Hoo that could be painful very painful
Quebec-french | 08/05/08
|

Can I get support & hardware for free too?
daMan25 | 08/06/08
|
 
...where I am wrong...
PollyProteus | 08/06/08
|
  
You want stuff? Get a job....or....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
   
It's a business model,,,,get over it,
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
    
Wake up and observe life....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
     
Wow, you mean that cause I do all my own work,,,,,
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
     
Pure lack of common sense...
storm14k | 08/07/08
|
     
More slowly this time.....
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
     
Lol @ unique...
storm14k | 08/07/08
|
     
LOL @ uninformed dogma
xuniL_z | 08/08/08
|
     
Such a bunch of childrens...
Jxn | 08/08/08
|
     
@Jxn
xuniL_z | 08/09/08
|
     
@ backwards linux guy
User07734 | 08/10/08
|
     
seriously?
xuniL_z | 08/11/08
|
     
what??
Khyron | 08/11/08
|
     
Kyron - You are on the right track.
xuniL_z | 08/11/08
|
 
Why can't ...
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
  
Why can't...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
  
It's not bad, but it's embracing closed source.
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
   
Fact: There was no alternative
IT_User | 08/06/08
|
    
Should businesses have stayed on mainframes to 2008?
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
     
You're cracking me up...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
     
Unfortunately for you...
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
     
You have read to many MS marketing
Jxn | 08/08/08
|
   
Unfortunately...
Four-Eyes | 08/06/08
|
   
Free and gratis
Jxn | 08/08/08
|
    
Trap? I can get all of my data out of windows easily.
xuniL_z | 08/10/08
|
     
Is a varmint who is caught in a trap still free?
Ole Man | 08/11/08
|
     
Horrible analogy
xuniL_z | 08/11/08
|
     
Not supposed to be an analogy
Ole Man | 08/13/08
|
 
hold your horses cowboy
Quebec-french | 08/06/08
|
  
America is socialist too!
Jack-Booted EULA | 08/06/08
|
   
wow that mean (nt)
Quebec-french | 08/06/08
|
   
So what's new?
MisterMiester | 08/06/08
|
    
So what's new?
Jack-Booted EULA | 08/06/08
|
     
You are 100% correct ...
MisterMiester | 08/06/08
|
   
You hit the nail on the head
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
  
They couldn't tell you what socialism is....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
   
Enough. Go to a politics blog if that's what you wish to discuss.
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
    
ok its stop here mr you just loose it biig time
Quebec-french | 08/06/08
|
     
Your posts are funny
markdean | 08/08/08
|
    
Enough of the truth???....typical.
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
     
There you go again.
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
     
It's depressing see xuniL_z answers to stom14k
Jxn | 08/08/08
|
     
Jxn
xuniL_z | 08/11/08
|
    
Enough - go to....
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
     
You are confused....allow me to enlighten you
xuniL_z | 08/11/08
|
  
Huh?
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
   
well im second it guy in a 3d render shop
Quebec-french | 08/06/08
|
    
That's cool it's your companies choice. It's just a tool an
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
    
2nd IT guy in 3rd guy in rendering shop?????
JABBER_WOLF | 08/06/08
|
     
Message has been deleted.
Quebec-french | 08/07/08
|
   
You are completely wrong.
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
  
This makes me laugh
markdean | 08/08/08
|
   
RIGHT ON! nt
shooter902 | 08/11/08
|
  
You are absolutely right about that!
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
 
The only support in Linux is
Richard B | 08/06/08
|
  
The only support in Linux is no support - eg ASUS
binstock@... | 08/06/08
|
  
This is silly
markdean | 08/08/08
|
  
As with Microsoft, no difference
Jxn | 08/08/08
|
  
When did you last get any "support" from Microsoft without $$$$
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
   
When did you ever get "support" from Microsoft without a hassle?
Sinbad713 | 08/29/08
|
 
everything FREE?
Update victim | 08/06/08
|
  
Where can I get hardware at just cost then?
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
   
Ahhh the capitalist pipe dream strikes again...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
    
You continue to mix up human decency and fellowship with some governernment
xuniL_z | 08/09/08
|
     
