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August 2nd, 2007

Tech Shakedown #4: Should Vista be able to force an unwanted reboot when it wants to?

Posted by David Berlind @ 2:18 pm

Categories: General, IT Management, Personal Technology, Software Infrastructure, Technology Shakedown, Video, Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Reboot, David Berlind

Like many departments within many companies, today was a day when our department got together and did some online slide slidesharing. We use Microsoft’s NetMeeting but I don’t use Internet Explorer and my one attempt at at getting the slides on my screen (there’s a way to view the Web only version of the slides in Firefox) froze my system up. I had to CTRL-ATL-DEL to the Windows Task Manager and had to kill every instance of Firefox. Unfortunately, I didn’t capture this on video. Not that it would have mattered. At the time, I was using one of my more heavily polluted (software, downloadware, all-sorts-of-ware, etc.) systems and it constantly misbehaves on me.

Fortunately however, I captured something else on video: it was Vista telling me to save my work because it was going to reboot. But this wasn’t any old reboot. This was a you-have-no-choice reboot. I had stepped away from the system for a few minutes and when I came back, it basically told me I had 1 minute and 30 seconds to save my work because it was going reboot itself, no matter what. Luckily, our camera was sitting there on its tripod (we were about to tape something else) when this happened and we caught it on tape. As you can see in the video, although the dialog appears to have some options to postpone the reboot, I can’t get into those options. They’re grayed-out.

It was at least four minutes (if not longer) until the system had finished rebooting itself. My question is, what if I couldn’t afford a reboot at that moment? What if I was in the middle of some process that hadn’t been completed and wanted to keep the machine running until I had a chance to finish that process. Like viewing a shared slide-show? Or a Web transaction? Or imagine if I just didn’t want it shut down at that point. Does Vista really know better than me? Should it be permitted to lock me out as it prepares to do a forced reboot? Fellow ZDNet Matt Conner who was operating the camera at the time was pretty stunned and you can hear him in the background saying “What if you had something going on?” It’s something he has apparently never seen on his Mac.

