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March 18th, 2008

Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 3:51 am

Categories: AMD, General, Hardware Infrastructure, Innovation, Intel

Tags: Performance, Intel Itanium, Core, Intel Corp., Dunnington, Nehalem, Performance Management, Processors, Servers, Human Resources

Intel outlined plans to produce six-core chips in the fourth quarter. The move is that latest salvo in a game to out-core AMD on everything. AMD finally gets its quad-core chip out the door and Intel moves to six. The future looks like this: Four cores, six cores, eight cores, 10 cores, 12 cores. Oh my. Who wouldn’t want all those cores?

core1.pngPat Gelsinger (see statement and PDF of presentation), Intel’s senior vice president and general manager of the chip giant’s Digital Enterprise Group, gave some details about the latest six-core chip called “Dunnington” and a new Itanium processor called “Tukwila.” Some reports went for the six-core news hook. Others, like News.com’s Tom Krazit, focused on software developers.

But like that annoying smart arse in the back of the room, I’d like to pose a question: What exactly are we supposed to do with six cores when we have barely figured out what to do with four? Yeah, we know. Smaller and faster (gallery right). If Intel wants to really get fancy, it’ll talk you in circles about multithreaded applications and parallelism. Just imagine what these multithreaded apps could do. The problem: Few software vendors have multithreaded apps. Microsoft is looking into it.

Simply put, the core wars just don’t bring that much to the table right now in terms of killer apps–unless you count virtualization as the thing that will get the masses enthusiastic. Intel’s server chip roadmap assault is really about running circles around AMD, tick tocking to new cores, and most of all preserving if not improving the average selling price of chips. All you have to do is buy more cores and figure out what they’ll enable later. Intel needs more cores to thump AMD. You may not need them.

This economic prism on the core wars gets a little annoying because it really puts the kibosh on great headlines. Consider the following:

Intel says:

Intel’s current 7300 chipset based platform combined with the Quad-Core Xeon 7300 processor is the industry’s virtualization platform of choice for MP servers. Dunnington is socket-compatible with the Caneland platform and will be available in the second half of 2008. Dunnington is the first IA (Intel Architecture) processor with 6-cores, is based on the 45nm high-k process technology, and has large shared caches. Another supported feature is FlexMigration technology, which allows a single compatible virtualization pool that supports live VM (Virtual Machine) migration across both 65nm and 45nm high-k Intel Core microarchitecture-based servers and 45nm-based servers. This provides investment protection as well as the option to choose the right server platform to best optimize performance, cost, power and reliability.

In English: Intel is moving to six cores to make AMD’s Barcelona irrelevant. On deck: The price squeeze.

Intel says:

Tukwila is Intel’s next-generation Itanium processor with four cores, 30MB total cache, QuickPath Interconnect, dual Integrated Memory Controller and mainframe-class RAS features. It is the world’s first 2 billion transistor microprocessor and is projected to deliver more than double the performance of the current generation Itanium processor.

In English: You can figure out what to do with this performance later. Tukwila sounds pretty damn good eh?

Intel says:

Nehalem will provide dramatic performance and energy improvements to Intel’s current industry-leading microprocessors. Nehalem is scalable with future versions having anywhere from 2 to 8 cores, with Simultaneous Multi-threading, resulting in 4 to 16 thread capability. Nehalem will deliver 4 times the memory bandwidth compared to today’s highest-performance Intel Xeon processor-based systems. With up to 8 MB level-3 cache, 731 million transistors, Quickpath interconnects (up to 25.6GB per second), integrated memory controller and optional integrated graphics, Nehalem will eventually scale from notebooks to high-performance servers. Other features discussed include support for DDR3-800, 1066, and 1333 memory, SSE4.2 instructions, 32KB instruction cache, 32KB Data Cache, 256K L2 data and instruction low-latency cache per core and new 2-level TLB (Translation Lookaside Buffer) hierarchy. These technical improvements will result in performance improvements as well as flexibility for a wide range of eventual products based on the Nehalem architecture. Gelsinger also discussed the new Tylersburg platform, which can be configured for both one socket High End Desktop (HEDT) and two socket (HPC and dual processing server) operation.

