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July 23rd, 2007

By 2010, will Windows 'Seven' (or any desktop OS) really matter?

Posted by David Berlind @ 1:22 pm

Categories: Apple, General, Hardware Infrastructure, IT Management, Office 2.0, Personal Technology, Software Infrastructure, Vista, Web technology

Tags: Desktop OS, Desktop, Newsletter, Microsoft Windows XP, Operating System, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Corp., Web Browser, Mashup

There’s probably no better example of how Microsoft seems to be sweeping left while the rest of the computing world sweeps right than today’s edition of ZDNet Tech Update Today (the newsletter that we send out daily to those who’ve subscribed to it).

The lead story in that newsletter (which, as one of the editors of the newsletter, I draw attention to), points to fellow blogger Dion Hinchcliffe’s discussion of a bumper crop of new mashup platforms. Whereas mashup development has skyrocketed in the last year, enterprises represent one stronghold where the relatively recent approach to rapid application development has yet to really break through. Hinchcliffe considers the reasons why (my take: mashups are still a little too brittle for mission critical stuff) but also points out how most if not all of the 17 mashup development platforms he identified target the enterprise.
Meanwhile, in the same newsletter, Dan Farber’s top “pick” (this, in our estimation, is the second most important story of the day) points to Mary Jo Foley’s discussion of 2010 as the target delivery timeframe for “Windows Seven.”

Today, I’m a user of both Windows XP and Windows Vista and while I remain convinced that Vista is a better OS than XP, my usage of XP serves as a constant reminder that when it comes to getting my work done, I’m not getting it done any faster or better in Vista. In fact, because of the way several things have been moved around in Vista, and because of the way Internet Explorer 7, in an effort to protect us from ourselves, locks up the Web in a chastity belt, I often find myself being slowed down by Vista. It may only be a matter of time before I get used to it (and figure out how to reconfigure IE7 with the necessary wiggle room). But the bottom line is that (a) I’m definitely not more productive and (b) if I finally get to a point where I am more productive, it won’t be by much.

One reason that my productivity hasn’t improved much is that I find myself spending more and more time in my browser (accessing Web applications). Wordpress (as one example) is our platform of choice for publishing blogs and it’s all done in a browser. I hardly ever do any word processing any more and when I do, I do it with Google Docs because of how (1) I can access that document from anywhere, even without my computer and (2) how easy it is to share those documents with others. Banking? Done in my browser. Attendee tracking for Mashup Camp? Done in my browser. E-Mail? Not inlcuding corporate e-mail (for which a browser-based client — Outlook Web Access — exists), so much of what I do, I do it in a browser.

Unfortunately for Microsoft, it’s getting much tougher to win on the basis of browser differentiation. Especially when your browser only runs on one operating system. Also, unfortunately for Microsoft, the pendulum is going to keep swinging in the browser’s direction. Maybe not entirely. There’ll always be some room for desktop apps (two I use religiously are Snag-It and Photoshop.

But, by 2010, when, according to Mary Jo, the next version of Windows is likely to debut, the questions for Microsoft will be how far will the pendulum have swung by then and, to the extent that we’re living in a browser-based world (or even a rich Internet app world where Silverlight is Microsoft’s play), what difference if any can a new version of Windows make?

In fairness to Microsoft, what choice does it have but to eventually come out with a new version of Windows (as well as Office) every so often? Also in fairness to Microsoft, it’s not like the company hasn’t grokked the swinging pendulum either. Like Google, eBay, Yahoo, and other API providers, not only has Microsoft been rolling out a variety of APIs for consumption by Web-based applications (eg: the Virtual Earth API), as Don Hinchcliffe points out, it’s currently alpha testing Popfly. According to Microsoft’s Web site for Popfly:

We believe that if you can send an email, you should be able to build and personalize your own website, mashup, social networking site, or blog….

…..Popfly applications run on the client Web browser and are not designed for server-side processing…..You need IE 6, IE 7, or Firefox 2.0. We support IE 6 and 7 (Windows XP SP2 and Windows Vista) and Firefox 2 (Windows XP SP2, Windows Vista, and Mac OS X)….

….You need Silverlight…..