David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.
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Duh. Microsoft always knows best!  Someguy2 | 08/02/07
Windows Update  rapson | 08/02/07
You have options  jcgieri@... | 08/03/07
Re: your friend never seeing this on his Mac - maybe you should use a Mac!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/03/07
restarting...  timpin1@... | 08/03/07
I've never had one force me to restart  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/04/07
Windows 2000 Reboots  pj_mouse | 08/09/07
That's fine for...  Dr. John | 08/03/07
Easier said than done  dansen926 | 08/03/07
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Totally off subject.  slopoke | 08/02/07
someone else read before posting.  aussieblnd@... | 08/03/07
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necessary functions  theo_durcan | 08/02/07
You can set it for 4 hours later  georgeou | 08/02/07
As I keep saying to a lot of people who respond here..  dberlind | 08/02/07
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David, that is correct.  notsofast | 08/04/07
The questionis still  tracy anne | 08/04/07
Hmmm  Krazyken39 | 08/04/07
Oh yea! Krazyken39  tracy anne | 08/05/07
I assume that you Mac chappie...  bportlock | 08/03/07
I got the MS intro...and I just watched it (nt)  mdsmedia | 08/03/07
Grayed-out options. . .  bkinsey@... | 08/03/07
Do you have Windows update set to AUTOMATIC? And this is GOOD  xuniL_z | 08/03/07
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I've NEVER had Windows automatically reboot...  mdsmedia | 08/03/07
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real world lesson  shraven | 08/06/07
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Happens at least once a day  TripleII | 08/02/07
State of the machine  Chiatzu | 08/03/07
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THAT is the bottome line.  Absolutely | 08/04/07
difference - internal corporate policy  tbuccelli | 08/03/07
Keep it up, David.  bjbrock | 08/03/07
I thought everyone knew, MS did, I think.  intrepi@... | 08/03/07
You left out the....  xuniL_z | 08/03/07
over 60 million Vista users??  Relorian@... | 08/03/07
hmmm.  xuniL_z | 08/03/07
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no expectations at all in life. Rolling with it.  xuniL_z | 08/07/07
BS  mdsmedia | 08/03/07
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TOTAL BS!  Ole Man | 08/07/07
Vista Licences  timpin1@... | 08/03/07
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Without responding to most of your apologist crap  mdsmedia | 08/03/07
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Don't take that long  Ole Man | 08/07/07
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What I've encountered in XP every time  mg156 | 08/03/07
If, and, but, so, maybe  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Answers on "what updates?" and configuration options  dberlind | 08/03/07
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Typical Microsoft settings  gordon@... | 08/07/07
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problem on most versions  ismoore | 08/03/07
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M$ way or the highway  DarthRidiculous | 08/03/07
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4 hours  chetblong@... | 08/03/07
4 hours  aussieblnd@... | 08/03/07
and..  slainers2001@... | 08/03/07
did you pay attention to the article  tbuccelli | 08/03/07
Who's really being the apologist?  chetblong@... | 08/03/07
Read the original messagw --  tomcotexas@... | 08/03/07
I agree, it's not Microsoft's fault, never is, is it ?  intrepi@... | 08/03/07
Yeah, How dumb is this guy?  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Well, well...  sykandtyed | 08/03/07
Microsoft is proud of you  Ole Man | 08/03/07
This guy IS dumb...  Narg | 08/03/07
Smart enough to know  Ole Man | 08/03/07
And how smart are you?  chetblong@... | 08/03/07
The world is full of idiots  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Idiots?  chetblong@... | 08/04/07
Your original question was "How dumb is this guy"?  Ole Man | 08/04/07
Get off your high horse  Zyloch | 08/05/07
That makes him even dumber then  Fujikid2 | 08/05/07
Clearly you know your Vista documentation  Ole Man | 08/06/07
One more thing to distract you at the wrong time  intrepi@... | 08/03/07
They're called AUTOMATIC updates for a reason.  chetblong@... | 08/03/07
They sure are AUTOMATIC for a reason  Zyloch | 08/05/07
"It isn't Microsoft's fault"  Resuna | 08/03/07
that was kind of uncalled for.  xuniL_z | 08/03/07
Update does NOT mean shut down  Ole Man | 08/03/07
AUTOMATIC update does however.  chetblong@... | 08/04/07
Correct Version of: AUTOMATIC update does however.  chetblong@... | 08/04/07
No, AUTOMATIC update does not mean shut down  Zyloch | 08/05/07
Some people (like you)  Ole Man | 08/04/07
After 20 years as a System Administrator, "sheep" is being NICE.  Resuna | 08/06/07
Icon?  chetblong@... | 08/03/07
If you were really as smart  Ole Man | 08/03/07
No it's more like: If YOU were as smart as you think  chetblong@... | 08/04/07
Where exactly did you read?  Ole Man | 08/04/07
Exactly my conclusion...  Zyloch | 08/05/07
