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March 24th, 2008

Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 2:21 am

Categories: Apple, General, Open Source, Web Technology

Tags: Google Inc., Apple Safari, Apple Inc., Google Search, Mozilla Corp., Web Browsers, Digital Music, Digital Media, Internet, Personal Technology

Updated: Apple pushes Safari to you when you update iTunes. Mozilla CEO John Lilly blasted the move. Meanwhile, there’s enough hubbub to last a few weeks over these dueling point of views. But what this spat really comes down to is Google and the fees it pays to be the lead search dog within browsers.

A few quick thoughts:

  • The fact Apple is pushing Safari via its iTunes updates isn’t surprising. In fact, Apple told you that this was going to be its move with Safari for Windows. In this respect, Apple is no different than any other software vendor that always tries to push you a bundle. Nefarious? Hardly. It’s just Apple trying to grab more share. Ultimately, you are responsible for what you install.
  • So why the Mozilla hubbub? Firefox has more than a third of the browser market. If Apple leverages iTunes and the software update bundle Safari could grab more market share. Lilly writes in his blog post: “What Apple is doing now with their Apple Software Update on Windows is wrong. It undermines the trust relationship great companies have with their customers, and that’s bad — not just for Apple, but for the security of the whole Web.”

What’s stunning to me is that after three days of debate about this issue there aren’t many folks who have mentioned that little search box in the right corner. Let’s be clear: Google bankrolls Mozilla and accounts for most of its revenue. Google pays to be the leading provider in the Firefox search box. Sure, you can pick other search engines, but few do. As a result, Google accounted for 85 percent of Mozilla’s 2006 revenue of $66.8 million. The more market share Firefox has the more Google pays to be top search dog.

In that context, it’s pretty clear (to me) what this Mozilla vs. Apple rift is about. Apple also has Google in its search box and while details aren’t disclosed it’s safe to say there’s some cash changing hands. Google’s fees to Apple aren’t likely to be material, but Safari’s market share gains at Firefox’s expense could be a headache for Mozilla.

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Let’s say Safari grabs 10 percent market share and Firefox falls to about 25 percent. Note: Firefox’s market share about 16 percent, according to Janco. The aforementioned figures are for illustration purposes. That’s fewer searches and less revenue for Mozilla. Sure, you can argue about whether Apple’s Safari move is above the board. You can also question the security implications and a bevy of other issues. But in the end, Apple’s Safari update and Mozilla’s reaction is like any other story. To truly understand it you have to follow the money.

Update: John Lilly has a follow-up post to his first missive on Safari and Apple’s distribution methods. His point: There’s no subtext in his first post. Lilly has some good points–especially on security–but I still maintain that to understand the nuances of this spat you have to at least consider the monetary angle.

Update 2: Lilly and I have been volleying a few emails and on further review I may be coming off too strong regarding the money aspect. I still maintain it’s a factor though. Here’s what Lilly had to say:

I think it’s appropriate to talk about motivations in analysis, and you’re right that there are often monetary reasons for doing things. But at Mozilla we routinely make decisions without regard to revenue impact — we really do try to make decisions based on user experience first and foremost. I feel like your post doesn’t just bring up the point, but you assume (and assert) monetary motivations — just look at your headline or this line: “But what this spat really comes down to is Google and the fees it pays to be the lead search dog within browsers.”

It’s fine for you to think that, or write it, but it isn’t true. Not everything is about money — most things aren’t. We’ve set things up here so that we need a relatively modest budget (by IT industry standards) to survive and to make an impact in the world — and not being beholden to shareholders means that we don’t have to maximize revenue or profits.

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Allow me to tell you the difference.
And when Microsoft does it, its misuse of
monopoly.... and people start suing left and right.
When its Apple.. its ok. Give me a break.


