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March 12th, 2007

Want to gripe at a spammer? Here's one you can call.

Posted by David Berlind @ 12:35 pm

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Here's something you don't get everyday: spam with a working phone number and a picture of the spammer (see partial screenshot, left). If you're fed up with spam and want to complain to someone about it, how better to get it off your chest than to tell a spammer — any spammer — what you think of spamming practices. After all, wouldn't it make you feel better if you had a shot at changing at least one spammer's mind?

Now is your chance.

In fairness to the spammer in this case, spam is one of those e-mail classifications where beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Much the same way one man's junk is another man's pleasure, what is viewed as spam by some is not necessarily viewed as spam by others. Unsolicited commercial email (UCE) is considered by many (including me) to be a form of spam. UCE is the sort of e-mail where someone or some business that's ultimately interested in your money solicits you via e-mail without having had a prior business relationship with you (there are non-commercial forms of spam as well).

Before Congress enacted the Can Spam act, there were forms of anti-spam legislation that required senders of UCE to have such prior business relationships with recipients before e-mail solicitations could be sent. But the various marketing lobbies whose constituents were gravely threatened by the prospect of not being able to send us junk mail managed to weild their influence the  and result is a fairly toothless law. Instead of requiring some prior business relationship with recipients, senders of UCE must provide a way for recipients to opt-out. The marketers got their way. There are enough loopholes in the law that it wouldn't require much in the way of creative thinking in order for a spammer to keep sending you UCE without breaking the law (even though you may have opted-out of one or more of his or her e-mail lists).

As a result, we're left to our own devices to solve the problem. We can run anti-spam solutions. But they're invariably imperfect solutions (if you develop one of these solutions, please do not contact me to convince me otherwise). In the course of blocking bad mail, they also occasionally block the good mail too (a false positive). As a result, we have three choices: ease up the blocking rules (which let's more spam into our inboxes), regularly check the spam (junk mail) folder to make sure it hasn't absconded with some good mail (why bother having an anti-spam solution at all if you have to do this), or don't check the spam folder at all and accept the false positives as collateral damage (not a good idea).

Although it's not mutually exclusive to the other three choices, now, thanks to a spam I received this morning, you have a fourth remedy. It may not affect the volume of spam in your inbox. But it might make you feel better to know you've done your part to battle spam. Although this particular UCE item had an unsubscribe link (putting it in compliance with the Can Spam Act), it was, after all, unsolicited. In other words, to me, it was spam. The mail in question came from PresentationExcellence.com, a company with which I have no prior relationship (business or otherwise) and it was a solicitation to attend a workshop being taught by Jerry Cahn.

In addition having a picture of the affable-looking Cahn (above left), the e-mail contains a mini-resume in hopes of convincing us of his credibility and qualifications to run the workshop. He's got a Ph.D. as well as his Juris Doctor (law degree) and has held C-level positions for a couple of organizations. He seems likes smart guy. That is, until you call him, which I did since he also provided his phone number on the spam. I have no reservations about publishing it here since the number is also on his Web site. It's 1-646-827-0009.

After dialing the number, I was actually surprised to hear the phone get answered "Jerry Cahn."  It was him in the flesh. The reason I called is because I'm always interested in knowing how I end on these e-mail lists. OK, I'm obsessed with the question. It's probably because I secretly fantasize about finding the person who sold my address to Cahn after harvesting it (along with a bunch of others) from the Internet and, well, we won't go there. Or maybe Cahn harvested it. So I asked Cahn point blank "Where did you get my address from?" I could have asked the question in a slightly different way: "What &$%^#!* right do you #$%^#@ have to *%^$#)(@ invade my #$@^%* inbox?" Yes. When you take liberties with my inbox, it really gets under my skin. 

Cahn didn't have an answer. "Maybe you took one of our seminars before" said Cahn. Nope. Cahn offered to take me off the list, took down my number, and said he'd get back to me after he found out. That was it. For a guy as smart and educated as he is, I hung up the phone wondering how it could be that he had no other plausible explanation to offer. Surely, if he's the one answering his phone, then he's also got his hands in most other if not all aspects of his business and he should have some idea of how his e-mail lists are sourced (as a sidebar, I believe this to be one of the teeth missing in legislation; lack of audit trails on this data). Most of the business day has passed without getting a call back. I'm not surprised. Spammers have no compunction about invading your privacy and time whenever and however they feel like doing it. But when you actually invade theirs, they not nearly as interested in responding to you as they would be if you had your credit card out. 

So, here's my message to Mr. Cahn: The reason I'm on your list is because you or someone you bought the list from harvested it from the Internet or another list, maybe one that was for sale. If my email address appeared somewhere in an intended context — for example here on ZDNet as a means of contacting me about what I've written or on a list that I actually belong on (eg: the list of customers to some on-line merchant) — I can assure you that the existence of my e-mail address on your list is several light years away from any of those legitimate contexts. I'm rather certain the same is true of the other e-mail addresses on your lists. Thank you for never putting my e-mail address on another one of your correspondences again and for not redistributing my e-mail address to others.

