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April 9th, 2008

Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 9:07 am

Categories: Gartner Symposium, General, Microsoft, Software Infrastructure

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Operating System, Gartner Inc., Microsoft Corp., Michael Silver, Neil MacDonald, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Larry Dignan

Microsoft’s Windows juggernaut is collapsing as it tries to support 20 years of applications and becomes more complicated by the minute. Meanwhile, Windows has outgrown hardware and customers are pondering skipping Vista to wait for Windows 7. If Windows is going to remain relevant it will need radical changes.

That sobering outlook comes courtesy of Gartner analysts Michael Silver and Neil MacDonald. Half of a full room of IT managers and executives raised their hands when asked whether Microsoft needed to radically change its approach to Windows. “Windows is too monolithic,” says Silver.

Silver also gave another anecdotal point to show the conundrum Microsoft is in: Clients are calling him to ask whether they should skip Vista entirely and wait for Windows 7, which promises to be more modular and potentially lightweight. Adrian Kingsley-Hughes has also found an impact on Vista from all of the Windows 7 chatter. Silver’s recommendation: Go with Vista but on an attrition basis. As XP PCs die, replace them with Vista PCs.

MacDonald argued that Windows may need multiple kernels to support increasing demands from customers and hardware makers. “One size doesn’t fit all,” says MacDonald. For instance, look at the various demands an OS has to deal with:

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If Microsoft’s response is to become more complex Windows’ fall will accelerate. As Windows stands today it’s already too bulky.

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So what does Microsoft need to do?

For starters, Windows should create versions for specific uses. These modules would be able to swapped out depending on the customer. From Gartner’s presentation:

The more interesting question here is whether one OS can address both architectural requirements. Microsoft believes that it can take its core Windows software offering and package it to address these different architectures. But can this same approach be extended to embrace cloud computing and real-time architecture demands?

Also see: Jason Perlow: If I were to design Windows 7

Mary Jo Foley: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces

Multiple Windows–that will be virtualized of course–will screw up Microsoft’s business model. “Microsoft doesn’t like anything in between Windows and the hardware. Ninety-five percent of its revenue comes from OEM’s,” says MacDonald.

Regardless of the pain for Microsoft, the software giant needs to shorten development times and innovate on an ongoing basis, make its experience consistent between platforms and solve compatibility problems among various flavors of Windows.

A few key redesign ideas from Silver and MacDonald:

Windows should be able to be tailored to specific applications. MacDonald questioned what the OS will become once applications are virtualized. Do you need a full OS everywhere? No. The job of an OS may be taken over by the hypervisor. Stray thought: Taking that logic further perhaps VMware becomes the real OS.

Better security. MacDonald says Windows should link identities to applications so software doesn’t act abnormally. For instance, Notepad would be limited to inputting text. Why would notepad.exe have rights to network ports, the registry and scan a file system? Notepad should be assigned an identity and limited to a specific use. “Microsoft doesn’t do this today,” says MacDonald. “It would require significant kernel changes.” MacDonald added that few operating systems limit what applications can do. The one software project that takes this approach is the One Laptop Per Child project.

Make migration to new versions easier. Application packaging takes forever, says Silver. There’s also the problem of “Windows rot.” Windows rot is what happens to a machine after running Windows for three or four years and it gets slow and barely functions. The fix is to reinstall everything and rebuild the PC. That’s a manual effort that takes too much time.

Simplify licensing to focus on specific devices. “Licensing is too difficult for mere mortals to understand,” says Silver. The problem: A version of Windows is tied to one PC. The way people work today will require a licensing do over, argues Silver. From Gartner’s presentation:

It is possible that several entities will own different hardware and software components on a single machine, and there needs to be flexibility in ownership, management and movement of the assets. Microsoft Windows and Office licenses are ultimately tied to the device and not to the user, which makes no sense in a world in which a user’s work space migrates between multiple devices.

“Something as common sense as ‘I’d like Office to go with me’ doesn’t work under current licensing,” says MacDonald.

