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September 5th, 2007

Apple iPod Touch will cannibalize iPhone

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 11:15 am

Categories: Apple, General, Mobile, Personal Technology, iPhone

Tags: Apple iPhone, Apple iPod, Screen, Apple iPod Nano, Apple Inc., Shuffle, Larry Dignan

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Updated: Apple rolled out its much-anticipated iPod lineup Wednesday and an updated iTunes. A big part of that lineup is the iPod Touch, which is a nice end run around the iPhone due to its built-in Wi-Fi.

What’s the biggest hangup with the iPhone? The AT&T network that comes with it (see Jason O’Grady’s diary). The fix: Give customers everything but the phone part. Now watch the iPod Touch outsell the iPhone. Another notable thread: This iPod launch is the first installment of Apple’s touch screen halo effect.

First here are the nuggets you need to know via Engadget, Apple and Jason O’Grady :

  • An iPhone-ish iPod arrives: This iPod is dubbed the iPod Touch. It has the same UI as the iPhone without the phone. Screen is 3.5 inches. The Touch also has built in Wi-Fi. It also has Safari, YouTube and Google search. The 8GB goes for $299 and the 16GB costs $399. Apple statement on the Touch.
  • The 8GB iPhone is now $399, down from $599. Matthew Miller and Jason O’Grady lament the early adopter tax.
  • A Wi-Fi iTunes store available on the iPod and iPhone. Apple also partnered with Starbucks to identify and buy songs playing over your coffee. Apple statement on Wi-Fi iTunes and Starbucks.
  • The iPod Nano gets video: The Nano gets a significant overhaul with full metal design, 2 inch screen for video, games and a new UI. Battery life clocks in at 24 hours audio and 5 hours video playback. Statement on Nano.
  • The original iPod becomes the iPod Classic: A new version starts at 80GB with a battery life of 30 hours and 6 with video. There’s also a version with 160GB’s just in case you wanted to carry around 40,000 songs. The 160GB version will run you $349. Statement on the Classic.
  • Ringtones: iTunes will deliver ringtones via iTunes with a twist. You can buy a song and turn it into a ring tone. It’s 99 cents in addition to the song price. These ring tones work with the iPhone.
  • The Shuffle gets some new colors: There’s a red shuffle and a green one too. Same deal as the old ones: 1GB for $79.

With the basics out of the way let’s get to the good stuff. Apple’s iPod Touch will cannibalize the iPhone. My hunch is that most folks that bought the iPhone keep the phone part as an afterthought. Take a Wi-Fi enabled iPod, toss in a browser and the differences between the iPod and iPhone stop at the phone.

What’s really notable about the iPod Touch is that it totally reverses conventional thinking. When the iPhone launched the idea was that the iPhone would cannibalize iPod sales. As this plays out it’s going to be quite the opposite.

Update: Analysts notes are trickling in. Here are a few notable thoughts:

TBR:

TBR believes the new iPod touch is the first instance an important new product category, the mobile content platform. With aggressive iPod touch pricing and a radical price reduction of the iPhone, Apple is lowering the entry barrier for this new type of device. At the same time, the new line of iPods will rejuvenate the iPod line which had seen revenue growth flatten in recent quarters. And direct access to iTunes will strengthen Apple’s position in the content distribution market.

And.

Apple announced a partnership with Starbucks, through which users can used the Starbucks Wi-Fi hotspots for free access to the iTunes store. Starbucks’ Wi-Fi network is provided by T-Mobile and normally requires paid user subscription. TBR believes that, in addition to boosting Starbuck’s coffee sales, the iPod Touch will greatly increase the market for Wi-Fi hotspots and should provide a boost to T-Mobile’s hotspot business.

Bank of America:

To us, the most significant product announcements concerned the iPhone - 8GB now $399 vs. prior $599 and 4GB discontinued (likely less than 25% of mix). We believe the 8GB price reduction signals (1) unit sales are not living up to heightened original expectations and the ASP is now more in-line with other smart phones (2) possible positioning of its portfolio for a C4Q07 global (i.e. including the U.S.) launch of a 3G iPhone (vs. 2.5G now). Net, a lower than expected blended ASP likely in F2008 and F2009.

JP Morgan:

Overall, the event was largely in line with expectations with the exception of the price cut on the iPhone. This, coupled with the lower prices and higher capacities across the iPod line, suggests that gross margins could come under near-term pressure.

