | 08/30/07
In all due fairness...?  Resuna | 08/30/07
"Forced upgrade?"  laura.b | 08/30/07
Riiiiiiiight  Mike Hunt | 08/31/07
Well maybe.  darcyfreak | 08/31/07
Luckily we have you  Ole Man | 08/31/07
You make it so very difficult to not use harsh...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Who said it was forced?  andrej770 | 08/30/07
One thing I will say  Michael Kelly | 08/30/07
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2 years mainstream after "next version", then 5 years  PB_z | 08/30/07
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That's not a signed guarantee  Michael Kelly | 08/30/07
And yet...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/30/07
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Technically...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/30/07
Did you check the definition?  Ole Man | 08/31/07
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You can't compare  Michael Kelly | 08/30/07
So which is the Cadillac  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
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Its perpetual for all software that can ever get updated or has bugs  andrej770 | 08/31/07
Being update-able is one thing  Ole Man | 09/01/07
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I'm curious  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
Among other things ...  mwagner@... | 08/30/07
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I'm impressed...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
In all due fairness...?  Ole Man | 08/31/07
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Hey, if MS isn't meeting your personal expectations  Michael Kelly | 08/30/07
What is totally unacceptable is ....  ShadeTree | 08/31/07
You cannot compare Linnux distros with Windows  Ole Man | 08/31/07
Very typical of Steven Sinofsky  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/07
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Oh NO!!!!  TtfnJohn | 08/30/07
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Just what I was about to say!!!  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Reasonable consumer expectations...  Jeremy W | 09/03/07
Any features in the near future?  viruserZDNet Moderator | 08/30/07
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Saved heart-ache  aussieblnd@... | 08/30/07
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Wonderful stories  Ole Man | 08/31/07
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RTM?  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
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Another Answer:  mtg42 | 08/30/07
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Still DOA...  deefburger | 08/30/07
Training not necessary  laura.b | 08/30/07
As a programmer  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
You'd be surprised  laura.b | 08/30/07
I am not  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
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Not all users are created equal...  wpshea@... | 08/31/07
It's not Office...  deefburger | 08/30/07
There are hundreds of new features between the programs  laura.b | 08/30/07
Office 2007  rcfoulk@... | 08/30/07
I agree that ...  mwagner@... | 08/30/07
What happened to Windows 7 in 09?  marketmaven | 08/30/07
Windows 7 will deliver those things ...  mwagner@... | 08/30/07
aaaahhhhhh...so MS thought they'd get in a version..  mdsmedia | 08/31/07
re: What happened to Windows 7 in 09?  CobraA1 | 08/30/07
I agree  bobiroc | 08/31/07
Where's XP SP3?  Steve Goldman | 08/30/07
It's already been released.  laura.b | 08/30/07
news.zdnet.com just became a 404 error (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/30/07
Sound like a total REMAKE  jackie40d@... | 08/30/07
If you don't have it...  butler360 | 08/30/07
Cool!  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Only place you can get a choice  jackie40d@... | 08/30/07
free OS from Dell  mswift@... | 08/30/07
It's better than some router firmware I've used  butler360 | 08/30/07
It's better  aussieblnd@... | 08/30/07
i've not had many problems out of it a lot less than i did when osx first  SO.CAL Guy | 08/30/07
Restrictive Trade Practices - WGD  Mahegan | 08/30/07
So true...  Tialin | 08/30/07
Upgrade to Downgrade?  deefburger | 08/30/07
Sorry to shock you, but ...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
I just want the glitz.  trm1945 | 08/30/07
I LOVE YOU!  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Bash, Bash, Bash!!!  RanVol | 08/30/07
i don't think he knows how he plays to the ABM'ers RanVol as you can see by  SO.CAL Guy | 08/30/07
Bash, Bash, Bash!!!  aussieblnd@... | 08/30/07
Show me ONE feature worth writing about  deefburger | 08/30/07