Take two valium.......
Ole Man | 08/09/08
|
     
by "worked" you mean......
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
     
That is a frightening statement.....
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
|
     
maggietoo9, you are taking a very libera view, but ignoring that ....
xuniL_z | 08/12/08
|
   
You mean wholesale, right?
markdean | 08/08/08
|
    
Insightful
xuniL_z | 08/10/08
|
 
Your first assumption is wrong.
bjbrock | 08/07/08
|
  
Yeah buddy, and on top of that
markdean | 08/08/08
|
 
Free Tech Support Here
starcannon99022@... | 08/19/08
|

Painful????
rMatey | 08/08/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
raymarc001 | 08/05/08
|

Tar balls? Kernel compiling?
Zogg | 08/05/08
|

uhhh... what?
doh123 | 08/05/08
|

Played with all versions of Linux?
CodeCurmudgeon | 08/05/08
|
 
And a good thing, too
Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/05/08
|
  
Shhh....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
   
you shhhh
Monkey_MCSE | 08/06/08
|
    
I saw thay it was....
storm14k | 08/07/08
|

Pure, unadulterated FUD.
TripleII | 08/05/08
|

Old dated.... can't you at least update the lines?
devlin_X | 08/06/08
|

1998 called...
jasonp@... | 08/06/08
|
 
Oh really...
bargeemike | 08/06/08
|
  
the problem
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
  
Funny, you always seem to neglect
devlin_X | 08/06/08
|
   
Bloody typical of Linux Fanatics...
bargeemike | 08/08/08
|
    
Talk about a fanatic!
Ole Man | 08/08/08
|
     
And another one...
bargeemike | 08/12/08
|
     
you have no clue.....
xuniL_z | 08/12/08
|
     
@ bargeemike & Xunil_z
Ole Man | 08/13/08
|

Windows is easy to install???
jvin248 | 08/06/08
|
 
Vista installed in about a half hour
marks055@... | 08/06/08
|
 
If you had to search for DLLs to install windows....
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|

Windows is easy to install???
jvin248 | 08/06/08
|

ROFL! Foot stuck in a tarball is it?
Chad_z | 08/06/08
|

Easy to Uninstall?
stillgolfing | 08/06/08
|
 
RE: Easy to Uninstall???
bfilipiak@... | 08/06/08
|
  
You said it better!
stillgolfing | 08/06/08
|

RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
obuena | 08/06/08
|

MS DOS 4.0 and Windows 386 died a long time ago.
Update victim | 08/06/08
|

Lovey by another name?
TtfnJohn | 08/08/08
|

Installing Software and drivers:
starcannon99022@... | 08/19/08
|
Great news! A smart coordinated attack on all fronts.
pjotr123 | 08/05/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
goingbust | 08/05/08
|

Who cares if it plays blue-gay nt
ThereThere | 08/07/08
|
I've given up on linux
kcredden2 | 08/05/08
|

Tip: here's an easy guide for beginners with Ubuntu 8.04
pjotr123 | 08/05/08
|
 
Done that!
elderlybloke | 08/06/08
|

dont blame the OS...
doh123 | 08/05/08
|
 
I was mad at Ubuntu when I started
iansane | 08/05/08
|
  
ignorant...
doh123 | 08/05/08
|
  
To say Linux is difficult and complicated....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
   
Well said
fr0thy2 | 08/06/08
|
   
Jeezus, I feel the SAME WAY!! I hate Windows.
Predator106 | 08/06/08
|
    
You might be suprised...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
     
Surprised????
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
 
It really is a mystery
KTLA | 08/06/08
|
 
Yeah right...
Duke E. Love | 08/08/08
|
 
It's *illegal* on these blogs to utter you don't like Linux....
xuniL_z | 08/10/08
|

Oh, italics...
zkiwi | 08/05/08
|
 
hmmm
xuniL_z | 08/10/08
|

A question...
TripleII | 08/05/08
|
 
re: A question...
none none | 08/05/08
|

You crack me up!
devlin_X | 08/06/08
|

Is this the latest pre-packaged FUD...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
 
