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August 5th, 2008

IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista

Posted by Larry Dignan @ 1:31 pm

Categories: General, Hardware Infrastructure, IBM, Linux, LinuxWorld, Novell, Open Source, Red Hat, Software Infrastructure

Tags: Ubuntu, Novell Inc., Red Hat Inc., Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., IBM Corp., Linux, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), UNIX, Operating Systems

The Linux computing crowd smells blood and wants to make a run at Microsoft’s Vista operating system.

Coinciding with LinuxWorld, IBM, Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat issued a joint statement promising “Microsoft free” desktops across the globe.

I doubt it will put a significant dent in Microsoft’s market share tally, but the dogpile will be interesting to watch. IBM’s Linux gang says it will deliver Lotus Notes and Symphony worldwide by 2009. The goal: Sprinkle the globe with Linux-based desktops in a year.

In a statement touting the partnership, the companies said the time is right to upend Windows and Office-based PCs. Kevin Cavanaugh, vice president for IBM’s Lotus Software unit was a bit more blunt in a statement.

“The slow adoption of Vista among businesses and budget-conscious CIOs, coupled with the proven success of a new type of Microsoft-free PC in every region, provides an extraordinary window of opportunity for Linux. We’ll work to unlock the desktop to save our customers money and give freedom of choice by offering this industry-leading solution.”

The companies said they will work with hardware manufacturers to distribute a preloaded PC that includes “Lotus Notes, Lotus Symphony and Lotus Sametime; the Linux operating system of each distributor; and software applications and installation services from the local partners in each market.”

Also see: CIOs: Storage, virtualization, IT staffing in; Consultants, Vista out

Mozilla: Threat to Windows or boilerplate risk factor?

Forrester: Vista is ‘New Coke’ in the enterprise; Firefox, Apple gain a little

Survey: Corporations hold out on Vista

Other odds and ends worth noting:

The effort appears to be focused on emerging markets where the Linux message may resonate more. Austrian IT vendor VDEL was cited in the statement.

Note this statement plug:

The popularity of IBM OCCS (Open Collaboration Client Solution) on each Linux variant has grown dramatically in the past year. Thousands of people are working today on OCCS-powered Linux PCs across North America, Europe, Asia, and Australia. In North America, public school systems, local governments and IT firms such as the Government of Quebec Ministry of Service, CSS Corp. and IBM itself rely on OCCS. In Europe, customers include Radbound University in Netherlands; Constructora San Jose of Spain; and Dotriver in France, among others. In the eastern hemisphere, Safran Aerospace of India, SMB Outsourcing Park of China and Kennards Hire (manufacturing) of Australia are among the growing legions of MS-free advocates.

Ubuntu will re-distribute Lotus software in its repositories.

And the timing may be right for the desktop Linux effort--if not now when would it work. But it is telling that the effort is focused more on markets where folks may be more hostile to Microsoft than in the U.S.