When Microsoft bundled IE with Windows, wh... (Read the rest)
Posted by: goff256 Posted on: 11/22/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Nefarious? Yes indeed  Kaleld | 03/24/08
This is different in what way?  Mikael_z | 03/24/08
Because others do it, it makes Apple okay?  NonZealot | 03/24/08
Abusive or not?  Mikael_z | 03/24/08
Bzzt, try again to defend the hive!!  NonZealot | 03/24/08
Not to different from the Windows Media DRM  Intellihence | 03/24/08
But Apple has a monopoly  NonZealot | 03/24/08
Very Different  gtg781w | 03/24/08
You're wrong again, as usual...  olePigeon | 03/24/08
I don't know if you are aware of this ZEALOT ,,,  Intellihence | 03/24/08
That's not what they want  John Zern | 03/24/08
Monopoly?  Fred Fredrickson | 03/24/08
Missing the point  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Unless, of course,  frgough | 03/24/08
re: Unless, of course,  M.R. Kennedy | 03/24/08
Easier than that, and not all inclusive  Marcos El Malo | 03/24/08
re: Easier than that  Badgered | 03/24/08
Fair point  Marcos El Malo | 03/24/08
re: Fair point  Badgered | 03/24/08
"HIGHLY UNINTUITIVE for users trained in the Microsoft Way"  rob07601 | 03/25/08
I agree  Mikael_z | 03/24/08
Income  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 03/24/08
More likely Webkit  j.m.galvin | 03/24/08
For the Mozilla group, it is all about market share and pride NOT income.  DonnieBoy | 03/24/08
Another thing, Mozilla has a limited advertising budget. What better moment  DonnieBoy | 03/24/08
It's not personal, it's busisness.  fischerls | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  bobbyalex | 03/24/08
Allow me to tell you the difference.  goff256 | 11/22/08
Well, my take that success for Safari is also good for Mozilla.  DonnieBoy | 03/24/08
Windows has removal features...  Norcross | 03/24/08
No, it will not completely remove IE, you still have all the pieces left  DonnieBoy | 03/24/08
It won't remove iTunes either,  mustangj36@... | 03/24/08
Deleting Windows Media Player & Google  dariced@... | 03/26/08
and safari is so secure yea right do a little research in the subject  SO.CAL Guy | 03/24/08
You mean all the pieces your apps need in order to work?  threedaysdwn | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  DCMann | 03/24/08
MS does push Software  TOFTS | 03/24/08
But that is in the installer. Heck, it's an Office component.  threedaysdwn | 03/24/08
You do understand Office is a suite of Apps.  ajole | 03/25/08
Mac Faithful  philpenn | 03/24/08
There should be a way to tell it to quit asking.  ajole | 03/25/08
It's about the money alright.  hardmanb | 03/24/08
Taxes benefit the economy?!?!?!  frgough | 03/24/08
sure  Linux Geek | 03/24/08
Off-topic  nwwells | 03/24/08
Couldn't agree more  philpenn | 03/24/08
re: Taxes benefit the economy?!?!?!  M.R. Kennedy | 03/24/08
Not quite.  osreinstall | 03/24/08
Safari and Microsoft  Norcross | 03/24/08
A choice would be good  zr1amd13 | 03/24/08
re: Safari and Microsoft  M.R. Kennedy | 03/24/08
Another annoyance  1tl | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  arslanhassan999@... | 03/24/08
Crap  PghNative | 03/24/08
The double standard of Apple fans is astounding  NonZealot | 03/24/08
My POV  DannyO_0x98 | 03/24/08
I agree  NonZealot | 03/24/08
Agreed  philpenn | 03/24/08
When you want X you also get Y.  david@... | 03/24/08
And MS was raked over the coals for this  NonZealot | 03/24/08
Sauce for the goose....  david@... | 03/24/08
apples window software is so good all i can say to that is R.O.F.L give  SO.CAL Guy | 03/24/08
About Google search box  PghNative | 03/24/08
It's not just Apple. How about the Google Toolbar?  AlanO93 | 03/24/08
Apple learned it's lesson  afficionado | 03/24/08
The Mac Fan reply is.....  Joe_Racer | 03/24/08
Speak for yourself. (nt)  People | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  beenieman4355 | 03/24/08
Unfair to compare to Sony's Rootkit  davebailey | 03/24/08
huh... Sony didn't give users the option of not installing the root kit..  doctorSpoc | 03/24/08
correction apple says were installing this you have to say no and if your  SO.CAL Guy | 03/24/08
ok.. so a) they inform you and b) you can say no...  doctorSpoc | 03/24/08
How about  tikigawd | 03/24/08
am i missing something?  doctorSpoc | 03/24/08
Opt in?  Joe_Racer | 03/24/08
No, Opt Out (NT)  philpenn | 03/24/08
like Google Toolbar is "opt-out" in Adobe Reader, Flash installs  killerbunny | 03/24/08
Yes you are missing something  philpenn | 03/24/08
as many times as you want to use their iTunes software...  doctorSpoc | 03/24/08
Just once. It's real easy  People | 03/24/08
Is this Apple angst really about  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 03/24/08
Not exactly  philpenn | 03/24/08
re: Is this Apple angst  Badgered | 03/24/08
Not at all, it's anyone  jheine | 03/25/08
Genuine Annoyance in Some Cases  Marcos El Malo | 03/25/08
Wake Up.  TOFTS | 03/24/08
This is statuatory rape of iPod users  NonZealot | 03/24/08
1% of them actually understand...  TOFTS | 03/24/08
Your Comparison Is Insane  Marcos El Malo | 03/24/08
Google's search box - not germane to the issue.  ejhonda | 03/24/08
apple ASKs you.. IF you want to install Safari...  doctorSpoc | 03/24/08
search engine choices crippled in Firefox  killerbunny | 03/24/08
Don't be evil: Google piggybacks on Adobe Reader, Flash installs, too  killerbunny | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  mslammers@... | 03/24/08
Firefox doesn't have 35 percent marketshare  PB_z | 03/24/08
Opt In or Out, Rootkit or Not That's not the Point  beenieman4355 | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  shoktai@... | 03/24/08
I was already annoyed...  Dr. John | 03/24/08
but they give you the choice to not install...  doctorSpoc | 03/24/08
Fan Buoy  John2219 | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  DCMann | 03/24/08
Amen.....  DCMann | 03/24/08
JUST SAY NO TO BIG CORPORATE TACTICS  ajayess | 03/24/08
Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  nicemann2002@... | 03/24/08
Safari 3.1 definitely worth trying  Deanbar | 03/24/08
Apple, Amazon, and now even Microsoft are removing DRM...  olePigeon | 03/24/08
"Apple pushes Safari to you when you update iTunes."  People | 03/24/08
What makes you think that Apple is not a MS division?  Just_true | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla vs. Apple on Safari flap: It's about the Google search box  julieannecooper | 03/24/08
RE: Sick of Apple updates  davidjmel@... | 03/24/08

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