The bottom line for Gartner is that Windows needs to be replaced, lock-in needs to end and product schedules need to be more predictable. Windows should also be more manageable. The Windows user experience will become less integrated to become “a composite adaptive work space,” which means in English that some applications will be tied to location and the user’s identity.

All of these items are good ideas that are very academic. Will Windows 7 become this adaptive thing that Gartner describes? Probably not. Gartner argues that Microsoft should use virtualization to solve the backward compatibility issue plaguing Windows. Will Windows 7 jettison its current kernel for multiple versions? Not likely.

Some of these changes may happen, but the move will be gradual at best. I agree that Windows has too many legacy constraints with reverse compatibility, but what would happen if Microsoft did a clean break from older apps? Meanwhile, these “legacy constraints” have also provided billions of dollars in revenue for Microsoft. One of the reasons Microsoft has a monopoly is because it still works with older stuff. If Microsoft did a clean break it would give you an excuse to pick a new operating system.

Windows clearly needs to change, but the question is really timing. How fast will Windows collapse under its weight? It’ll take longer than folks think.

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the 640k memory quote is a myth  rtk | 04/09/08
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Did they ...  The Smoking Man | 04/09/08
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who is not a bit anti ms at least  llval@... | 04/13/08
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EVEN No_Ax is learning  fr0thy2 | 04/09/08
Something's been lacking for a long time.  joe.smetona@... | 04/09/08
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I am quite sure that he knows his own clients better  hkommedal | 04/09/08
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correction, linux runs old  rtk | 04/09/08
It runs all MY new stuff just fine.  hkommedal | 04/09/08
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About my ATI card from 2007.  hkommedal | 04/09/08
Resistance from the industry ...  The Smoking Man | 04/09/08
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About the Office UI  CobraA1 | 04/09/08
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What's more stange is  pkrdk | 04/14/08
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agree some  CobraA1 | 04/09/08
After a bit of digging . . .  CobraA1 | 04/09/08
Form the OS marketer's point of view ...  The Smoking Man | 04/09/08
Re: Form the OS marketer's point of view ...  mikewarns | 04/10/08
That and new fileformats  thungurknifur | 04/11/08
Double standard and hard pill to swallow for stone-age die-hards  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 04/10/08
Well that's one OPINION ... and well we know what that is worth  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/08
Virtualization  thungurknifur | 04/11/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Windows Defender | 04/09/08
Errr, because they have to?  fr0thy2 | 04/09/08
You are so obviously and amateur...  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/08
Gee In 5 Years Time...  swbobcat | 04/09/08
Ge in Five Years TIme  Dumber_z | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  notlehs | 04/09/08
Very true  mcicogni | 04/09/08
PC side coudl live with one or two versions  royalef | 04/09/08
Ultimate is $20 more costly than Windows XP Pro  ye | 04/09/08
Marketing strategy ...  The Smoking Man | 04/09/08
stop making broad assumptions.  rtk | 04/09/08
making broad assumptions?  Ole Man | 04/10/08
Or ignoring logic...  rtk | 04/10/08
It would serve thee far better  Ole Man | 04/10/08
you're too much fun.  rtk | 04/10/08
...radical change  Dumber_z | 04/09/08
I didn't charge clients thousands of dollars for a report  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/09/08
Maybe you should? happy [nt]  olePigeon | 04/09/08
It's the same old story.  odubtaig | 04/09/08
Most consultants are not only underqualified  Ole Man | 04/09/08
Re: "Sanitation Engineers". . . Well I dread the day they  hkommedal | 04/09/08
