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March 5th, 2008

Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 4:09 am

Categories: General, Microsoft, Software Infrastructure

Tags: Operating System, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Research, Singularity Effort, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Larry Dignan

Microsoft Research has developed a non-Windows OS for academic types to play with. The subliminal message from Microsoft: Folks, we’d love to start from scratch with an OS, but we just can’t go there.

That connection between Microsoft’s research and actual company desires may be a bit of a leap, but not by much. Windows is saddled with a legacy code base to ensure that all of the old applications work even as Microsoft trudges forward. Simply put, that means Windows will never be perfect–it has to satisfy too many people. Unlike Apple, Microsoft can’t just start over. Apple built OS X and left its predecessor OS–and the applications that went with it– behind as a relic.

But Microsoft can dream can’t it? Along those lines, Microsoft Research made the code of an OS called Singularity available. It’s a proof of concept OS that features a set of tools, libraries and managed code. As Mary Jo Foley notes, Microsoft’s research gang was happy to build an OS that didn’t rely on 30 year old technology.

The Singularity effort raises a few interesting questions:

  • Could Microsoft start over with a new OS separate from Windows?
  • If Microsoft started over with Windows and didn’t have compatibility with older applications what would the corporate revolt look like?
  • Will Microsoft ultimately need a clean break from that monolithic Windows code at some point anyway?
  • When would you make such a clean break?

I’m not going to pretend to have the answers, but the questions do make you go hmm. Should Microsoft start over?