I wondered the same thing
Chad_z | 08/06/08
|

Could say the samething about Windows
voska1 | 08/06/08
|

Well said - in reverse
oldbaritone | 08/06/08
|

Will NOT install... You may be right on that
Update victim | 08/06/08
|

ditto
ukstar@... | 08/08/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
|

Warning: segfaulting brain.
pjotr123 | 08/05/08
|
 
What part of me being so right upsets you the most? (NT)
Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
|
  
You being right?
zkiwi | 08/05/08
|
   
Yes me being right
Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
|
    
I want Linux....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
    
Upset no, bemused by you thinking you're right yes
zkiwi | 08/06/08
|
     
So which is your favorite.....
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
  
Lovey, My dad once told me that
Update victim | 08/08/08
|

Plus ...
markbn | 08/05/08
|
 
Agreed
Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
|

How's it going Loverock?
D. T. Schmitz | 08/05/08
|
 
Good
Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
|

RE: updating linux box
iansane | 08/05/08
|
 
It is annoying
Loverock Davidson | 08/05/08
|

To the Tune of 'The Beverly Hill Hillbillies'...
BanjoPaterson | 08/06/08
|
 
RE: To the tune of the "Beverly Hillbillies'
bfilipiak@... | 08/06/08
|
 
To the Tune of 'The Beverly Hill Hillbillies'...
morph000 | 08/07/08
|

It really isn't that people don't want Linux...
jasonp@... | 08/06/08
|

Hey, Rockhead, what new OS, besides Windows, ...
OButterball | 08/06/08
|

Loverock: The Linux Historian
RandallR | 08/06/08
|

Loverock
ticthak@... | 08/06/08
|

I agree with Loverock
Dan the Digital Dog | 08/06/08
|
IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
mrdt | 08/05/08
|

Thats because....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
xyz10_z | 08/05/08
|
Major app providers such as Intuit...
bjbrock | 08/05/08
|

Only one thing holds back Linux
ThereThere | 08/07/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
nxtgen59@... | 08/05/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
jackofalltradesmasterofnone | 08/05/08
|

Just asking
AndyCee | 08/06/08
|

Update or fresh install?
storm14k | 08/06/08
|

Pick a card, any card...
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|

What are you doing to cause that?
rhomp2002@... | 08/06/08
|
Your reading on the prescience meter...
techboy_z | 08/05/08
|

re: lemmings
iansane | 08/05/08
|

just to clarify
Larry Dignan | 08/05/08
|
 
3% is already here ....
MisterMiester | 08/05/08
|
  
Forrester figures
Larry Dignan | 08/06/08
|
   
Look at the data trend for Linux ...
MisterMiester | 08/06/08
|
    
Deviation?
stillgolfing | 08/06/08
|
     
And ...
MisterMiester | 08/06/08
|
   
Sorry but....
devlin_X | 08/06/08
|
   
And Forrester is automatically right?
TtfnJohn | 08/08/08
|
 
Please post your source?
TripleII | 08/05/08
|
  
Net Applications is not accurate ...
MisterMiester | 08/05/08
|
   
Thanks, the above is going into part two.
TripleII | 08/05/08
|
    
Here's what's really sad ...
MisterMiester | 08/05/08
|
  
Try www.mostly-microsoft.blogspot.com. Shows a 99.92% edge for Windows,
transposeIT | 08/05/08
|
   
I don't understand?
TripleII | 08/05/08
|

And at what point will people become sick
Pliny the Elder | 08/05/08
|
 
You don't find it ironic???
techboy_z | 08/06/08
|

Linux Warp... ?
jollygreenguy@... | 08/05/08
|
 
OS2 performed as well as any MS OS.
bjbrock | 08/05/08
|
  
Not true. Until 1997, I was an avid user of OS/2...
HypnoToad | 08/06/08
|
   
Comparing Apples to Oranges?
jollygreenguy@... | 08/06/08
|
 
The OS/2 problem was not only marketing
Update victim | 08/08/08
|
  
Precisely
John L. Ries | 08/08/08
|
Never say never ...
MisterMiester | 08/05/08
|
RE: Standards
Bozzer | 08/05/08
|

I agree
mombo | 08/06/08
|

Are you an IT person?
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|

are you talking OS or Apps?
pfyearwood | 08/06/08
|
Note to IBM: Do NOT include Notes!
ye | 08/05/08
|