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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
ya know, you already get free tech support by using linux. just go to the forum. it works quite well. and for those people who don't "know" linux. i was a noob at linux until quite recently. then i go... (Read the rest)
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Hoo that could be painful very painful  Quebec-french | 08/05/08
Can I get support & hardware for free too?  daMan25 | 08/06/08
...where I am wrong...  PollyProteus | 08/06/08
You want stuff? Get a job....or....  storm14k | 08/06/08
It's a business model,,,,get over it,  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Wake up and observe life....  storm14k | 08/06/08
Wow, you mean that cause I do all my own work,,,,,  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
Pure lack of common sense...  storm14k | 08/07/08
More slowly this time.....  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
Lol @ unique...  storm14k | 08/07/08
LOL @ uninformed dogma  xuniL_z | 08/08/08
Such a bunch of childrens...  Jxn | 08/08/08
@Jxn  xuniL_z | 08/09/08
@ backwards linux guy  User07734 | 08/10/08
seriously?  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
what??  Khyron | 08/11/08
Kyron - You are on the right track.  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
Why can't ...  TripleII | 08/06/08
Why can't...  storm14k | 08/06/08
It's not bad, but it's embracing closed source.  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Fact: There was no alternative  IT_User | 08/06/08
Should businesses have stayed on mainframes to 2008?  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
You're cracking me up...  storm14k | 08/06/08
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You have read to many MS marketing  Jxn | 08/08/08
Unfortunately...  Four-Eyes | 08/06/08
Free and gratis  Jxn | 08/08/08
Trap? I can get all of my data out of windows easily.  xuniL_z | 08/10/08
Is a varmint who is caught in a trap still free?  Ole Man | 08/11/08
Horrible analogy  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
Not supposed to be an analogy  Ole Man | 08/13/08
hold your horses cowboy  Quebec-french | 08/06/08
America is socialist too!  Jack-Booted EULA | 08/06/08
wow that mean (nt)  Quebec-french | 08/06/08
So what's new?  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
So what's new?  Jack-Booted EULA | 08/06/08
You are 100% correct ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
You hit the nail on the head  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
They couldn't tell you what socialism is....  storm14k | 08/06/08
Enough. Go to a politics blog if that's what you wish to discuss.  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
ok its stop here mr you just loose it biig time  Quebec-french | 08/06/08
Your posts are funny  markdean | 08/08/08
Enough of the truth???....typical.  storm14k | 08/06/08
There you go again.  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
It's depressing see xuniL_z answers to stom14k  Jxn | 08/08/08
Jxn  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
Enough - go to....  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
You are confused....allow me to enlighten you  xuniL_z | 08/11/08
Huh?  USTechHead | 08/06/08
well im second it guy in a 3d render shop  Quebec-french | 08/06/08
That's cool it's your companies choice. It's just a tool an  USTechHead | 08/06/08
2nd IT guy in 3rd guy in rendering shop?????  JABBER_WOLF | 08/06/08
Message has been deleted.  Quebec-french | 08/07/08
You are completely wrong.  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
This makes me laugh  markdean | 08/08/08
RIGHT ON! nt  shooter902 | 08/11/08
You are absolutely right about that!  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
The only support in Linux is  Richard B | 08/06/08
The only support in Linux is no support - eg ASUS  binstock@... | 08/06/08
This is silly  markdean | 08/08/08
As with Microsoft, no difference  Jxn | 08/08/08
When did you last get any "support" from Microsoft without $$$$  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
When did you ever get "support" from Microsoft without a hassle?  Sinbad713 | 08/29/08
everything FREE?  Update victim | 08/06/08
Where can I get hardware at just cost then?  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Ahhh the capitalist pipe dream strikes again...  storm14k | 08/06/08
You continue to mix up human decency and fellowship with some governernment  xuniL_z | 08/09/08
Take two valium.......  Ole Man | 08/09/08
by "worked" you mean......  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
That is a frightening statement.....  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
maggietoo9, you are taking a very libera view, but ignoring that ....  xuniL_z | 08/12/08
You mean wholesale, right?  markdean | 08/08/08
Insightful  xuniL_z | 08/10/08
Your first assumption is wrong.  bjbrock | 08/07/08
Yeah buddy, and on top of that  markdean | 08/08/08
Free Tech Support Here  starcannon99022@... | 08/19/08
