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June 25th, 2007

Google improves 'Apps', offers organizations clear path off Exchange, Notes, etc. to GMail

Posted by David Berlind @ 3:07 pm

Categories: General, Google Apps To-Do List, IT Management, IT Matters Podcast, Office 2.0, Podcasts, Software Infrastructure, Web technology

Tags: Google Inc., Google Gmail, IBM Lotus Notes, Server, E-mail, David Berlind

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Although the company doesn’t like to position itself as competition to the likes of Microsoft, the announcements made by Google today — particularly the one about a way for organizations to siphon the e-mail out of any IMAP-compatible server (including Microsoft Exchange and Lotus Notes) into GMail — clearly reach into the lion’s den in Redmond.

To get a run-down of today’s announcements, I recorded a podcast interview with Google director of product management Matthew Glotzbach. To hear the interview, you can press the play button above. Or you can also download it to your desktop and play it at your convenience. The interview is a part of my IT Matters series of podcasts. To find out more about subscribing to these other podcasts in a way that they automatically show up on your PC, MP3 player, or both, check out my how to.

If you could point at a single on-premises solution that has many corporations and other organizations tied to other Microsoft technologies, that solution could very well be Exchange Server (mostly used for e-mail and group calendaring). Without an Exchange server, the need for a bunch of other Microsoft technologies from Windows Server to Active Directory to Outlook and even Windows on the desktop (I know many an Entourage user who isn’t happy with their so-called Mac compatibility with Exchange) is easily questioned.

However, moving off of Exchange Server to a substitute is no easy task. The first question is what substitute and why? There are substitutes like Lotus Notes and, more recently, Scalix’s on-premises solution that promise to offer improved scalability, better total cost of ownership, or both (claims that some question). But overall, to the extent that one on-premises solution is being swapped out for another, they may not be the game changers to organizations that they promise to be. For organizations that are really ready to re-think their approach to those on-premises solutions, Google today announced a migration tool that in one fell swoop (at least after all the accounts are properly mapped), uses the IMAP protocol to suck all the e-mail out of an IMAP compatible server like Microsoft’s Exchange or Lotus Notes and deposit it into an organization’s instance of Google Apps.

For organizations, Google Apps is a hosted, branded service consisting of several applications and services that for each subscribing organization, run in a private partitioned context behind what can best be described as a virtual private firewall (where your intranet is essentially hosted and outsider inaccessibility to it is secured by the hoster’s firewall). What are the benefits of turning off an on-premises server in favor of a hosted service? Well, keeping those e-mail systems running and performing well are no longer your headache. They’re someone else’s (in this case, Google’s). No more upgrading complicated server software either. As Google adds new features to its services, its customers basically inherit those features without having to do much. Particularly the customers that use the Web-based interfaces (as opposed to local clients like Thunderbird or Outlook).

What are the downsides? Some companies haven’t developed a comfort level with keeping their sensitive data — particularly their e-mail — anywhere but behind their own corporate firewalls. Additionally, in the case of this announcement, GMail is unlike most other e-mail solutions in that it doesn’t use folders as a means of organizing e-mails. Instead, it uses a tagging system that’s very much like foldering, but that could take some getting used to. In fact, when migrating accounts from an IMAP-based server to GMail, e-mail that’s stored in some folder ends up getting tagged with that folder’s name instead. One benefit to this way of organizing emails is that they can be tagged with multiple tags (sort of like being able to store one e-mail in multiple folders). Another problem with GMail is that as e-mail clients go, it can’t go into an offline mode. But now that Google has introduced Google Gears (a technology that makes it possible for Web-based applications to work even when the Web is inaccessible), it will only be a matter of time before this problem goes away.

The bottom line on the migration tool announcement is that this is not to be underestimated as a move to win businesses over to the hosted e-mail model and the purveyors (Microsoft and IBM) of the two leading on-premises solutions (Exchange and Notes) are the ones in Google’s crosshairs.

In addition to the migration tool announcement, Google also announced some other improvements to its portfolio of apps. One of them is that GTalk now supports multi-person chat. However, the functionality is not yet baked into the downloadable GTalk client. Instead, the capability is only available with the browser-based GTalk widget which, according to Glotzbach is based on Adobe’s Flash technology. I gave the new widget a glancing try today and it seemed to work pretty well.

Another welcome addition is what can best be described as the beginning stages of a directory service for users of Google Apps. For example, today, if you want to share a document with someone else in your Google Apps domain, you have to address them with their entire e-mail address even though their domain may be the same as yours. Now, so long as the people you want to collaborate with are in the organization’s shared address book, they are addressable by their alias instead of their entire e-mail address.

There were a few other features that Glotzbach taked about. Be sure to check out the podcast to get the complete rundown.

