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April 25th, 2008

Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 9:23 am

Categories: Google, Linux, Microsoft, Open Source, Web Technology

Tags: Ubuntu, Mozilla Firefox 3.0, Mozilla Firefox, Web Browsers, Internet, Jason Perlow

Okay, I admit, I am an impatient person. I hate waiting in lines. I have a superiority complex and a tremendous arrogance where I believe the world revolves around me. Hey, I’m a New Yorker, it comes with the territory. My wife, Rachel, is infuriated by this — whenever we go to a restaurant and there is even a fifteen minute wait, I walk right out the door. On a Friday night, I’ve been known to walk in and out of five or six restaurants until I get immediate gratification.

TimeoutIf I wasn’t such a Linux addict I probably would have walked right out the door with Ubuntu Hardy Heron as well. The demand for downloads and updates to the newly released Linux distribution was so tremendous, that the repositories are totally overwhelmed — you can’t connect to the US or central Canonical archives if your life depended on it today. According to a close industry source, Ubuntu saturated 20 Gigabits of bandwidth from both its main repositories and download locations over the last 24 hours. It’s like the Seinfeld episode where they go to the Chinese restaurant and the bunch are stymied by every attempt to get a table.

aptitude timeoutsWith the growing popularity of the Ubuntu distribution, Canonical needs to get the repository infrastructure built, or we’re all going to be walking out. They need to partner with someone like Akamai where the repos can be cached and large amounts of users can get to packages reliably.

Of course, there is no doubt that the service is expensive, and even with Shuttleworth’s billion plus dollars net worth, its probably a rather big pill for Ubuntu and Canonical to swallow. What I’d like to see is a large organization — perhaps with philanthropic aims to support open source — eat that Akamai or hosting bill. It just so happens that Akami has a large hosting partner already, and that partner is Microsoft.

Microsoft could score huge points and extend a major olive branch by allowing Ubuntu to use its Akamai infrastructure that it uses for Service Pack and patching delivery and MSDN downloads to distribute Ubuntu and serve repository packages. After all, they are serious about making inroads in interoperability and being nice, right? Of course if Microsoft wants to decline the offer, I am sure Google or another large vendor would be happy to step in.

Firefox Cert Problem1The repos aren’t the only thing I am impatient with either — it seems that Heron being released with Firefox 3 beta5 has caused a bunch of interoperability issues with sites that I frequently use. In particular, it has to do with unsigned security certificates — if you go to a site that has an unsigned certificate, Firefox 3 stops you dead in your tracks. On many sites, it will allow you to hit the “exception” button, it imports the invalid certificate, and then lets you through. But on certain sites, such as hotel Internet service login pages, and private VPN gateways, Firefox just plain wont let you through, at all. In order to get onto my hotel Internet last night, I actually had to boot into Windows, download the Opera “static” distribution for Debian systems (use the static, because the qt-mt library is not installed on the system by default), toss it on a USB card, reboot to Ubuntu and install it before I could get on the Internet and Firefox 3 would let me browse anywhere.

It’s clear that as good as Firefox 3 is, it isn’t ready for prime time yet, and Ubuntu should seriously consider having more than one browser installed by default. A side by side install of Firefox 3 and Firefox 2 or perhaps Opera (which my buddy Larry happens to like as well) would solve that problem.