Well spoken  Ole Man | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  hypermark | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  daliaga@... | 04/09/08
RE: One size DOSEN'T fit all?  d_suse | 04/09/08
Linux makes use of modules to a large extent. If you  hkommedal | 04/09/08
Vista is a flop like Millenium!  daliaga@... | 04/09/08
Oh no. Win ME carries the flop  hkommedal | 04/09/08
Oh no. Win ME carries the flop "crown".  hkommedal | 04/09/08
Linux is a flop! Vista sold 150 millions copies.  qmlscycrajg | 04/10/08
Wrong.  frgough | 04/10/08
Not to Microsoft...  TheWerewolf | 04/10/08
Most uninstalled  symbolset | 04/10/08
He's right about one thing, though  Ole Man | 04/10/08
Oh, I doubt that.  rtk | 04/10/08
Show me the numbers and proof of that please...  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/08
Look it up yourself  Ole Man | 04/12/08
Microsoft even knows  Clewin | 04/09/08
Is MacDonald on the Vista Design Team?  Steven Rogers | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Geezer Dude | 04/09/08
Try this with Windows  Michael Of Atlanta | 04/09/08
Try what with Windows?  ye | 04/09/08
I should have been more clear...  Michael Of Atlanta | 04/09/08
I've done plenty of installs. Haven't had a problem with them.  ye | 04/09/08
Windows rot is FUD?  storm14k | 04/09/08
Windows does get slower over time  voska1 | 04/10/08
Depends on the user not the OS...  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/08
Message has been deleted.  Ole Man | 04/09/08
Not just install SO  green alien | 04/09/08
Things like having ALL personal files on a separate  hkommedal | 04/09/08
Create versions for specific uses?  PB_z | 04/09/08
Just a couple of examples:  hkommedal | 04/09/08
True to a point  coffeeshark | 04/09/08
Can you say Apple for All?  iMarc | 04/09/08
Only if it comes with Windows preinstalled.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/09/08
Mmm.. meanwhile, here in the real world...  TheWerewolf | 04/10/08
RE: Unless a Miracle Happens!  netzd | 04/09/08
Linux is way ahead.  PMDubuc | 04/09/08
Let me help you because you're lost.  storm14k | 04/09/08
I wish Windows users would hit google.  odubtaig | 04/09/08
And if you need Microsoft help?  Ole Man | 04/09/08
Reboot and call me back ...  The Smoking Man | 04/09/08
if you knew anything about Linux....  mdsmedia | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  netzd | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  jay@... | 04/09/08
Hail captain obvious  davey23 | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  mwagner@... | 04/09/08
I see you running around for a long time yet  Ole Man | 04/09/08
I see you  mdemuth | 04/09/08
I see no evidence of anything you say  Ole Man | 04/09/08
Old Man or Old Dog  High Plains | 04/10/08
What are you trying to say?  Ole Man | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Geezer Dude | 04/09/08
You described Linux there  fr0thy2 | 04/09/08
Is it Mac time?  davidr69 | 04/09/08
If you need 100% compatibility why would you...  ye | 04/09/08
Why I would consider a Mac ...  davidr69 | 04/09/08
Because  frgough | 04/10/08
Free advice to Redmond:  SpikeyMike | 04/09/08
Sounds familiar  Hemlock Stones | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  ceh4702 | 04/09/08
Gartner Finally Sees the Light  cyberscan | 04/09/08
Bill wants to work with immigrants  BALTHOR | 04/09/08
Use Wine, not a Newer Windows  cyberscan | 04/09/08
To Wine or Not to Wine  Geezer Dude | 04/09/08
Wine is great...  frgough | 04/10/08
You have got to research your subject.  odubtaig | 04/10/08
Problem is Ballmer  GeiselS@... | 04/09/08
Larry - story suggestion...  gdstark13 | 04/09/08
Mo' MemreyMulti=Ultie64&7, Compromise  VONDRASHEK@... | 04/09/08
Isometric maybe !!!!!!!!!  rtirman37@... | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  The_Quietman | 04/09/08
K.I.S.S. Right?  Narg | 04/09/08
Does nobody have a long time memory?  CobraA1 | 04/09/08
agreed!  merc2dogs` | 04/09/08
"Trying to find something in the registry is incredibly more difficult"  Ole Man | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  woodmont | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Rambo Tribble | 04/09/08
The solution to "complexity" is 50 different versions?  mlambert890@... | 04/09/08