Painful????  rMatey | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  raymarc001 | 08/05/08
Tar balls? Kernel compiling?  Zogg | 08/05/08
uhhh... what?  doh123 | 08/05/08
Played with all versions of Linux?  CodeCurmudgeon | 08/05/08
And a good thing, too  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/05/08
Shhh....  storm14k | 08/06/08
you shhhh  Monkey_MCSE | 08/06/08
I saw thay it was....  storm14k | 08/07/08
Pure, unadulterated FUD.  TripleII | 08/05/08
Old dated.... can't you at least update the lines?  devlin_X | 08/06/08
1998 called...  jasonp@... | 08/06/08
Oh really...  bargeemike | 08/06/08
the problem  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Funny, you always seem to neglect  devlin_X | 08/06/08
Bloody typical of Linux Fanatics...  bargeemike | 08/08/08
Talk about a fanatic!  Ole Man | 08/08/08
And another one...  bargeemike | 08/12/08
you have no clue.....  xuniL_z | 08/12/08
@ bargeemike & Xunil_z  Ole Man | 08/13/08
Windows is easy to install???  jvin248 | 08/06/08
Vista installed in about a half hour  marks055@... | 08/06/08
If you had to search for DLLs to install windows....  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Windows is easy to install???  jvin248 | 08/06/08
ROFL! Foot stuck in a tarball is it?  Chad_z | 08/06/08
Easy to Uninstall?  stillgolfing | 08/06/08
RE: Easy to Uninstall???  bfilipiak@... | 08/06/08
You said it better!  stillgolfing | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  obuena | 08/06/08
MS DOS 4.0 and Windows 386 died a long time ago.  Update victim | 08/06/08
Lovey by another name?  TtfnJohn | 08/08/08
Installing Software and drivers:  starcannon99022@... | 08/19/08
Great news! A smart coordinated attack on all fronts.  pjotr123 | 08/05/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  goingbust | 08/05/08
Who cares if it plays blue-gay nt  ThereThere | 08/07/08
I've given up on linux  kcredden2 | 08/05/08
Tip: here's an easy guide for beginners with Ubuntu 8.04  pjotr123 | 08/05/08
Done that!  elderlybloke | 08/06/08
dont blame the OS...  doh123 | 08/05/08
I was mad at Ubuntu when I started  iansane | 08/05/08
ignorant...  doh123 | 08/05/08
To say Linux is difficult and complicated....  storm14k | 08/06/08
Well said  fr0thy2 | 08/06/08
Jeezus, I feel the SAME WAY!! I hate Windows.  Predator106 | 08/06/08
You might be suprised...  storm14k | 08/06/08
Surprised????  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
It really is a mystery  KTLA | 08/06/08
Yeah right...  Duke E. Love | 08/08/08
It's *illegal* on these blogs to utter you don't like Linux....  xuniL_z | 08/10/08
Oh, italics...  zkiwi | 08/05/08
hmmm  xuniL_z | 08/10/08
A question...  TripleII | 08/05/08
re: A question...  none none | 08/05/08
You crack me up!  devlin_X | 08/06/08
Is this the latest pre-packaged FUD...  storm14k | 08/06/08
I wondered the same thing  Chad_z | 08/06/08
Could say the samething about Windows  voska1 | 08/06/08
Well said - in reverse  oldbaritone | 08/06/08
Will NOT install... You may be right on that  Update victim | 08/06/08
ditto  ukstar@... | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
Warning: segfaulting brain.  pjotr123 | 08/05/08
What part of me being so right upsets you the most? (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
You being right?  zkiwi | 08/05/08
Yes me being right  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
I want Linux....  storm14k | 08/06/08
Upset no, bemused by you thinking you're right yes  zkiwi | 08/06/08
So which is your favorite.....  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Lovey, My dad once told me that  Update victim | 08/08/08
Plus ...  markbn | 08/05/08
Agreed  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
How's it going Loverock?  D. T. Schmitz | 08/05/08
Good  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
RE: updating linux box  iansane | 08/05/08
It is annoying  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
To the Tune of 'The Beverly Hill Hillbillies'...  BanjoPaterson | 08/06/08
RE: To the tune of the "Beverly Hillbillies'  bfilipiak@... | 08/06/08
To the Tune of 'The Beverly Hill Hillbillies'...  morph000 | 08/07/08
It really isn't that people don't want Linux...  jasonp@... | 08/06/08
Hey, Rockhead, what new OS, besides Windows, ...  OButterball | 08/06/08
Loverock: The Linux Historian  RandallR | 08/06/08
Loverock  ticthak@... | 08/06/08
I agree with Loverock  Dan the Digital Dog | 08/06/08
IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  mrdt | 08/05/08
Thats because....  storm14k | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  xyz10_z | 08/05/08
Major app providers such as Intuit...  bjbrock | 08/05/08
Only one thing holds back Linux  ThereThere | 08/07/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  nxtgen59@... | 08/05/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  jackofalltradesmasterofnone | 08/05/08
Just asking  AndyCee | 08/06/08
Update or fresh install?  storm14k | 08/06/08
Pick a card, any card...  dragonbite | 08/06/08
What are you doing to cause that?  rhomp2002@... | 08/06/08
Your reading on the prescience meter...  techboy_z | 08/05/08
re: lemmings  iansane | 08/05/08