In English: Intel is trying to make you drool. One issue: None of us have seen the power of multi-threading in a software application we use every day. There’s no “I gotta have it” moment. Maybe Microsoft will figure something out, but by most accounts the company is just starting to get its head around multi-threaded apps. In the meantime, running Office faster isn’t much of a sales pitch.

Bottom line: Next time you get lured by multiple cores, think about Intel’s average selling prices. In the end, that’s what the core wars are about. UBS analyst Uche Orji is no dummy. In a research note, Orji isn’t drooling over six cores, eight cores or any other multiple other than Intel’s stock price.

Orji writes:

As Intel’s tick-tock execution strategy is based on building upon its prior generations, its upcoming Nehalem architecture builds on its current performance leading Core family. Most important with Nehalem is our belief that Intel will be able to raise average selling prices on its server processors by 9% in 2009 (vs flat in ‘08) based on a ~ 50% performance increase. Adding the secular trends to faster speed grades & lower power could result in ASP upside.

That riff roughly translates into more performance at a slightly higher price. It’s up to you to figure out what exactly you’ll do with more power.

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I can make use of 4 cores
Dual core for the consumer is nice. If you have three, even
better four would be ideal for me. That's about I would
want (for now).

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Oh please..  Prognosticator | 03/18/08
That wasn't the question  CodeCarpenter | 03/18/08
Same answer  Prognosticator | 03/18/08
not exactly the same  s_souche | 03/18/08
Still doesn't answer the question  rhomp2002@... | 03/18/08
Sorry - explanation on prior post  rhomp2002@... | 03/18/08
Hardware/Software Balance  Information_z | 03/25/08
Say what you will.. I have a need for them  nucrash | 03/18/08
Uh....right....sure dude.  legamin@... | 04/08/08
4800 to Q6600 ... yawn  NotParker | 03/18/08
I am a believer in well; 4800 AMD and 9850. anymore is not reality.  rtirman37@... | 04/01/08
yea right...  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
All my apps are threaded - yours are too.  Prognosticator | 03/19/08
Performance?  Dr. John | 03/18/08
My chip is bigger than yours...  Critical Mass | 03/18/08
On the usage of cores  s_souche | 03/18/08
your right, and my amd atholon 3400, w' xp, 2gigs or ram, rocks  pcguy777 | 03/18/08
Lousy article  oldsysprog | 03/18/08
good point, few remarks  patibulo | 03/18/08
Perhaps the main point  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 03/18/08
No perhaps wink  johnfenjackson@... | 03/18/08
Pressure...  Information_z | 03/25/08
On The Need of Multi-Cores and Current Software  serpentmage | 03/18/08
Special circumstances...  Information_z | 03/25/08
chicken or the egg ???  reliableIT3871 | 03/21/08
Wrong Question ...  johnfenjackson@... | 03/18/08
myArchitecture  johnfenjackson@... | 03/18/08
LTSP  Turntwo | 03/18/08
oh really?  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
or better yet..seach alients on SETI  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
I'll bet...  Information_z | 03/25/08
(Depth 36) Qxh7++  johnfenjackson@... | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  pjdr | 03/18/08
Is that enough to get your IT department  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 03/18/08
Vista Doesn't Do Quad Core  chessmen | 03/18/08
That's not true  Michael Kelly | 03/18/08
Yes Vista does quad core  NotParker | 03/18/08
All Vista versions, even the lowly Home Basic, support multiple cores  paulhinz | 03/18/08
False. On all counts.  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  casualgeek | 03/18/08
"What will I do?" Pay more for software  SysEng5 | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  rczeien | 03/18/08
Put them to good use ...  jfalgout@... | 03/18/08
General Question?  norb_houston@... | 03/18/08
That's about right  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 03/18/08
Im Sure.....  norb_houston@... | 03/18/08
Video is all for me...  Tech-Fun | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  kdbaumann | 03/18/08
SQL Server pricing is by socket not by core  pelsql | 03/26/08
Need It To Run Vista  itanalyst2@... | 03/18/08
6 cores for vista...  manoj@... | 03/18/08
Most users...  Information_z | 03/25/08