spot on  jiagebusen | 04/09/08
Um  frgough | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  ralphrides | 04/09/08
Solution...  mikifinaz1@... | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  atari8bit@... | 04/09/08
RE: The fall of Rome/M$  bmujahid | 04/09/08
Must try out the new Ubuntu.  joe.smetona@... | 04/10/08
You don't need 20 different kernels.  kraterz | 04/09/08
Agreed  boed | 04/09/08
My Vista is faster than XP with only 1GB RAM  qmlscycrajg | 04/10/08
You can't be doing much with it then.  odubtaig | 04/10/08
Why then?  boed | 04/10/08
You asked, here are my replies...  Master Guru | 04/11/08
you don't need 100000000000000 linux distro  qmlscycrajg | 04/10/08
Absolutely 100% agreed.  kraterz | 04/10/08
I disagree slightly.  odubtaig | 04/10/08
Can be tuned with kernel parameters.  kraterz | 04/10/08
You already can.  odubtaig | 04/11/08
Gartner asked a question with no room to give the RIGHT answer  boed | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Larry63 | 04/09/08
XXP  trm1945 | 04/09/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  vincent@... | 04/10/08
Collapsing Windows  w.caelli@... | 04/10/08
It is not Windows which is collapsing. It is your disk structure.  koby@... | 04/10/08
Modularity  D. T. Schmitz | 04/10/08
linux is just the kernel, NOT an OS  qmlscycrajg | 04/10/08
Hey Thanks  D. T. Schmitz | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Consistently Wrong  MSBassSinger | 04/10/08
WOW  Shadowbelly | 04/10/08
Just what would this world be like without American ingenuity?  MSBassSinger | 04/10/08
Just what would this world be like without...  Shadowbelly | 04/10/08
It's not even a fair comparison  MSBassSinger | 04/10/08
I know it very unlikely to be true, but it sounds like  hkommedal | 04/10/08
Untrue...  MSBassSinger | 04/10/08
That is not true and you know it!!  Shadowbelly | 04/10/08
You'll get what you want...  MSBassSinger | 04/10/08
Trully hope you're right  Shadowbelly | 04/10/08
A word on the US economy  odubtaig | 04/10/08
You need to put up your high horse  Ole Man | 04/10/08
WOW - for the most part your right.  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/08
If Gartner is wrong you must work for them.  storm14k | 04/11/08
this news is pure FUD  qmlscycrajg | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Juergen Hartl | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Axsimulate | 04/10/08
What MS will do  High Plains | 04/10/08
For how much??  Shadowbelly | 04/10/08
How much does it cost  High Plains | 04/10/08
A fair bit less, but NOT gratis. All systems can do this. (nt)  hkommedal | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  RamonFHerrera | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  RamonFHerrera | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  RamonFHerrera | 04/10/08
Another "clean break"? I doubt it.  mlgoff_59 | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  mcclung@... | 04/10/08
i wouldnt say necessarily more features  pcguy777 | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  Al_Fresco | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  whooliebacon | 04/10/08
Gartner Is Praying Windows Not Collapse  g15host | 04/10/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  cameljockey | 04/11/08
Same issues they've been facing for 10 years  Chad_z | 04/11/08
More troll bait from ZDNet  Duke E. Love | 04/11/08
Sounds like you hate freedom. Well, in the  hkommedal | 04/11/08
go figure why an imbecille was appointed president  llval@... | 04/13/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  spyro17@... | 04/11/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  njo_ldc@... | 04/11/08
Who cares about Gartner? Who is Garner to judge it?  qmlscycrajg | 04/13/08
Ultimately, every man will be his own judge  Ole Man | 04/13/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  markyannone | 04/14/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  n4lxl | 04/15/08
And here's the proof ...  ttocsmij | 04/16/08
Original Gartner Report Here  desmondhaynes | 05/05/08
Why is MS incapable of making it simpler?  brendan@... | 05/05/08
RE: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed  ujhrdngjk | 08/12/09

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