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August 26th, 2008

Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?

Posted by Sam Diaz @ 5:43 pm

Categories: Apple, General, Legal, Microsoft

Tags: Car, Apple Macintosh, Apple Inc., Psystar, Apple Mac OS, Apple Mac OS X, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Desktops, Software

Somewhere in the news coverage of Psystar’s countersuit against Apple today, I was reminded of the car analogy I use to help friends and family understand how to buy a computer.

Under the hood of a car, everything is the same. There’s an engine, transmission, battery and some spark plus, belts and hoses. It doesn’t matter if the car is a Mercedes Benz or a Kia. All cars (at least in the pre-hybrid days) worked the same. The major differences were found in the upgrades - more powerful engines, performance handling designs, enhanced safety features and so on. Even the leather seats, power windows and in-car navigation systems are upgrades. That’s why some cars cost more - and often times, perform better - than others.

Take that concept and translate it to the personal computer. Motherboard, processor, hard drive, video card, RAM and so on - they’re all in there, regardless of whether the box says Dell, HP, Sony or even Apple. That’s not to say that all chips and video cards are the same. Some components are faster and more powerful than others. That’s why you’ll see performance PCs souped up for gamers priced higher than a $500 eMachine at Wal-Mart - just like you’ll see Toyota Yaris priced significantly lower than the top-of-the line BMW X5.

And, with the right components and the technical know-how, anyone could build one. I’ve seen dozens of homemade PCs in Silicon Valley homes and have even purchased some RAM and an internal optical drive off the shelf at Fry’s Electronics. And who’s to say I can’t build a machine at sell it at my own price?  That’s basically what Michael Dell did out of his dorm room back in the 80s to start what would later become Dell, Inc., one of the top PC makers in the world.

That’s why I sort of understand where Rudy Pedraza, president and co-founder of Psystar, is coming from when he talks about his suit-countersuit legal battle with Apple. “It’s not that people don’t want to use Mac OS X, but they’re not open to spending an exorbitant amount of money for something that’s essentially generic hardware,” Pedraza said.

Last month, Apple filed suit against the Miami-based company, alleging copyright infringement, trademark infringement, breach of contract, unfair competition and more after Psystar began selling Mac clones - basically white box computers running Apple’s Mac OS X operating system. Apple alleges that OpenComputer runs “modified unauthorized version of the Leopard operating system.” Psystar denies that allegation.

Apple’s complaint against Psystar also notes that Apple has never authorized Psystar to install, use or sell the Mac OS software on any non-Apple-labeled hardware. That’s the part that has Pedraza fighting back. As for the authorization to sell Mac clones cheaper, Psystar acknowledges that Apple makes a good operating system and Psystar wants to bring it to the masses. But, no one should have to pay “exorbitant” prices for it.

Apple’s end-user licensing agreement (EULA) is clear on prohibiting the installation of Mac OS X on a non-Apple machine. Psystar attorney Colby Springer says that amounts to “restraint of trade,” one of the allegations that he wants a court to chime in on. As part of its countersuit, Psystar is asking the court to void the licensing agreement.

In the past, courts have shown interest in antitrust cases that allege “tying,” such as Microsoft’s tying of the IE browser to the Windows operating system. At the time, a large piece of the argument against Microsoft was its market share. Windows was then - and still is - the dominant player in computer software, by far. Apple has no where near the penetration that Microsoft has with Windows, though it is starting to gain share. Though not related, Apple also has been involved in other potential class-action suits over “tying,” these involving the link between the iPod and Apple’s iTunes Music store.

I don’t know that Psystar has the legal legs to stand on in its countersuit and experts warned earlier this year that if Apple is victorious, it could put Psystar out of business. On the other hand, what impact might it have on Apple if the courts rule in favor of Psystar and set a precedent on the matter of “tying?” I guess we’ll have to wait and see how the courts rule.

Apple also alleges that Psystar is doing it harm by selling an inferior product - one that makes noises, has problems with video signals, and breaks down - and linking it to the Apple brand name. When a non-Apple company is selling a Mac clone for half the price of what you would pay in an Apple store, the consumer has to pause and ask himself what risks he’s taking by buying from someone other than the source. Sure, that could come into play in the court proceedings but, until then, I can’t help but think of what my dad - and probably what the wise man of every family - would often say: “You get what you pay for.”