Even with the Silverlight part (no small caveat given the dominance of other similar runtimes like Adobe’s Flash and Sun’s Java), Microsoft’s Popfly in no small way acknowledges the direction that the pendulum is swinging.

Personally speaking, that swing could come soon enough. It’s not that I have anything against Windows, Linux, the Mac OS or any other operating system. But, recently, I experienced two major upgrades. One was to the Summer 2007 version of salesforce.com. The other was to Vista. Upgrading to the Summer 2007 version of salesforce.com was very painful (not). Basically, it involved pressing the refresh button on my browser (continued below)…

Salesforce.com ‘07 partial screen shot

…..(continued from above) One minute, I had the old version. The next minute, the new. As for Vista? Well, let’s just say it wasn’t that simple. And to be clear, I’m not singling out Vista because it’s Windows or it’s from Microsoft. Had the newsletter juxtaposed the ever-growing mashup ecosystem with a story about the next version of OS X or Linux, I would have said the exact same thing. What do you think?

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David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.
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That is what scares them  GuidingLight | 07/23/07
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Not even... (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
Google's "income" is scary...  fr0thy2. | 07/24/07
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MAINFRAMES  Apollo21 | 07/24/07
Mainframes are "big powerful PCs"??? BWAHWAHWHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
Does anyone here care ?  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
it's 2007 and it doesn't really matter...  Arm A. Geddon | 07/23/07
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3 years from now won't be much different  zmud | 07/23/07
It's only the Jurassic Age  reedjjjr | 07/23/07
...maybe but 2010 is way too close for that, 2020 maybe  fr0thy2. | 07/24/07
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Yeah, like I trust anything posted to UTube...  Confused by religion | 07/23/07
The funniest part being that it's about people just like you.  odubtaig | 07/23/07
Not funny  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/23/07
Thank you ...  Confused by religion | 07/23/07
RE: Yeah, like I trust anything posted to UTube...  joe6pack_z | 07/23/07
did you...  Spiritusindomit@... | 07/24/07
YouTube, where idiots congregate..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/07
You got that right!....  fr0thy2. | 07/24/07
You must be at YouTube a LOT  critic-at-arms | 07/24/07
Forgot your meds again I see  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
Sad, but true... You know you can't even remove a root cert from YOUR pc...  Basic Logic | 07/23/07
Nice nomenclature. Who are you trying to fool?  GuidingLight | 07/23/07
yawn  CobraA1 | 07/24/07
YouTube: Proof that...  Scrat | 07/24/07
Now there is trustworthy news service - YouTube...  fr0thy2. | 07/24/07
Well that proves that any ....  fr0thy2. | 07/24/07
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lol what?  Khyron | 07/25/07
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3rd party OS shells  devils_advocate | 07/24/07
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Yes. OS will still matter... a lot.  quux | 07/24/07
Windows 3.0...  jasonp@... | 07/24/07
Upgrades ... your choice  quux | 07/24/07
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Hey Wait a min....  qtrback | 07/24/07
Industry disappointed by Vista  Chad_z | 07/24/07
We are disapointed with you, Chad  John Zern | 07/24/07
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desktop OS?  Insight Driver | 08/01/07
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Red Herring?  Freebird54 | 07/24/07
I'm not sure what shops you deal with but...  fr0thy2. | 07/24/07
RE:I'm not sure what shops you deal  ruped24 | 07/24/07
I cannot believe I am reading this...  Mike Cox | 07/24/07
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New Windows releases anticipate new machines years out  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
A little correction here on  pobstar1@... | 08/05/07
Learning personality characteristics at the expense of productivity  trentreviso | 08/05/07
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The truth is......  reception@... | 07/24/07
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What he said  aussiedawg | 07/24/07
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Utility?  Freebird54 | 07/24/07
Wireless will get the world connected, but standalone PCs will remain.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
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New OS's in General...  rexdexter | 07/24/07
deployment and networking will change  ismoore | 07/24/07
We Need a New MS OS - and Soon!  CSUjr | 07/24/07