just to clarify  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
3% is already here ....  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Forrester figures  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 08/06/08
Look at the data trend for Linux ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
Deviation?  stillgolfing | 08/06/08
And ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
Sorry but....  devlin_X | 08/06/08
And Forrester is automatically right?  TtfnJohn | 08/08/08
Please post your source?  TripleII | 08/05/08
Net Applications is not accurate ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Thanks, the above is going into part two.  TripleII | 08/05/08
Here's what's really sad ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Try www.mostly-microsoft.blogspot.com. Shows a 99.92% edge for Windows,  transposeIT | 08/05/08
I don't understand?  TripleII | 08/05/08
And at what point will people become sick  Pliny the Elder | 08/05/08
You don't find it ironic???  techboy_z | 08/06/08
Linux Warp... ?  jollygreenguy@... | 08/05/08
OS2 performed as well as any MS OS.  bjbrock | 08/05/08
Not true. Until 1997, I was an avid user of OS/2...  HypnoToad | 08/06/08
Comparing Apples to Oranges?  jollygreenguy@... | 08/06/08
The OS/2 problem was not only marketing  Update victim | 08/08/08
Precisely  John L. Ries | 08/08/08
Never say never ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
RE: Standards  Bozzer | 08/05/08
I agree  mombo | 08/06/08
Are you an IT person?  dragonbite | 08/06/08
are you talking OS or Apps?  pfyearwood | 08/06/08
Note to IBM: Do NOT include Notes!  ye | 08/05/08
Following your logic . . .  JLHenry | 08/05/08
To the nearest $100 million...  Anton Philidor | 08/05/08
Correction.  TripleII | 08/05/08
Yup all the others are much lower  tonymcs@... | 08/05/08
Try using the grey matter you are blessed with.  TripleII | 08/05/08
Accurate numbers  Anton Philidor | 08/06/08
Awesome feedback.  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Well said....  GeiselS@... | 08/06/08
That isn't the current trend.  TripleII | 08/06/08
Some data points.  TripleII | 08/05/08
Congrats!  Qbt | 08/05/08
Wow Lotus Notes by 2009  tonymcs@... | 08/05/08
Lotus Notes 8 is not your grandfather's Lotus Notes  rreddekop@... | 08/08/08
"Microsoft Free"? I thought Microsoft had a monpoly? (NT)  PB_z | 08/05/08
MS crapping their pants.  bjbrock | 08/05/08
So they damn well should be ...  fr0thy2 | 08/06/08
Say what you want about Vista  marks055@... | 08/06/08
how many licenses actually install Vista  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Regardless the comparison to Linux stands. nt  marks055@... | 08/06/08
Of course it has. But sales do not indicate the total number of users.  Update victim | 08/08/08
I love the competition for MS - but I don't think  USTechHead | 08/06/08
Just like Apple fears  GuidingLight | 08/06/08
Get a new slogan  CreepinJesus | 08/06/08
Yawn  AndyCee | 08/06/08
Actually he has a point...  USTechHead | 08/06/08
True enough...  AndyCee | 08/06/08
If IBM is contributing software...  wolf_z | 08/06/08
IBM is contributing *some* software  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Woo Hoo!  dragonbite | 08/06/08
*This* is the year of the Linux desktop. Yawn....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/08
sure, I'll buy some  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Certainly it's the year of the Linux UMPC  TripleII | 08/06/08
OK you read it here folks - bookmark the post -  USTechHead | 08/06/08
No, 2008, why wait?  TripleII | 08/06/08
Just gathering information for the EOY...  USTechHead | 08/06/08
Really, I find it exciting.  TripleII | 08/06/08
While I find that ...  USTechHead | 08/09/08
"i just love goading the nuts who want you to use their tool"  Ole Man | 08/09/08
you forget the whole market is expanding.  xuniL_z | 08/13/08
No one is saying that it is the year of the Linux desktop...  TtfnJohn | 08/08/08
Not if I have to use Lotus Notes  jpr75_z | 08/06/08
Notes is another big problem  pikeman666 | 08/06/08
Notes has transformed more than you know  rreddekop@... | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  usmc_nam_vet | 08/06/08
I like the concept of Linux and Open Source  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Does it really matter at the end of the day?  nlancaster@... | 08/06/08
wishful thinking again  marks055@... | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  FromThe80s | 08/06/08
Ha ha good luck with that.  Skullet | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  mwtimpe@... | 08/06/08
IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista nt  USTechHead | 08/06/08
Linux a HUGE waste of time  GeiselS@... | 08/06/08
So in other words you consult with MS technologies...  storm14k | 08/06/08
Like Beethoven at the keyboard  fr0thy2 | 08/06/08
You know you seem to have a lot of issues  USTechHead | 08/06/08
What false idea or incorrect view did he have?  storm14k | 08/06/08
LOL - you guys crack me up, again with the  USTechHead | 08/06/08
I have an easy way to verify it....  storm14k | 08/06/08