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Anyone remember the Treo 90?
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Oh, man....  BitTwiddler | 09/05/07
Actually,  nomorems | 09/05/07
It is also a video player!  ShadeTree | 09/06/07
I'll bet the Mac enthusiasts will come up with a way  xuniL_z | 09/05/07
Yeah, no one is going to buy the iDumbPod!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
They'll buy more of them than the ones you make.  mlindl | 09/06/07
space considerations, maybe?  Jack-Booted EULA | 09/05/07
Nice Ringtone scam  Real World | 09/05/07
Oops  Real World | 09/05/07
Could this be something other than Apple?  Laff | 09/05/07
I'm just not buying it (literally)  Real World | 09/05/07
Still using 8-track?  Mike Hunt | 09/05/07
Maybe so, but those days are gone  Real World | 09/05/07
buying again is convience  voska | 09/06/07
True  Mike Hunt | 09/06/07
But there's a difference...  Wolfie2K3 | 09/06/07
There's the scam though.  Wolfie2K3 | 09/06/07
Because it cost $0.50 more to buy it once  mlindl | 09/06/07
Still paying too much.  Dr. John | 09/06/07
Research?  Real World | 09/06/07
How does Nokia get away with it?  NonZealot | 09/05/07
I do the same thing with my BlackBerry.  nomorems | 09/06/07
Doesnt work with every phone  ARiggz | 09/07/07
See also nokia n800  richardh9935@... | 09/08/07
NOT! You paid for the song.  nomorems | 09/05/07
Actually no.  maldain | 09/06/07
Except...  Dr. John | 09/06/07
Fine  Real World | 09/06/07
Copyright issue  frgough | 09/05/07
So?  Real World | 09/05/07
Copyright??  yyuko@... | 09/05/07
Derivative works....  techboy_z | 09/05/07
Derivative?  Fred Fredrickson | 09/05/07
Not quite  Dr. John | 09/06/07
Or maybe they jump on you because  notsofast | 09/06/07
Two different agreements  Ken_z | 09/05/07
Look at it from the customer's point of view  Real World | 09/05/07
Look at it this way  Len Rooney | 09/05/07
If the consumer's view & the contract differ  Ken_z | 09/06/07
Good  Real World | 09/06/07
Actually it's not relevant to the issue  maldain | 09/06/07
Here's the flaw in your logic:  notsofast | 09/06/07
Re: Nice Ringtone scam  dlatkins | 09/05/07
Ringtone Software  lantzn | 09/05/07
Gee...ringtones can be make via an iTunes track SIMPLO MEFODO!  nomorems | 09/05/07
Here ya go skippy  SquishyParts | 09/05/07
Ringtones are obnoxious  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
(NT) Dueling Banjos is a favorite :o)  Jack-Booted EULA | 09/06/07
Not bad.. Smoke On The Water though is my fave... NT  Wolfie2K3 | 09/06/07
More like being an INDIVIDUAL...  Wolfie2K3 | 09/06/07
OMG! Personalization is bad!  ARiggz | 09/07/07
ALL ringtones are evil, kiddo.  JoshNorton | 09/06/07
It's cheaper than any ringtone you can buy...  comp_indiana | 09/06/07
RE: Apple iPod Touch will cannibalize iPhone  Right_Hand_of_god | 09/05/07
I won't get an iphone now  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 09/05/07
Wow!  bidemytime | 09/05/07
All About You?  Harry Bardal | 09/05/07
ipod touch is nice, but...  Tigertank | 09/05/07
but the 16Gig iPod and the 8Gig iPhone cost the same thing...  doctorSpoc | 09/05/07
All L. Dignan said  j.m.galvin | 09/05/07
Childish?  Harry Bardal | 09/05/07
If they REALLY . . .  JLHenry | 09/06/07
You have some nerve!!  NonZealot | 09/05/07
Tiresome  Harry Bardal | 09/05/07
"market share does not define monopoly . . ."  JLHenry | 09/06/07
"A monopoly" isn't the question, but "monopoly powers".  JoshNorton | 09/06/07
Isn't that what I just said????  JLHenry | 09/07/07
Do you just not think before you post anything?  JoshNorton | 09/06/07
Instead, it should be about Harry Bardal  GuidingLight | 09/05/07
Ironic  Harry Bardal | 09/05/07
What I see as ironic..  xuniL_z | 09/05/07
that may be true,  notsofast | 09/06/07
agree... $399 iPhone looks mighty attractive...  doctorSpoc | 09/05/07
16GB iPhone  lantzn | 09/05/07
3G network  lantzn | 09/05/07
RE: Apple iPod Touch will cannibalize iPhone  Ryan NaraineZDNet Moderator | 09/05/07
Huh?  Laff | 09/05/07
Naraine Fudamacher  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
If you only knew...  Ryan NaraineZDNet Moderator | 09/05/07
Yeah, there are millions of us losing our mp3s because of Safari.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
Exactly  Anon_ymous | 09/06/07
Hey I respect choice......and I applaud the use of said.  Laff | 09/06/07
Protect yourself!  Mike Hunt | 09/06/07
iPod Touch will cannibalize AT&T switchers but NOT iPhones  BurmaYank | 09/07/07
No, iPodTouch may cannibalize some AT&T switchers but NOT iPhones sales #s  BurmaYank | 09/07/07
iPod Touch? Touche, Zune will win...  Mike Cox | 09/05/07
8.0  bidemytime | 09/05/07
Squirting... Zune Style..  Wolfie2K3 | 09/06/07
He was being sarcastic, Wolfie . . .(nt)  JLHenry | 09/07/07
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!! 9.9, MIke!! (nt)  JLHenry | 09/05/07
Zune?  lantzn | 09/05/07
HAHA  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
Don't they have classes about that in High School Now? wink (nt)  JLHenry | 09/07/07
Squirt it where it counts  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
Overshadowed by the ZUNE $50 price cut  Paco20 | 09/05/07