David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.
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Posted by: sj_z Posted on: 08/24/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Don't underestimate the hatred of Exchange  Chad_z | 06/26/07
Can't email?  sordito | 06/26/07
Don't forget SOX compliance  fr0thy2. | 06/26/07
wishful thinking  Khyron | 06/26/07
And, it can cost $75,000 a year to administer a small group of email users  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
cheap  Khyron | 06/26/07
also  Khyron | 06/26/07
Up to 2.5 gigabytes per employees is FREE. And, even at $50 per year, you  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
HUH!!!!  xuniL_z | 07/02/07
Let's see, 100 employees x $50 per employee, is $5,000.  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
ha.  xuniL_z | 07/02/07
No overestimations involved.  Dr. John | 06/26/07
How many have you met?  rtk | 06/27/07
97% uptime? Ugh.  mosborne | 06/26/07
alternatives....  sj_z | 06/26/07
Yes, Notes is an excellent alternative for those that want for Google  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
What are you two smoking?  rtk | 06/27/07
update  sj_z | 08/24/07
Don't underestimate the usefullness of Exchange  GuidingLight | 06/27/07
There's a correlation  rtk | 06/27/07
As a Google Apps Premeire subscriber,  jacarter3 | 06/26/07
Replace Exchange/Office/Outlook?  sordito | 06/26/07
Simple?  bkinsey@... | 06/26/07
Right, the life of the administrator for Exchange gets REALLY complicated  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
I CAN guarantee that the SMB administrator  GuidingLight | 06/26/07
I CAN guarantee that AS A SMB administrator  jacarter3 | 06/27/07
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU  xuniL_z | 06/29/07
MSOL is usable with Firefox..  SWtester | 06/26/07
That wasn't my experience.  jacarter3 | 06/27/07
So, you're SOL without MS, eh? wink *NT*  heres_johnny | 06/27/07
Until the question of SOX is answered satisfactorily...  Confused by religion | 06/26/07
RE: Until the question of SOX is answered satisfactorily...  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
Google allows export in many differen formats.  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
RE: Google allows export in many differen formats.  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE...  Mike Cox | 06/26/07
85% Uptime .. Hmm....  gsterner@... | 06/26/07
Exchange is GARBAGE  ITGuy04 | 06/26/07
volumes of email  Khyron | 06/26/07
How's about e-mails for a real project?  Solid Water | 06/26/07
HOOKED!  GuidingLight | 06/26/07
Fish on! Fish on!  shawkins | 06/26/07
Re: Exchange is GARBAGE  jburra@... | 07/01/07
Obviously  xuniL_z | 07/02/07
8.5  PMDubuc | 06/26/07
9.8 - subtle (nt)  BanjoPaterson | 06/26/07
no worries  llval@... | 06/26/07
Wow, lotsa hits that time...  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 06/26/07
9.5- Almost spit up my coffee  heres_johnny | 06/27/07
Major HIPAA Concerns  gsterner@... | 06/26/07
You use encrypted email for HIPAA data?  Chad_z | 06/26/07
The issue comes down to trust...  mkatzer@... | 06/26/07
RE: The issue comes down to trust...  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
Read again, if you make things public, this just gives Google the right to  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
The clauses 11.1 and 11.2, just gives Google the right  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
Google path for RNC?  topsight | 06/26/07
READ THEIR LICENSE !!! Only a fool would agree to it. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/26/07
Yes, I totally agree. The MS EULAs are terrible. You give them the right to  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
lesser of evils  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
"we own our data"  jacarter3 | 06/26/07
RE: "we own our data"  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
Upgrades, or not as the case may be!  558742 | 06/26/07
RE: Upgrades, or not as the case may be!  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
patching horrid?  Khyron | 06/26/07
RE: patching horrid  gdstark13 | 06/26/07
patching  Khyron | 06/26/07
Calendar  Andy123123 | 06/26/07
You can outsource Exchange hosting too.  lkujala | 06/26/07
But, you still get a big bill, and the headaches of Outlook, MS Office,  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
"Comfort level"?  GonePhishing | 06/26/07
What a JOKE !  GeiselS@... | 06/26/07
I think you are wrong  Andy123123 | 06/26/07
Very good points. For small to midsize businesses expecially, they can NOT  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
Security.  rtk | 06/27/07
Moronic comment  online@... | 06/26/07
uhuh - replacing one empire of evil with another  llval@... | 06/26/07
Who's the moron here?  KenE2 | 06/27/07
google mail??  ve3kre@... | 06/26/07
using US servers - not likely  ismoore | 06/26/07
lol  Khyron | 06/26/07
My Daddy Always Said.......  marc@... | 06/26/07
that is known as competitive edge  ismoore | 06/28/07
US? Privacy? hat is that?  kdjkdj@... | 06/26/07
NOT US Servers  Marty R. Milette | 06/26/07
iPhone business opening?  MacCanuck | 06/26/07
You saw what I saw?  jscottaloi | 06/26/07
All they are missing  jim.aimone@... | 06/26/07
IF Google had IMAP, it might be a "Go"  SWtester | 06/26/07
Large company privacy  kdjkdj@... | 06/26/07
MS Exchange is the big risk here, NOT Google. For large companies that have  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
Intranet  kdjkdj@... | 06/26/07
I have had local managed (better mismanaged) email. Do you really want  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
Google needs to add RSA "locking" of files for security  PaulJulio | 06/26/07
Encryption everywhere  kdjkdj@... | 06/26/07
As Microsoft found out, don't put anything in email that you don't want to  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
An Appliance Version Is Preferable to Hosted Version  dhettinger | 06/26/07
The appliance is NOT a sliver bullet for security. The appliance still has  DonnieBoy | 06/26/07
This is a misleading article  smorgan3@... | 06/27/07
all or nothing is not the only choice  spiv | 06/27/07

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