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January 23rd, 2008

Apple iPods: Are we saturated yet?

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 1:58 am

Categories: Apple, Entertainment, General, Personal Technology

Tags: Apple iPod, Apple Inc., Unit Growth, Digital Music, Digital Media, Personal Technology, Consumer Electronics, Larry Dignan

Following Apple’s strong fiscal first quarter and conservative outlook the Monday morning quarterbacking is interesting. Some analysts think Apple was just being prudent with its disappointing (to analysts) second quarter outlook. Others see Apple as some sort of economic indicator, a take which is a complete joke. But one takeaway stood out: The maturation of the iPod market.

As a brief recap: Apple reported a great first quarter, but the outlook spooked investors. Now Apple’s results (Techmeme) are being portrayed as evidence of a slowing economy, which is laughable. David Morgenstern asks whether Mac, iPhone and iPod sales are really an economic barometer? Short answer: Nope.

With that out of the way let’s get to those iPod worries. Apple’s iPod unit growth was 5 percent–in the holiday season. Now that’s still 22.1 million iPods (the laws of large numbers are in play here). But Apple execs talked about the iPod being more than a music player signaling they want to reshape the worries a bit. Whatever category the iPod is in the fact is we all have three of them. Planned obsolescence only goes so far.

UBS analyst Ben Reitzes said the key for Apple is “the pace of the hand-off to the iPhone and Macs.” In English that means Apple need the iPhone and new Macs to drive growth since iPod sales are slowing.

Reitzes wrote:

Even though iPod demand is clearly worrisome, Macs continue to surprise to the upside, driving higher sales of software and peripherals as well.

Reitzes then raised his earnings estimates a smidge due to Mac sales. He projects flat iPod unit growth in the second quarter.

And flat is not good. In the first quarter analysts were looking for iPod unit growth of 16 percent or so. They got 5 percent.

Bank of America Scott Craig said:

iPod units were below our expectations, up 5% year over year (Y/Y) versus our 16% Y/Y estimate, with the U.S. flat Y/Y. However, ASPs were significantly better than expected (up 11% Y/Y versus our estimate of a 3.4% decline), due to strong adoption of higher-ASP iPod Touch. The modest iPod unit growth, despite the benefit from the new product introductions and product refreshes in September, and seems to indicate that this is a maturing market.

Other commentary was very similar, but some analysts said product transitions and international growth can refuel iPod sales. The big questions: Are iPod sales representative of anything scary? Are iPods a signal the consumer is spending less? Is there a GDP hit here? Can a pink iPod nano save the economy?

I’m joking about those questions because they are silly. But they will be asked–a lot. The only thing iPod’s unit growth reflects is that most folks have 3 of them already. And like Apple’s outlook, that 3 iPod per user guesstimate is conservative.