Since there's a chance that your name could end up on Mr. Cahn's e-mail list, my suggestion is to be proactive about it by beating him to the punch. After all, since the law doesn't require you to have a pre-existing relationship with Mr. Cahn before you can spam him, why not work the law to your advantage (just make sure you leave instructions on how to prevent further transmissions, like "to unsubscribe, reply with unsubscribe in the subject line."). Let Cahn know you don't want to receive any e-mail from him. Although I didn't check, he should be OK with this. Since he has no problems reaching out to people he doesn't know, why would he object to others reaching out to him? He's easy to reach at 1-646-827-0009.  Or, you can e-mail him at info@presentationexcellence.com.

David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.
  • Talkback
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RE: Want to gripe at a spammer? Here's one you can call.
No way I'd waste my breath, BW or ether on him. He's not worth it. My advice is to put him on every blocklist in existance until his mails end up going nowhere.

How come the "also read" links with these articles always go to articles that are 4 to 7 years old? NOT very useful links.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: twaynesdomain Posted on: 07/22/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
no time to play game  Mectron | 03/12/07
Yeah...yeah!  cgarrett | 03/13/07
I dont trust him  MIS Master | 03/13/07
*67  el1jones | 03/13/07
Holy Cow! ZDNet getting into mafia biz...  Narg | 03/13/07
Nah, Whack him  donho | 03/13/07
privacy? you got it bass-ackwards.  jmelnik | 03/13/07
What's wrong with this picture...  Auntie Spam | 03/13/07
Black market email  Bucky24 | 03/14/07
THEN You gave him your PHONE NUMBER!!??  bsfisher | 03/13/07
Forward spam to elected officials!!  hanamc@... | 03/13/07
sending back junk mail  elainecleo | 03/13/07
Sounds brilliant but...  timteck | 03/13/07
No, just letting them live with themselves.  hanamc@... | 03/13/07
Your point is good  timteck | 03/13/07
Spam Back!!!  mames1701 | 03/13/07
Spam Back?  yen2 | 03/13/07
Nice idea  timteck | 03/13/07
You don't know the company  EDinNY | 03/13/07
Are we sure the spam wasn't from one of Cahn's enemies?  MrTitanium | 03/13/07
Supplied Email Address No Longer Works  gbcurtis | 03/13/07
Try this email address:  Cerebral*Origami | 03/13/07
Get Over your Vendetta  sbrooks@... | 03/13/07
Spoken like a true spammer.  cyanblade | 03/13/07
Not that I am calling sbrooks a spammer.  cyanblade | 03/13/07
Why?  Badgered | 03/13/07
I See Both Your Points, but...  sbrooks@... | 03/13/07
But when the civilized method is compromised...  cyanblade | 03/13/07
I applaud your sense of compassion  Badgered | 03/13/07
Why can't we all just live together? Compassion?  WilBen_z | 03/14/07
SPAM - TOTAL WASTE OF MY TIME + SPACE!!  info@... | 03/13/07
SPAM HAS CONVINCED ME TO TURN TO OTHER METHODS OF COMMUNICATION  info@... | 03/13/07
Spammers should be spammed. Its EASY to do.  dwill05@... | 03/13/07
Poor guy.  WilBen_z | 03/14/07
Interesting...  Bucky24 | 03/14/07
Read what I wrote  dwill05@... | 03/15/07
Forgot to add, this has worked for me  dwill05@... | 03/15/07
Who did you really talk to  Therry | 03/13/07
E-mail and Faxes originate fron Canada  hanamc@... | 03/13/07
research a little better  jjarman | 03/14/07
Consequenses  lanctor@... | 03/13/07
SPAM the Spambots - THE BEST WAY  joemartn | 03/13/07
Won't work.  falnar69 | 03/13/07
Spam-A-Lam-A-Ding -Dong  david_Pottier@... | 03/13/07
Long meesage, no help.  WilBen_z | 03/14/07
IC3 URL  david_Pottier@... | 03/15/07
My EX employer - the ISP spammer!  metaluna@... | 03/13/07
Poor Cleint Relations  david_Pottier@... | 03/15/07
Send a virus  muehlbauer | 03/14/07
Harsh  terry_jeffreys@... | 03/16/07
Two easy solutions to junk  usrhlp | 03/16/07
Doing my part too....  Serpent77 | 03/20/07
longer  kabijeyam | 05/08/07
RE: Want to gripe at a spammer? Here's one you can call.  frantran@... | 07/21/08
RE: Want to gripe at a spammer? Here's one you can call.  twaynesdomain | 07/22/08

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