Giving Mike Cox a run for his money I see...BRAVO!  Laff | 09/05/07
I agree . . .  JLHenry | 09/05/07
Yeah, the poor Zune  xuniL_z | 09/05/07
Yeah, two years  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
Poor Zunies. They just get a blog for their delusional rantings  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
It's going to take more than a good night's sleep  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
And the problem with that would be?  Laff | 09/06/07
You are more of a faithful than the rest. You look at it from Job's  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
These things aren't . . .  JLHenry | 09/06/07
I just find it hard to imagine there are that many  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
"A fool and his Money are soon parted" (nt)  JLHenry | 09/07/07
Perhaps . . .  JLHenry | 09/07/07
Let me clarify also....  xuniL_z | 09/07/07
Um did i mention the Zune?  Laff | 09/06/07
You were giving a  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
LOL! "serveral hundred on the shelves"  GuidingLight | 09/05/07
missed something big missing from iPod Touch.. no email client!  doctorSpoc | 09/05/07
Email on the iPod Touch  bidemytime | 09/05/07
i said that.. if you would read my post instead of just the title..  doctorSpoc | 09/05/07
My Bad  bidemytime | 09/05/07
SKYPE?  lantzn | 09/05/07
thought of something... no mic, no bluetooth...  doctorSpoc | 09/05/07
Much missing from iPod touch at the moment  mikebellman | 09/06/07
some of what you mention it already has, some agree, some could carel less  doctorSpoc | 09/06/07
You forgot to mention the $200.00 price drop on iPhone  IT_Guy_z | 09/05/07
That's silly. Phones are unnecessary?  UrbanBard | 09/05/07
Early Adopters  Len Rooney | 09/05/07
What does it mean when Apple cuts price drastically  xuniL_z | 09/05/07
It means they are now playing the cell-phone game  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
the mac next?  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
It would be silly to do so  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/06/07
Where are the iPhone sales heading? Why compete against itself?  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
Get R&D costs back ASAP  mlindl | 09/06/07
perhaps  xuniL_z | 09/06/07
That's what they said about the iPod a few years back:P  Laff | 09/06/07
whaaaaaaaa?  xuniL_z | 09/07/07
I got hosed on Nokia last year  mlindl | 09/06/07
RE: Apple iPod Touch will cannibalize iPhone  UrbanBard | 09/05/07
They also drastically needed a killer iPod upgrade  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
Only 160 GB!  THEE WOLF | 09/05/07
It won't cannibalize  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
Nice, but  Michael Kelly | 09/05/07
dwindling market?? are you insane?? NT  Non-Zealand | 09/05/07
I know my studies are unscientific, but  Michael Kelly | 09/05/07
The market's probably OK  j.m.galvin | 09/05/07
iPhone price drop  lantzn | 09/05/07
studies are scientific or they are not studies.  Non-Zealand | 09/05/07
Eternally waiting for the Welfare iPod model  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
Sticking with Classic  yyuko@... | 09/05/07
like your 1st comment about classic meeting YOUR needs...  doctorSpoc | 09/05/07
mini  lantzn | 09/05/07
Who really needs...  yyuko@... | 09/05/07
Fortune cookie says: Patience will bring peace-of-mind  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
I agree...  BitTwiddler | 09/06/07
iPhone vs. iPods  dlatkins | 09/05/07
iPhones Cost a lot more....  gurg13 | 09/05/07
Uh, because it's not an iPod....  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
that would be my point  gurg13 | 09/06/07
 nomorems | 09/06/07
Starbucks angle  dlatkins | 09/05/07
agreed  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 09/05/07
Starbucks/iPod card  lantzn | 09/05/07
Payment options  Prime Detailer | 09/05/07
A also agree  People | 09/05/07
T-mobile may not be as ironic as we think  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/05/07
I'll be getting a new Nano to keep at work and...  systemx | 09/05/07
Perfect but missing  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/05/07
Cannibalize? I doubt it.  Fred Fredrickson | 09/06/07
How did ZDNet miss the importance of the Starbucks deal?  mlindl | 09/06/07
IMHO this is second to last iPod Classic  mlindl | 09/06/07
Interesting prediction  Tigertank | 09/06/07
I hope not.  JoshNorton | 09/06/07
starbucks/itunes  likchan@... | 09/06/07
it won't cannibalize iPhone at all  llweiss@... | 09/06/07
"Touch" was cool...3 years ago  DoubleJava | 09/06/07
Because they make it useable???  Bruizer | 09/06/07
Hey, I gotta live with myself.  nomorems | 09/06/07
multi-touch is not even close to touch, + safari's exceptional small web  jjarman | 09/06/07
Me too!  nomorems | 09/06/07
If you think its expensive in the US then try the UK  ben.rattigan | 09/06/07
Clueless analysts bloviate nonsense to be heard  ewelch | 09/06/07
RE: Apple iPod Touch will cannibalize iPhone  rrpee@... | 09/06/07
Strange people those American consumers.  rhon@... | 09/07/07
Anyone remember the Treo 90?  Resuna | 09/08/07

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