Jason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient
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Posted by: gwreg4fge Posted on: 10/27/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
...  Linux User 147560 | 04/25/08
HOW  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
For the certificate problems, try this:  Tony Agudo | 04/25/08
Lots of other people want it at the same time  fr0thy2 | 04/25/08
You didnt read the article  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
How so?  fr0thy2 | 04/25/08
He never does...nt  socialism=nowhere | 04/29/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 04/25/08
Actually  Chrishas@... | 04/28/08
repositories  cheapasskevin | 04/25/08
Try downloading from...  D. T. Schmitz | 04/25/08
This is fine for downloading the distro but not for repos  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  dtb | 04/25/08
Welcome to the achilles heel of open source  frgough | 04/25/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 04/25/08
Money is no object  grlamberty@... | 04/25/08
And the cost of food is rising to compensate  fr0thy2 | 04/25/08
How is your Mum and Dad anyway?...nt  socialism=nowhere | 04/29/08
Once again - no value what so ever...nt  socialism=nowhere | 04/29/08
Blaming the wrong people for slow repos ...  oz_ollie | 04/30/08
Our company does it for a couple of distros...  kingttx | 05/01/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  Chuck U. Farley | 04/25/08
I am well aware of the mirrors  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
I understand your point on automating it however....  Chuck U. Farley | 04/25/08
Ok that works.,..  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
Then make a suggestion  Michael Kelly | 04/25/08
Done  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
You didn't know that?  storm14k | 04/25/08
I use the command line  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
Not an average user issue...  storm14k | 04/25/08
But your post was about you couldn't fix the problem  fr0thy2 | 04/25/08
Good Point - nt  socialism=nowhere | 04/29/08
Umm...  samoanbiscuit@... | 04/26/08
Furthermore  samoanbiscuit@... | 04/26/08
I said I was arrogant!  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/26/08
I am downloading 8.0.4 as we speak...  catseverywhere@... | 04/28/08
Not knowing exactly how apt-get works...  Michael Kelly | 04/25/08
APT implementation in Ubuntu  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
But can you manually download a .deb  Michael Kelly | 04/25/08
Yes, but  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
Gotcha  Michael Kelly | 04/25/08
Late message but...  kingttx | 05/01/08
Misinformation  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/25/08
Sources.list  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
In Ubuntu, you don't need Google  Tony Agudo | 04/25/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  Loverock Davidson | 04/25/08
NYC + Woohoo?  zkiwi | 04/25/08
hey hey Saskatchewan is nice  Quebec-french | 04/25/08
Well...  zkiwi | 04/25/08
Yes!  Loverock Davidson | 04/25/08
NYC makes me want to consider...  zkiwi | 04/25/08
New York ?  elderlybloke | 04/30/08
Olive branch != Trojan Horse  fr0thy2 | 04/25/08
Olive Branch  X41 | 04/26/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  riker8 | 04/25/08
THIS IS NOT A BITTORRENT ISSUE  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
In other words  Michael Kelly | 04/25/08
Didnt you try . . .  JLHenry | 04/26/08
chicken and the egg  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/26/08
I can't help asking you...  zkiwi | 04/25/08
It's a good problem to have and off topic  TripleII | 04/25/08
It -is- a good problem to have  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/25/08
I think I'd let it stand lol....  storm14k | 04/25/08
I don't think they're popular enough to pull a Nintendo  Michael Kelly | 04/25/08
FF3  D. T. Schmitz | 04/25/08
I don't get why this is a problem?  Just_true | 04/25/08
How somewhat Typical.. Jason.  LazLong | 04/25/08
Clarification  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/26/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  progon | 04/26/08
Needs an OpenSuSE style strategy I guess.  odubtaig | 04/27/08
Needs an OpenSuSE style strategy I guess.  The Rifleman | 04/27/08
Suse 11...The One To Rule Them All  jabailo1 | 04/27/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  storminator16@... | 04/28/08
No, I get paid to entertain.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/28/08
Apparently so  seanferd | 04/28/08
You can also use single quotes ' XXXX '  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/29/08
Opera is awesome.  james.faction | 04/28/08
Correct  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/28/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  jhansonxi | 04/28/08
One would think...  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 04/28/08
Perhaps more than one attribute then...  jhansonxi | 04/28/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  bubbles1142 | 04/29/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  elderlybloke | 04/30/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  rdhalsteatzd | 04/30/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  El Condor | 06/19/08
RE: Ubuntu: I'm extremely impatient  gwreg4fge | 10/27/09

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