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QUite difficult baby....ha ha...:)
Not so easy for Microsoft...More than half of the world depends on Windows based applications , however inefficient it may be..The revolt will just push Microsoft back to sacks...from where it started... (Read the rest)
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Yes they should  jfp | 03/05/08
BZZZZT!!! Wrong Answer!!  aureolin@... | 03/06/08
Rethink it  shanedr | 03/06/08
good idea, built in XP, and DOS vitual machine, and create new os from  pcguy777 | 03/06/08
Gee, That sounds like what IBM did with OS/2  Update victim | 03/06/08
Isn't that a Mac with parallels or citrix?  royalef | 03/12/08
That would be sweet  tikigawd | 03/06/08
So Why Not Both?  drprod@... | 03/06/08
Build in backwards compatibility  DNSB | 03/06/08
Minor??  stan@... | 03/06/08
Your problem, not consumer's...  hejcb | 03/06/08
Brilliant  tikigawd | 03/06/08
Brilliant?  maldain | 03/06/08
As Your Blind Adherence to MicroShaft Exposes YOUR Narrow-Mindedness  drprod@... | 03/06/08
Adherence to what?  tikigawd | 03/11/08
Wrong.  stan@... | 03/07/08
The sky won't fall.  Larry the Security Guy | 03/06/08
No, it won't.  stan@... | 03/07/08
Hm. This is why it is wrong...  Jxn | 03/12/08
Microsoft should start over  cuulblu@... | 03/06/08
MS could EASILY start over....  bportlock | 03/05/08
Well Apple has done more than just change OS's  mrlinux | 03/05/08
Apple Schmapple  info@... | 03/06/08
Crabapple?  MultiPlatformer | 03/24/08
Clueless?  LiquidLearner | 03/05/08
your last sentence is the most important  bish023@... | 03/05/08
Learn to read....  bportlock | 03/05/08
You are clueless  pauliusp | 03/05/08
Something like 80% of all businesses  frgough | 03/05/08
Sorry, but you don't know small businesses  mwtimpe@... | 03/06/08
What?  giltjr@... | 03/06/08
OS Inertia  BRedmond@... | 03/06/08
Your mostly Right ^_^  macrocosm@... | 03/06/08
All too hard  ForestRacer | 03/06/08
Please, read before answer  Jxn | 03/12/08
Learn to read...  bportlock | 03/05/08
File formats are not even an issue.  stan@... | 03/06/08
Okay...  Average-IT-Guy | 03/06/08
You haven't noticed...  vulpine@... | 03/06/08
Vulpine  tikigawd | 03/06/08
Tiki...  vulpine@... | 03/06/08
That's why  Jxn | 03/12/08
No, he isn't  Jxn | 03/12/08
Freakin' Clueless  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/08
You are so -80th  Jxn | 03/12/08
The problem is not buying  alaniane@... | 03/06/08
Then of course, M$ could build a secure OS  Update victim | 03/06/08
They have  top100developers | 03/06/08
ROFLMAO (NT)  Update victim | 03/06/08
You can't  Jxn | 03/12/08
Uh... Right.  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/08
Simply leverage Virtual PC  setatakahashi@... | 03/05/08
Now that makes sense.  Palmetto | 03/05/08
Makes too much sense  brittonv | 03/05/08
You missed his point  Jxn | 03/12/08
That was my first thought  jred | 03/05/08
Leverage VPC  dnof | 03/05/08
Leverage Virtualization  schmandel@... | 03/06/08
Couldn't have said it better.  binaryspiral | 03/06/08
We have to do that now with Vista  arkware | 03/06/08
My customers will ask  stan@... | 03/06/08
No, they wont  Jxn | 03/12/08
Leverage HyperVisor  Drew F. | 03/06/08
Emulation, not viritualization  Jxn | 03/12/08
They already started over  fazalmajid | 03/05/08
"WINDOWS NT-OS/2"  Update victim | 03/06/08
Dot Net COULD be a "new start".  Steve Summers | 03/05/08
Singularity is not a "proof of concept"  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 03/05/08
This is a good thing  jpr75_z | 03/05/08
I can answer one of those questions.  Palmetto | 03/05/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  Matt Bolyard | 03/05/08
MS could start over and be in market in a year.  TripleII | 03/05/08
..in less than a year.  TripleII | 03/05/08
But Where's The Lock-in?  dumptux | 03/05/08
Apple is all about the vendor lock-in  GuidingLight | 03/05/08
Read My Comment More Carefully  dumptux | 03/06/08
Windows is fine or everybody have Stockholm syndrome  setatakahashi@... | 03/05/08
Huh?  vulpine@... | 03/06/08
microsoft, or aka microstiff!  astancius@... | 03/06/08
That was  Ole Man | 03/06/08
it's just a failed M$ project  Linux Geek | 03/05/08
Message has been deleted.  James T. Kirk | 03/05/08
It's my belief that solution is code emulation...  JohnMcGrew@... | 03/05/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  What_the | 03/05/08
Just support both OSs  coffeeshark | 03/05/08
Windows on life support.  Hates Idiots | 03/05/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  Tom in Toronto | 03/05/08
No need  jorjitop | 03/05/08
LOL!  GuidingLight | 03/05/08
Not quite..  vmaatta | 03/06/08
Only the Shadow knows !  rtirman37@... | 03/05/08
Legacy Lies  rtb | 03/05/08
Of course MS could do it.  frgough | 03/05/08
Maybe Microsoft can succeed where OS/2 failed....  sean_hando@... | 03/05/08
Most of OS/2's death  frgough | 03/05/08
You must be talking about the original OS/2  Update victim | 03/06/08
OS/2 died because of cheap hardware  setatakahashi@... | 03/05/08
My office used OS/2 & Windows on same machines....  sean_hando@... | 03/05/08
Move over MS , its a big (cyber) playground ...  herrwitt | 03/05/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  ewyatt | 03/05/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  X41 | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  X41 | 03/06/08
First paragraph is illogical  ejb78923 | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  LVKen7 | 03/06/08
A bit to Late for the Cause  Headspin | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  schmandel@... | 03/06/08
its actually simple  billw1234 | 03/06/08
correct!  richvball44 | 03/09/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  tony@... | 03/06/08
RE: ReactOS - Better Windows than Windows  JoeRJr | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  r_m_kirby@... | 03/06/08
Brings to mind  Ole Man | 03/06/08
Windows OS  dmhunter@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  atari8bit@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  salliemander63@... | 03/06/08
Let's look at this thing logically  vulpine@... | 03/06/08
OS/2 Warp  wolfsouls | 03/06/08
What's the point?  Skippy GG | 03/06/08
I wish all I needed was a good browser  wolfsouls | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  wolfsouls | 03/06/08
If only there existed an OS that...  PhilippeV | 03/06/08
Good points.  wolfsouls | 03/06/08
we can always dream.. lets take one issue  a.barry@... | 03/07/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  smarmybastard | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  srobbins@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  hejcb | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  me@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  Keywalker4God | 03/06/08
IF Microsoft were smart it would be here already  tomam | 03/06/08
it's easy to do. Especially when you are rich  adr5@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  bobwinners | 03/06/08
They may as well start over...  D. W. Bierbaum | 03/06/08
Microsoft should publish the code ...  tracy anne | 03/06/08
Re-Invent the Wheel...  Marty R. Milette | 03/06/08
Let's write an OS  BALTHOR | 03/06/08
Write an OS  DNSB | 03/06/08
Linux? Really?  sami_mina_@... | 03/06/08
Ya! Rly!  Mitch 74 | 03/10/08
Window ME isn't W2K, and XP isn't Vista..  JCitizen | 03/11/08
Re: Linux? Really?  gdltek1 | 03/26/08
Windows hint from Linux.  jcjones7@... | 03/09/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  yquinty@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  rrucker@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  steve@... | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  kevsan | 03/06/08
Why Not?????  Narg | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  rarsa | 03/06/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  victor.duncker@... | 03/07/08
Sooner MS dies the better!  wwwsupport | 03/07/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  slim@... | 03/07/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  jrussell29@... | 03/07/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  clifford.felder@... | 03/09/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from scratch  steve6375 | 03/12/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  Jxn | 03/12/08
A Non Programmers Perspective  CutTheBloat | 03/13/08
Sorry  CutTheBloat | 03/13/08
You're a fool  Spiritusindomit@... | 03/21/08
RE: Microsoft plays with new non-Windows OS; If only it could start from sc  Starfire77 | 03/26/08
QUite difficult baby....ha ha...:)  jimmijames_arrow | 04/01/08

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