re:stormy - thanks for proving my point...and yes that  USTechHead | 08/09/08
anecdotal.....  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
- Thank you! ... nt  USTechHead | 08/09/08
Coming from the King of anecdotes  Ole Man | 08/09/08
Then why...  TripleII | 08/06/08
You know I find comments like this funny...  USTechHead | 08/06/08
You are right, to a point.  TripleII | 08/06/08
Its also funny...  storm14k | 08/06/08
There are always trade-offs ...  mwagner@... | 08/08/08
Sounds like a great Microsoft sales pitch  Ole Man | 08/08/08
Good for all - including Windows !  mhenriday | 08/06/08
I agree, but getting the *nux distro's to  USTechHead | 08/06/08
Microsoft=sleeping giant  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Finally....  storm14k | 08/06/08
Be careful - there are 4 fingers pointing backwards...nt  USTechHead | 08/06/08
And you pointed 4 at yourself...  storm14k | 08/06/08
Keep it going...just more proof of my comments - thank you. nt  USTechHead | 08/09/08
Your comments need no proof  Ole Man | 08/09/08
Incompatable  epcraig | 08/06/08
Watch out for animals that feel threatened!  Henrik Moller | 08/06/08
It is even more those that depend on MS.  TripleII | 08/06/08
Fur (and chairs) are going to fly!  dragonbite | 08/06/08
They have to follow through.  snaresV64 | 08/06/08
I say pick an OEM.  TripleII | 08/06/08
If anything keeps Ballmer awake at night, it's..  Userama | 08/06/08
You're a little behind the times buddy....  storm14k | 08/06/08
Why, you present no facts.  TripleII | 08/06/08
well sorry for you  Quebec-french | 08/06/08
so nobody has heard of..  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Pentaho saved our hides!  storm14k | 08/06/08
cool  dragonbite | 08/06/08
You might want to check Talend/Jaspersoft  storm14k | 08/06/08
I'm a big Firefox fan.  Userama | 08/06/08
"Microsoft-free"  dragonbite | 08/06/08
tame the wild bastards  utugau | 08/06/08
so make Linux into Microsoft?  dragonbite | 08/06/08
Excellent post!  Userama | 08/06/08
Non-issues  storm14k | 08/06/08
lol Microsoft free  croberts | 08/06/08
Choice scares you.  TripleII | 08/06/08
Not scared at all  croberts | 08/06/08
lets kill one monster at the time please (nt)  Quebec-french | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  Richard B | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  mwagner@... | 08/06/08
No further replies to this post will be accepted.  stillgolfing | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  jollygreenguy@... | 08/06/08
my bad, I need to click the correct REPLY button  jollygreenguy@... | 08/06/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  leon.j@... | 08/06/08
It isn't short term profits, it's the long term profits, if they can  softwareFlunky | 08/06/08
A MS-free desktop is what I've been using for years  John L. Ries | 08/06/08
Again, why term it "MS Free"?  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Actually...  John L. Ries | 08/06/08
Not a radical......I was referring to phrasing  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
Fortunately...  John L. Ries | 08/08/08
To answer your question...  John L. Ries | 08/06/08
Really?  Richard Flude | 08/07/08
CALs  xuniL_z | 08/12/08
Correct ...  mwagner@... | 08/08/08
Part of the deal is...  John L. Ries | 08/08/08
Message has been deleted.  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
How can anyone be for paying someone to share thoughts on using your OS???  xuniL_z | 08/06/08
Wow...do you just make this stuff up?  storm14k | 08/06/08
Reality is against you.  xuniL_z | 08/07/08
"things aren't going to change in your lifetime"  Ole Man | 08/08/08
"an intelligent person would get the picture"  Ole Man | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  Dan the Digital Dog | 08/06/08
Wow 5 or 6 ants to go up against elephant  tonymcs@... | 08/07/08
Lotus Notes 8 is not your grandfather's Notes  rreddekop@... | 08/08/08
More ZDNET troll bait  Duke E. Love | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  ukstar@... | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  Woodyboy | 08/08/08
Ubuntu-Linux Vs. Microsoft Windows Vista Vs. Apple OS X:Lepoard  robtjr30 | 08/08/08
Some how it seems cruel...  mikifinaz1@... | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  rMatey | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  rMatey | 08/08/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  Vrezh | 08/08/08
Message has been deleted.  spinin | 08/09/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
Not really  maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
The World is Ready, it is Linux that is Not  mejohnsn | 08/10/08
Possible causes for problems.  joe.smetona@... | 08/11/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  jfreedle2@... | 08/10/08
Maybe this will change your mind.  joe.smetona@... | 08/11/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  bargeemike | 08/12/08
Finally a bit of sanity  starcannon99022@... | 08/19/08
Do you really want to run Lotus  tien'kou | 09/02/08
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista  crabbypup | 09/08/08

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