Following your logic . . .
JLHenry | 08/05/08
|
To the nearest $100 million...
Anton Philidor | 08/05/08
|

Correction.
TripleII | 08/05/08
|
 
Yup all the others are much lower
tonymcs@... | 08/05/08
|
  
Try using the grey matter you are blessed with.
TripleII | 08/05/08
|
 
Accurate numbers
Anton Philidor | 08/06/08
|
 
Awesome feedback.
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|

Well said....
GeiselS@... | 08/06/08
|
 
That isn't the current trend.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
Some data points.
TripleII | 08/05/08
|
Congrats!
Qbt | 08/05/08
|
Wow Lotus Notes by 2009
tonymcs@... | 08/05/08
|

Lotus Notes 8 is not your grandfather's Lotus Notes
rreddekop@... | 08/08/08
|
"Microsoft Free"? I thought Microsoft had a monpoly? (NT)
PB_z | 08/05/08
|
MS crapping their pants.
bjbrock | 08/05/08
|

So they damn well should be ...
fr0thy2 | 08/06/08
|
 
Say what you want about Vista
marks055@... | 08/06/08
|
  
how many licenses actually install Vista
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
   
Regardless the comparison to Linux stands. nt
marks055@... | 08/06/08
|
  
Of course it has. But sales do not indicate the total number of users.
Update victim | 08/08/08
|

I love the competition for MS - but I don't think
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|

Just like Apple fears
GuidingLight | 08/06/08
|
Get a new slogan
CreepinJesus | 08/06/08
|

Yawn
AndyCee | 08/06/08
|
 
Actually he has a point...
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
  
True enough...
AndyCee | 08/06/08
|
If IBM is contributing software...
wolf_z | 08/06/08
|

IBM is contributing *some* software
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
Woo Hoo!
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
*This* is the year of the Linux desktop. Yawn....
No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/08
|

sure, I'll buy some
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|

Certainly it's the year of the Linux UMPC
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
 
OK you read it here folks - bookmark the post -
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
  
No, 2008, why wait?
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
   
Just gathering information for the EOY...
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
    
Really, I find it exciting.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
    
While I find that ...
USTechHead | 08/09/08
|
     
"i just love goading the nuts who want you to use their tool"
Ole Man | 08/09/08
|
 
you forget the whole market is expanding.
xuniL_z | 08/13/08
|

No one is saying that it is the year of the Linux desktop...
TtfnJohn | 08/08/08
|
Not if I have to use Lotus Notes
jpr75_z | 08/06/08
|

Notes is another big problem
pikeman666 | 08/06/08
|

Notes has transformed more than you know
rreddekop@... | 08/08/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
usmc_nam_vet | 08/06/08
|
I like the concept of Linux and Open Source
James Quinn | 08/06/08
|
Does it really matter at the end of the day?
nlancaster@... | 08/06/08
|
wishful thinking again
marks055@... | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
FromThe80s | 08/06/08
|
Ha ha good luck with that.
Skullet | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
mwtimpe@... | 08/06/08
|
IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista nt
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
Linux a HUGE waste of time
GeiselS@... | 08/06/08
|

So in other words you consult with MS technologies...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|

Like Beethoven at the keyboard
fr0thy2 | 08/06/08
|
 
You know you seem to have a lot of issues
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
  
What false idea or incorrect view did he have?
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
   
LOL - you guys crack me up, again with the
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
    
I have an easy way to verify it....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
    
re:stormy - thanks for proving my point...and yes that
USTechHead | 08/09/08
|
   
anecdotal.....
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
    
- Thank you! ... nt
USTechHead | 08/09/08
|
    
Coming from the King of anecdotes
Ole Man | 08/09/08
|

Then why...
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
 
You know I find comments like this funny...
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
  
You are right, to a point.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
  
Its also funny...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|

There are always trade-offs ...
mwagner@... | 08/08/08
|
 
Sounds like a great Microsoft sales pitch
Ole Man | 08/08/08
|
Good for all - including Windows !
mhenriday | 08/06/08
|

I agree, but getting the *nux distro's to
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|