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I have no IPods. Nor do I have any kind of mp3 player. But yes, it is foolish to assume IPod sales growth equates to consumer market trend. People just can't keep buying IPods forever, but only as fas... (Read the rest)
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Apple is to economy what...  Mike Cox | 01/23/08
Way to toe the line!  BitTwiddler | 01/23/08
Oh, hell. It was Cox. Never mind...  BitTwiddler | 01/23/08
What, are you a newbie now? happy nt  JLHenry | 01/23/08
He just did not note the authors name before responding ..thats funny! - NT  raycote | 01/23/08
Too late  Michael Kelly | 01/23/08
AH.. the Emily Latella Moment... Classic..!  Wolfie2K3 | 01/23/08
Vista???????  ed777 | 01/23/08
Here, fishy, fishy, fishy . . . wink  JLHenry | 01/23/08
I this were Slashdot......  arminw | 01/23/08
Cox is hard  Len Rooney | 01/23/08
I Agree With This Comment  grail@... | 01/23/08
Saturated with iPods?  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Not me.  JLHenry | 01/23/08
Is that you Tom Brady!?!  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Tom Brady  Rick_K | 01/24/08
No mistake it's a given he's gonna have 4 soon enough!  James Quinn | 01/24/08
Tony Romo?  phatkat | 01/23/08
A better indicator of the economy I think....  BitTwiddler | 01/23/08
It's not completely saturated yet...  ejhonda | 01/23/08
I don't have one either  voska1 | 01/23/08
I have two, Buuuut . . .  JLHenry | 01/23/08
iPod is probably the worst media player you could get  NonZealot | 01/23/08
People bought windows because it was the system  James Quinn | 01/23/08
What is it about 800x480 that is hard to use?  NonZealot | 01/23/08
See Sometimes you make this too easy for me." now  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Haha! Now I get to use the Air defense!  NonZealot | 01/23/08
Re: Haha! Now I get to use the Air defense!  Michael Kelly | 01/23/08
It's all about balance my friend.  James Quinn | 01/23/08
You've never watched a single DVD in your entire life?  NonZealot | 01/23/08
I do watch DVD's off my Xbox360 at home....  James Quinn | 01/24/08
You are still looking in the wrong place  rarsa | 01/23/08
I have a PSP  NonZealot | 01/23/08
Why complain about PSP storage?  Mr_Dave | 01/23/08
Where have I complained about that?  NonZealot | 01/23/08
I bought an iPod because  labarker | 01/23/08
I bought creative ZEN because  pauliusp | 01/23/08
Sounds like an good device but not for the likes of me  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Yeah simplicity is what I want too  voska1 | 01/23/08
Ah simplicity like anything else is in the eye of the be holder.  James Quinn | 01/24/08
I don't have one either.  Wolfie2K3 | 01/23/08
We will save the US economy!!  bwavra@... | 01/23/08
Lessons to Learn - Customer ROI valuation  dascha1 | 01/23/08
Steinway - Pay Attention to Real Indicators  dascha1 | 01/23/08
How much does Apple make selling itunes?  Prime Detailer | 01/23/08
Probably not much  voska1 | 01/23/08
All hail the economic wizard.  frgough | 01/23/08
Wow!  James Quinn | 01/23/08
I'm one of those evil Republicans, and . . .  JLHenry | 01/23/08
Republican/Democrat short sighted and greed  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Maybe you should do some reading your view is a little simple! NT  raycote | 01/23/08
The problem is debt load  voska1 | 01/23/08
Grow up, that old tired left right polemic is so 19th century move on! - NT  raycote | 01/23/08
Wake up!!  techboy_z | 01/23/08
And people like you are being used by the fear of the  James Quinn | 01/23/08
The simple fact that NAFTA was endorsed by both parties  Bill F. | 01/23/08
You caused the jobs to be shipped overseas  j.m.galvin | 01/23/08
In the Wal of Mart world perhaps but not in the car  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Actually  j.m.galvin | 01/23/08
Well my big this is drug prices and after that but close  James Quinn | 01/23/08
I wouldn't blame the consumer  voska1 | 01/23/08
What are you smoking?  jediguard@... | 01/23/08
Ouch!  Len Rooney | 01/23/08
RE: Apple iPods: Are we saturated yet?  d_nc | 01/23/08
Why Ipod?  top100developers | 01/23/08
Innovation like the Air?  NonZealot | 01/23/08
Good point.  dchase@... | 01/23/08
Interesting....  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Good question.  dchase@... | 01/23/08
Tru Dat....  James Quinn | 01/23/08
define limited.  dchase@... | 01/23/08
Maybe, but...  jediguard@... | 01/23/08
Which is why Apple is not for everyone nor does  James Quinn | 01/23/08
I totally agree  NonZealot | 01/23/08
You and your codec moments...:P  James Quinn | 01/24/08
Marketing is good but nothing compares to customer  James Quinn | 01/23/08
apple tv  bspear@... | 01/23/08
Have you seen the bit rate for AppleTV HD content?  NonZealot | 01/23/08
Interesting all this guy did was say he has an AppleTV  James Quinn | 01/24/08
That is either serious trolling or plain simple! - NT  raycote | 01/23/08
I must agree  psion@... | 01/23/08
RE:  thenitewatch@... | 01/23/08
i like no frills  jmissale@... | 01/23/08
re: i like no frills  Lfraz | 01/23/08
Equation  jediguard@... | 01/23/08
There's a limit to how far you can advance any technology.  GrizzledGeezer | 01/23/08
iPods are turning into palmtop computers iPod touch lots a room to grow -NT  raycote | 01/23/08
More accurately...  Ginevra | 01/23/08
The iPod Novelty Has Worn Off  lmenningen | 01/23/08
iPods are turning into palmtop computers iPod touch grows users needs -NT  raycote | 01/23/08
What's really taking share away from the iPod  rynning | 01/23/08
GPS is must have?  RocketEater | 01/23/08
It CAN be - if it's done right.  Wolfie2K3 | 01/23/08
Now thats a must have for say what 2% of iPod listeners - NT  raycote | 01/23/08
That's true if you never leave the house  Michael Kelly | 01/23/08
I do...  RocketEater | 01/23/08
Must have?  rynning | 01/23/08
GPS is must have?  tzcannon | 01/23/08
You don't know where your at without the new GPS-iPod - NT  raycote | 01/23/08
RE: Apple iPods: Are we saturated yet?  alfeld | 01/23/08
Re: 1, 2, 3  Mike Cox, Sr. | 01/23/08
You don't understand the economy  The Rationalist | 01/23/08
There couldn't be a more obvious pattern.  buddhistMonkey | 01/23/08
Analysts suck  bastien@... | 01/23/08
3 per use??  techboy_z | 01/23/08
Logical Extrapolations for iPods and AppleTV  alieninvader@... | 01/23/08
Transcoding take too much HP Apple is working to the standard its MPEG4 -NT  raycote | 01/23/08
Apple's MPEG4?  McDave | 01/28/08
iPods are "so yesterday"?  Boxarox | 01/23/08
Three iPod's?  MalumRegnat\ | 01/23/08
Seriously, get out of your blogsphere bubble  apiercy@... | 01/23/08
Same U(BS) story before iPhone  justit1234@... | 01/23/08
Next article tell us about how money makes you a better person too  apiercy@... | 01/23/08
Not better person........  tzcannon | 01/23/08
3 per user???  Narg | 01/23/08
Looks like a nice paper weight, LOL  GoPower | 01/23/08
Apple's iTunes Income  tzcannon | 01/23/08
Hundreds of millions of people without iPods  jorjitop | 01/23/08
Goodie, I get to use the Air defense again!!  NonZealot | 01/23/08
gps  DannyO_0x98 | 01/23/08
No Linux  epcraig | 01/23/08
Bank of America  neil.postlethwaite@... | 01/24/08
3 IPods?  cardinal4 | 02/01/08

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