three minutes to start?  reliableIT3871 | 03/21/08
Interesting...  Information_z | 03/25/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  georgehawkins | 03/18/08
What to do with them? Licensing costs  voska1 | 03/18/08
Not sure what you are running....  DCMann | 03/18/08
Not sure what Microsoft does  voska1 | 03/18/08
right on..  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  m1j | 03/18/08
RE: I miss BeOS  Free_Thinker | 03/18/08
No downside here...  wolf_z | 03/18/08
Why build 32 bit CPUs, there is no software.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/18/08
Why build 32 bit CPUs, there is no software.  Oregon_Polar | 03/18/08
Cores is the new GHz.  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
Indeed, and quite a few are buying into it...  neoanderthal | 03/18/08
re: Indeed, and quite a few are buying into it...  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
Really?  neoanderthal | 03/18/08
Hybrids count.  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
Darn Tooting, Neoanderthal  wolf_z | 03/18/08
There can be some single user benefits as well.  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
six cores is like six-pack abs.....  samsonkg | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  realneil@... | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  fho | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  De Nada | 03/18/08
Many times  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
Wrong place . . .  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  paulhinz | 03/18/08
six-cores this year; how many next year?  pikeman666@... | 03/18/08
thats whats going to happen  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
BOINC them baby, BOINC them!  power_unit@... | 03/18/08
If you are not involved, why not?  paulhinz | 03/18/08
Lame excuse  power_unit@... | 03/18/08
Then you fix it  paulhinz | 03/18/08
Software  paulhinz | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  frank.casey@... | 03/18/08
6 cores = virtual girlfriend  croberts | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  psbecker@... | 03/18/08
os multicore support...  s_souche | 03/18/08
DEC Alpha's Had 16 "Cores"  lmenningen | 03/18/08
Yes and no  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
oh and the OS simply codes itself uh..  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
Six cores to fool?  xTalk | 03/18/08
no use at the moment  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
time required for transition...  zeshu@... | 03/18/08
AMD is on the right track  GeiselS@... | 03/18/08
Multi-tasking?  John Jay | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  ceh4702 | 03/18/08
Do you really want that?  nucrash | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  DJJazzyJeff | 03/18/08
Master Joe Says.  MasterJoe | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  afalouth@... | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  afalouth@... | 03/18/08
What will you do with them? Smoothly run your OS's background tasks.  v-stlowe@... | 03/18/08
Vista DOES Quad core  NotParker | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  reasonableman | 03/18/08
This is very likely to be the future.  CobraA1 | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  hkommedal | 03/18/08
Actually, virtualization IS a big deal here...  sid@... | 03/18/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  Four-Eyes | 03/18/08
The ultimate goal is 8+ Cores  wwwsupport | 03/19/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  heinz123 | 03/19/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year?  RandyM55 | 03/19/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  winlev@... | 03/19/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  JeffBeck | 03/19/08
Dual core sure, anything else, diminishing returns  betelgeuse68 | 03/19/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  cupboard@... | 03/19/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  imvp | 03/19/08
Forget numbers  3dguru | 03/20/08
We may not need them now...  John Musbach | 03/22/08
Is it Intel's fault ?  Web Smart | 03/22/08
The article...  Information_z | 03/25/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year; What will you do with them?  server cpu guy | 04/08/08
RE: Intel moving to six-cores this year: Why I don't need them.  legamin@... | 04/08/08
I can make use of 4 cores  betelgeuse68 | 04/16/08

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