Microsoft=sleeping giant
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|

Finally....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
 
Be careful - there are 4 fingers pointing backwards...nt
USTechHead | 08/06/08
|
  
And you pointed 4 at yourself...
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
   
Keep it going...just more proof of my comments - thank you. nt
USTechHead | 08/09/08
|
    
Your comments need no proof
Ole Man | 08/09/08
|
Incompatable
epcraig | 08/06/08
|
Watch out for animals that feel threatened!
Henrik Moller | 08/06/08
|

It is even more those that depend on MS.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|

Fur (and chairs) are going to fly!
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
They have to follow through.
snaresV64 | 08/06/08
|

I say pick an OEM.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
If anything keeps Ballmer awake at night, it's..
Userama | 08/06/08
|

You're a little behind the times buddy....
storm14k | 08/06/08
|

Why, you present no facts.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|

well sorry for you
Quebec-french | 08/06/08
|

so nobody has heard of..
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
 
Pentaho saved our hides!
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
  
cool
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
   
You might want to check Talend/Jaspersoft
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
 
I'm a big Firefox fan.
Userama | 08/06/08
|
  
"Microsoft-free"
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|
tame the wild bastards
utugau | 08/06/08
|

so make Linux into Microsoft?
dragonbite | 08/06/08
|

Excellent post!
Userama | 08/06/08
|

Non-issues
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
lol Microsoft free
croberts | 08/06/08
|

Choice scares you.
TripleII | 08/06/08
|
 
Not scared at all
croberts | 08/06/08
|
  
lets kill one monster at the time please (nt)
Quebec-french | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
Richard B | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
mwagner@... | 08/06/08
|
No further replies to this post will be accepted.
stillgolfing | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
jollygreenguy@... | 08/06/08
|

my bad, I need to click the correct REPLY button
jollygreenguy@... | 08/06/08
|
RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
leon.j@... | 08/06/08
|
It isn't short term profits, it's the long term profits, if they can
softwareFlunky | 08/06/08
|
A MS-free desktop is what I've been using for years
John L. Ries | 08/06/08
|

Again, why term it "MS Free"?
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
 
Actually...
John L. Ries | 08/06/08
|
  
Not a radical......I was referring to phrasing
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
   
Fortunately...
John L. Ries | 08/08/08
|
 
To answer your question...
John L. Ries | 08/06/08
|
 
Really?
Richard Flude | 08/07/08
|
  
CALs
xuniL_z | 08/12/08
|

Correct ...
mwagner@... | 08/08/08
|
 
Part of the deal is...
John L. Ries | 08/08/08
|
Message has been deleted.
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|
How can anyone be for paying someone to share thoughts on using your OS???
xuniL_z | 08/06/08
|

Wow...do you just make this stuff up?
storm14k | 08/06/08
|
 
Reality is against you.
xuniL_z | 08/07/08
|
  
"things aren't going to change in your lifetime"
Ole Man | 08/08/08
|
 
"an intelligent person would get the picture"
Ole Man | 08/08/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
Dan the Digital Dog | 08/06/08
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Wow 5 or 6 ants to go up against elephant
tonymcs@... | 08/07/08
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Lotus Notes 8 is not your grandfather's Notes
rreddekop@... | 08/08/08
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More ZDNET troll bait
Duke E. Love | 08/08/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
ukstar@... | 08/08/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
Woodyboy | 08/08/08
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Ubuntu-Linux Vs. Microsoft Windows Vista Vs. Apple OS X:Lepoard
robtjr30 | 08/08/08
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Some how it seems cruel...
mikifinaz1@... | 08/08/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
rMatey | 08/08/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
rMatey | 08/08/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
Vrezh | 08/08/08
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Message has been deleted.
spinin | 08/09/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
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Not really
maggietoo9 | 08/10/08
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The World is Ready, it is Linux that is Not
mejohnsn | 08/10/08
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Possible causes for problems.
joe.smetona@... | 08/11/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
jfreedle2@... | 08/10/08
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Maybe this will change your mind.
joe.smetona@... | 08/11/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
bargeemike | 08/12/08
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Finally a bit of sanity
starcannon99022@... | 08/19/08
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Do you really want to run Lotus
tien'kou | 09/02/08
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RE: IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista
crabbypup | 09/08/08
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