He keeps all his docs on the Web? That's simply nuts.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
All docs on the web...nuts...  jguyp725@... | 07/24/07
It's not that OSes don't matter - they're becoming a liability!  jlafitte | 07/24/07
Excellent points  quux | 07/24/07
embedding Linux in Mozilla browser plug-in  bcroner | 07/24/07
what matters is-  zclayton2 | 07/24/07
OS? Subsystem? Application?  tcrg311 | 07/24/07
When he was running Win98, did he say "in 2003...."?  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
Planned Obsolescence Ultimately Rules  baumjwb | 07/24/07
It's not "Planned Obsolescenes" (sounds like Art Bell), it's tech advance  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
XP & Vista, desktop or not-  Jim Johnson | 07/24/07
Microsoft becoming more irrelevant...  3dtodd | 07/24/07
U complain about Microsoft then praise Apple for putting it on the Macs????  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
I think he's referring to Windows Applications  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
Sure XP will run on current Macs, and no he's talking about MS in general  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
I do believe Apple has gained market share  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
Look, you're a standalone user, not a global bank w/ 60,000 employees  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
You sound like Al Capone  Ole Man | 07/30/07
IT IS ALL THE RAGE !!!!  Apollo21 | 07/24/07
I see the OS's blending coming on par  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
Who cares about "versatility" - smakes of "diversity"  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
Simple, it works better, less bugs  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
How can OS X be called more "stable" when it pushes less and is on less?  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
So where does driver certification come in ?  intrepi@... | 07/24/07
Apple runs to Intel and Microsoft, not vice versa  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
Nope!.... it's "because" of stuff like this  Ole Man | 07/30/07
The lines will continue to blur ...  mwagner@... | 07/24/07
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Thin clients are an old dead end. PCs are totally inexpensive these days.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
When a server goes down on a thin client network, who suffers?  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
BUT server down on PC network....  JeanLePharmacien | 07/26/07
For users unable to resolve simple driver issues, fine - blow $2k on a Mac  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
"blow $2k on a Mac"  Ole Man | 07/30/07
Operating Systems  nebarry@... | 07/24/07
security and privacy  fit.fix@... | 07/24/07
The web developers insight  drew.zf@... | 07/24/07
"Users shouldn't have to pay to use a computer?"  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
Did it hurt?  Ole Man | 07/29/07
RE:Did it hurt?  soonerproud | 08/23/07
Simple answer  soonerproud | 08/23/07
The problem is the resources Windows needs.  Randalllind | 07/24/07
The Mac needs a lot of resources also.  soonerproud | 08/23/07
Isn't it about being productive?!  The Rifleman | 07/24/07
Linux is productive? For what, web surfing and word processing? LOL!  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
It is productive.  T1Oracle | 07/25/07
Obvious Fanboism  soonerproud | 08/23/07
what about CAD or graphic publishing or video editing  myass@... | 07/24/07
Your hardware is the problem, not Microsoft.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 07/24/07
hardware is not the problem  myass@... | 07/25/07
Don't forget 64 bit!  bobmatch@... | 07/25/07
so why bother with Vista?  pete_w_flynn@... | 07/25/07
The future is mobile.  TJGodel | 07/25/07
find myself being slowed down by Vista  mlindl | 07/25/07
Its not what the PC does, its the interface.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/25/07
Talking about the past, Living in the present, and......  Ole Man | 07/25/07
ONLY if there's EXCELLENT Voice Recognition  rtot | 07/25/07
Coming soo to a computer near you!  Ole Man | 07/30/07
Message has been deleted.  myass@... | 07/25/07
You may have missed a major milestone last month  TJGodel | 07/26/07
Ok Mr. Berlind, i'm accepting my fate ...  hdn.de | 07/27/07
OK, just came across this one  hdn.de | 07/27/07
We may be asking for Gods help .  brandstetter.photo@... | 07/27/07
Why not?  ray.polakovic@... | 08/01/07
Web apps are generally ok for minimal use  jeffrey.watson@... | 08/01/07
The next os slogan "Doing more, Easier"  MrMMills | 08/01/07
Firmware OS portability  vancegilbert@... | 08/01/07
And the winner is.... drum roll please  smoring | 08/02/07
David ! You mist a point.  pobstar1@... | 08/05/07
IE7 too restrictive for you?  jeture | 08/05/07
Great Point NT  soonerproud | 08/23/07

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