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?  Bozzer | 08/27/08
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Inflated priced?  nix_hed | 08/27/08
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Naw...  James Quinn | 08/27/08
RE: Linux  JakAttak | 08/27/08
Look at other tech products  Ken_z | 08/27/08
Goes GE sell their MRI software boxed sepatately? NT  Normal_z | 08/27/08
The boxed software are new OS's versions  James Quinn | 08/27/08
LOL  Bozzer | 08/27/08
Long Island Ice Teas for me please...  James Quinn | 08/27/08
re: The boxed software  Badgered | 08/27/08
A new OS designed and meant to work on a Mac!!!  James Quinn | 08/27/08
Again, difference in PoV  Badgered | 08/27/08
Sort of  frgough | 08/27/08
Boot Camp  djchandler | 08/27/08
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isn't it 25 years too late ?  RRWM | 08/27/08
Ignore?  daengbo | 08/27/08
Ignore the iPod? Yes - let's  RRWM | 08/27/08
Or Apple could gain much more market share ....  cmateski | 08/27/08
Except that it's a stupid idea.  frgough | 08/27/08
You're asking...  djchandler | 08/27/08
...but only if they erode Microsoft's stranglehold on the OEM market  RRWM | 08/27/08
I've long said that Apple...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/27/08
Oops my bad... my reply to you is below  James Quinn | 08/27/08
Microsoft would be completely within  frgough | 08/27/08
Apple stuck in the '80s  djchandler | 08/27/08
Get over it!  GoPower | 08/27/08
If you believe in an RDF then delusional is something  James Quinn | 08/27/08
Jim that is your choice  Howard Pierson | 08/27/08
The way businesses are bought and sold today...  James Quinn | 08/27/08
Did you still have software support  Howard Pierson | 08/27/08
As a consumer you get to choose but you don't  James Quinn | 08/27/08
re:Jim that is your choice  IT_Veteran | 08/27/08
Reality Distortion Field  djchandler | 08/27/08
Well this is a classic example of angree ex  James Quinn | 08/27/08
Bingo. And another factor, albeit a loose association and a tagential one.  HypnoToad | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  eweingartner@... | 08/27/08
It;s about choice  mmunroe@... | 08/27/08
I don't think anyone is stop[ing MS from doing  James Quinn | 08/27/08
One migh argue that Apple...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/27/08
So are you arguing that the Macintosh is not a PC?  James Quinn | 08/27/08
But there are only two major options...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/27/08
How is this any different than a PS3, an Xbox, a Wii?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/27/08
You're wrong there...  IT_Veteran | 08/27/08
You made two errors  bmerc | 08/28/08
One might argue that Ford has a monopoly on the Ford Taurus too  bmerc | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  docmiyagi@... | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  cjkeller | 08/27/08
Apple Business model  Mectron | 08/27/08
Why is Apple different then Microsoft?  jscott418 | 08/27/08
Simplifying the complex  vic25629@... | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  rsardisco1@... | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  nfiertel | 08/27/08
are u talking about specs?  zomgguy | 08/27/08
Apple anti competative  The Management consultant | 08/27/08
Leave Apple Alone  dcmorrow | 08/27/08
Yes they are bothering people  zomgguy | 08/27/08
This seems absurd  dcmorrow | 08/28/08
Yes and here is why.  Been_Done_Before | 08/27/08
Weak argument  frgough | 08/27/08
The chip example was for lexmark.. but in this case they are side stepping.  Been_Done_Before | 08/27/08
Apple is not infallible  LDCMobile | 08/27/08
RE: Apple is different from MS  The Management consultant | 08/27/08
Restraint of trade is an interesting angle  heres_johnny | 08/27/08
RE: What's good for the goose...  tonyman262 | 08/27/08
The reason why it is handled differently....  jrlambert | 08/27/08
accessible for all !  cymru999 | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  lylejk@... | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  mwagner@... | 08/27/08
While I agree with much you say.  Howard Pierson | 08/27/08
Except that  j.m.galvin | 08/27/08
What percentage of the  Howard Pierson | 08/27/08
You're not entitled to anything  j.m.galvin | 08/27/08
You do have a choice  IT_Veteran | 08/27/08
"We are talking about an OS that is a necessity for businesses to use..."  bmerc | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  kenny@... | 08/27/08
What Apple does is obviously illegal!  Narg | 08/27/08
But then we would have nothing to argue about!  HypnoToad | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  I_Byte | 08/27/08
Why Not  jgibson24 | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  jgibson24 | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  The Smoking Man | 08/27/08
Recipes dont make chefs  g15host | 08/27/08
re: Recipes  Badgered | 08/27/08
Psystar should be run out of business!!!  sjspartan@... | 08/27/08
I have a 8 yr. old Dell  j_gregory@... | 08/27/08
If You're Concerned About "Tying" ...  escapepod | 08/27/08
They only go after monopolies...  eMJayy | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  Update victim | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  RobinInTheHood | 08/27/08
I don't think it's dumb XD  zomgguy | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  Tufelhunden | 08/27/08
Psystar is right.  Windy-1 | 08/27/08
RE: Psystar suit and IBM  tkepner | 08/27/08
Apple never forces you to purchase the OS  James Quinn | 08/27/08
re: Apple never forces  Badgered | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  talontamer | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  znmeb | 08/27/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  rhys.eunson@... | 08/27/08
It has an argument, but it shouldn't argue it. It could ruin the best OS  Paul18992 | 08/28/08
Troll-tastic!  bmerc | 08/28/08
4/10 on the Troll Scale  Badgered | 08/28/08
Sorry if any offence was taken earlier  Paul18992 | 08/29/08
re: Sorry  Badgered | 09/02/08
Ok, I'm wrong again..  Paul18992 | 09/04/08
re:Sorry  Badgered | 10/17/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  diom1982 | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  dodonfred | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  The Management consultant | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  The Management consultant | 08/28/08
it is about time.  genefitz1976 | 08/28/08
Everything in this universe being perspective, It's a freakin computer.  invmgr@... | 08/28/08
I think a case could be made either way...  John L. Ries | 08/28/08
Standard lawyer stuff  j.m.galvin | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument..? NO. They don't.  ks. | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  techrepublic@... | 08/28/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  bob3160_z | 08/29/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  Kai Ahnig | 08/29/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  vinodchand@... | 08/29/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  skydivebob | 08/29/08
Response to evilkillerwhale comments  rpsin | 08/30/08
New here?  rtk | 08/30/08
APPLE wants to keep Kicking it's OWN ARSE  XweAponX | 08/30/08
Nope, but you can kick your own if you wish...  vulpine@... | 09/19/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  catmedia | 09/08/08
Price complaining argument is weak!!  BJM2727 | 09/09/08
RE: Is Mac free?  The Management consultant | 09/11/08
OS X is not free...  vulpine@... | 09/24/08
Apple has a monopoly  jorjitop | 10/03/08
RE: Does Psystar have a legit argument in Apple countersuit?  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 11/19/08
Look at the IP issues & attorney point of view  davetracer@... | 03/19/09

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