Something constructive  SoberDub | 08/30/07
AAAAaaaaahhhhhh come on...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Constructive?? How about YOU say something constructive?  mdsmedia | 08/31/07
How about writing something constructive, for a change! ???  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Oh dear...  Tialin | 08/30/07
True, Vista was ready from Day 1  cnfrisch | 08/30/07
If I were a Microsoft shill  Ole Man | 09/01/07
XP SP3 or Vista?  itpro_z | 08/30/07
define: major upgrades  Mitch 74 | 08/30/07
really?  jjarman | 08/30/07
I'm GLAD MS is delaying Server 2008  WiredGuy | 08/30/07
... cannot be applied to offline images?  Resuna | 08/30/07
can we no longer slipstream the installer?  jjarman | 08/30/07
To an extent...  John L. Ries | 08/30/07
It would do us well to remember...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Having Used Vista...  blarman_z | 08/30/07
All This for Nothing  aallord | 08/30/07
Has any one tried  Mahegan | 08/30/07
Not with Vista, but I have with XP  Michael Kelly | 08/30/07
yes and i had no problems it activated and works like a charm (NT)  SO.CAL Guy | 08/31/07
MS says the OS is "married" to the computer  Ole Man | 08/31/07
Missing the point  smithkl42 | 08/30/07
Vista is OK  bobiroc | 08/30/07
Whatever happened  alaniane@... | 08/30/07
Why MS Fault  bobiroc | 08/30/07
The little things that niggle  Mahegan | 08/30/07
Huh?  bobiroc | 08/30/07
My experience is very similar to yours.  mwagner@... | 08/30/07
Better than Okay...it ROCKS  GeiselS@... | 08/31/07
Disappointment  dahlenu | 08/30/07
YAY I'm Waiting for XP SP3 and sitting pretty till 2009  jaszman | 08/30/07
Vista Upgrade?  walsten11@... | 08/30/07
My recommendation is to embrace Vista  mwagner@... | 08/30/07
Vista Upgrade  walsten11@... | 08/30/07
Office 2003  bobiroc | 08/30/07
office `2003 runs great in vista (NT)  SO.CAL Guy | 08/31/07
Decide for yourself...  Jeremy W | 09/03/07
Another blog based on clueless information.  ye | 09/03/07
It's not the "kind of tire," it's the size  laura.b | 08/30/07
Thats what you get when..  kurt@... | 08/30/07
NO WAY will I go to VISTA and Office 2007...  carlsf@... | 08/30/07
The Indictment of Windows Vista  cslape@... | 08/30/07
Another little money earner  tonymcs@... | 08/30/07
Oooooooooooh, Man?????  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
Why All This Ranting and Raving?  MasterJoe | 08/30/07
So Master Joe  Ole Man | 08/31/07
In all due fairness...???  3dtodd | 08/30/07
jschul464  jschul464@... | 08/30/07
GM pretty good stuff  psylosyfer@... | 08/30/07
Odd thing is,  jkm2a@... | 08/30/07
Who cares?  kraterz | 08/31/07
hang back a bit until SP3?  A.Lizard | 08/31/07
Vista User Class Action?  wwwsupport | 08/31/07
BORED now....:(  Laff | 08/31/07
Kind of like an article on Macs or Linux.  ShadeTree | 08/31/07
Agreed...but there has to be some room in a discusion  Laff | 08/31/07
Here is some constructive feedback on Vista.  ye | 08/31/07
Let me expand on that  John L. Ries | 08/31/07
Two things.  ye | 08/31/07
SP1  jon_schurmann@... | 08/31/07
How about a reccomendation from a long-time Windows user?  Ole Man | 08/31/07
Too bad M$ created an ABORTION  Old Timer 8080 | 08/31/07
What do we have to do to please you people!??  FSB | 08/31/07
Thankful  aleobul@... | 09/01/07
You're kidding, right?  metropolitim | 09/01/07
until..  n0neXn0ne | 09/01/07
The truth is out there!  FSB | 09/01/07
GOOD GOD!!! Vista deserves none of the bad press.  Solid Jedi Knight | 09/01/07
OK, I hate to repeat, but ...  Media-Ted@... | 09/01/07
You lost all credibility when you used "Vi$ta".  ye | 09/02/07
Again, Good God!  Solid Jedi Knight | 09/02/07
RE:Again, Good God! x-(  n0neXn0ne | 09/02/07
"something ... better than Vista"... uh XP?  T1Oracle | 09/02/07
Nothing you said matters.  ye | 09/02/07
just do a find $, replace [sS]  ruped24 | 09/03/07
That doesn't make him any less immature.  ye | 09/03/07
bashing Windows ME?  Ole Man | 09/04/07
Thank you! ... I was beginning to think...  Media-Ted@... | 09/05/07
I am totally amazed!  Media-Ted@... | 09/03/07
The point you make by using a $ instead of an S in MS and Vista...  ye | 09/03/07
Because maturity would lead you...  Media-Ted@... | 09/04/07
If your mommy and daddy had taught you any manners  Ole Man | 09/04/07
Yeah; what he said! Naaaaaaaahhhhhhh!  Media-Ted@... | 09/05/07
Can't please you people!  FSB | 09/03/07
I am sick and tired...  intj-astral@... | 09/03/07
Windows 98 To Windows ME  ceh4702 | 09/07/07
The question is: why are SPs so infrequent?  brian@... | 09/12/07
Not quite just bug fixes.  SID S-1-1 | 09/21/07
RE: Vista SP1: Indictment of Vista 1.0?  malibu009n | 04/10/08

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