I *am* however capable of reading.  Resuna | 08/06/07
you missed the point..  AiR_GuNNeR | 08/03/07
How dumb is this guy?  davesuff | 08/03/07
I have Vista.  chetblong@... | 08/03/07
Then Vista tries to do too much  Zyloch | 08/05/07
Bad Reasoning  melange@... | 08/03/07
With Microsoft, it's always the user's fault.  trentreviso | 08/04/07
Backwards  DannyO_0x98 | 08/04/07
Ok, this post is silly.  notsofast | 08/04/07
non-sense  jelcnet@... | 08/07/07
So...  andycher | 08/03/07
but...  slainers2001@... | 08/03/07
even worse  wuzzle | 08/03/07
Required for Vista Logo  donelder@... | 08/03/07
Mod parent +1 informative.  Resuna | 08/03/07
Any way to stop it?  etiennefalcon@... | 08/03/07
yes  mjbotti | 08/03/07
shutdown abort  croberts | 08/03/07
Was that shutdown abort?  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Cease thy  xuniL_z | 08/03/07
Thanks for the advice  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Never... but...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/03/07
Walk away  Keywalker4God | 08/03/07
loss of control...  Holiday34691 | 08/03/07
loss of control...  aussieblnd@... | 08/03/07
Vista Forcing a Reboot  michael.burgess@... | 08/03/07
Turn off the PC and go out and play with the kids?  labarker | 08/03/07
Hallelujah  Fontashia | 08/04/07
Vista forced reboot  Walter Wise | 08/03/07
The simple solution would be ...  mwagner@... | 08/03/07
Are you kidding or serious ?  MowGreen | 08/03/07
Hail to the Mac!  CMTHOMAS | 08/03/07
Complicated for some...  dansen926 | 08/03/07
True, but  notsofast | 08/04/07
Don't smart people...  SteveMak | 08/03/07
Watch out for sharp objects  Ole Man | 08/03/07
I AGREE  not of this world | 08/05/07
Schedule shutdown -a  croberts | 08/03/07
Who in control - You or Microsoft ?  intrepi@... | 08/03/07
Not a good situation. But Why?  joe.smetona@... | 08/03/07
The answer is YES....  Mike Cox | 08/03/07
LOL  rfarmer@... | 08/03/07
Microsoft's running late, then.  Resuna | 08/03/07
Don't forget  rfarmer@... | 08/03/07
9.5  MythBuster | 08/03/07
Lessons Learned In My Youth  DannyO_0x98 | 08/04/07
Typical arogance of Microsoft  edomejn | 08/03/07
Well.....  morph000 | 08/03/07
I've had it happen with XP  rpmyers1 | 08/03/07
A couple problems with your post  rfarmer@... | 08/03/07
ALSO!  rfarmer@... | 08/03/07
and..  rjnicoson@... | 08/03/07
Reboot?  snakefield | 08/03/07
mandatory reboot?  varick | 08/03/07
I remember forced reboots  nix_hed | 08/03/07
Furious!!!  slainers2001@... | 08/03/07
options?  slainers2001@... | 08/03/07
This is how to DISABLE Auto Restart after updates  mjbotti | 08/03/07
But does that work AFTER an update?  gordon@... | 08/07/07
Been there done that  Qlueless | 08/03/07
Vista Sp1 might fix it  Billybob115 | 08/03/07
C'mon, David!  RocketEater | 08/03/07
Window always has rebooted for you.  kacaudle@... | 08/03/07
David, are you running the laptop on a domain?  JoeMama_z | 08/03/07
Maybe  LinuxHippie | 08/03/07
Could be worse!  john.petry@... | 08/03/07
Microsoft knows screw all  KrazyGuy | 08/03/07
Here's where you want to go today.(TM)  bmgoodman | 08/03/07
No, not on a domain.  dberlind | 08/03/07
Task Manager?  bmgoodman | 08/03/07
FORCED REBOOT IS A VIRUS!  BALTHOR | 08/03/07
xp did the same thing  restlessheart40m@... | 08/03/07
I never saw XP do this.  dberlind | 08/03/07
XP could do this, so could 2000...  Narg | 08/03/07
re: I never saw XP do this.  rtk | 08/03/07
Hold their feet to the fire, David  Ole Man | 08/03/07
XP did this on LTD accts, and you couild not delay it. NT  notsofast | 08/04/07
So what you're saying is?  Ole Man | 08/05/07
Automatic Updates  zclayton2 | 08/03/07
You Buy CRAP You Get CRAP  itanalyst | 08/03/07
Again, More ZD-Net SUPIDITY!!!!  Narg | 08/03/07
Wow, now you have to be a computer guru  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/03/07
Don't kid yoursel, Kid  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Is it really that stupid  dberlind | 08/03/07
Yes it is  notsofast | 08/04/07
Only to a genius  Ole Man | 08/05/07
"Again, More ZD-Net SUPIDITY!!!!" ??? Not true.  Morte111 | 02/14/09
Usually a very good reason for forcing reboot  Leria | 08/03/07
read moron  mg215199 | 08/03/07
read moron  mg215199 | 08/03/07
It is not a member of a domain.  dberlind | 08/03/07
Why should an O/S need rebooting?  Nealwatts | 08/03/07
What If...  dansen926 | 08/03/07
What you want to do is change the engine while driving the car 60mph.  eljay001 | 08/03/07
You are right  Keywalker4God | 08/03/07
So... You tune your car while going 60?  rtk | 08/03/07
That's why some of us use Linux  Ole Man | 08/03/07
Windows Rebooting  Ole Man | 08/03/07
catch 22  LinuxHippie | 08/04/07
Not a plan. An attitude.  gordon@... | 08/07/07
You've got to be kidding me!  dansen926 | 08/03/07
Picture Proof  dansen926 | 08/03/07
No proof  Keywalker4God | 08/03/07
Modify the URL to read  goxk@... | 08/04/07
You get what you're given and you like it, OK?  whisperycat | 08/03/07
That is terrible..  thewinkster | 08/03/07
Reminds of calling my bank  fuzzy2k | 08/03/07
That's why I gave up on Vista...  jerry@... | 08/03/07
Run Vista run  Chiatzu | 08/04/07
force reboot on windows vista  jpamintuan2@... | 08/03/07
Sure why not....  Paco20 | 08/03/07
What re-register windows?  Ole Man | 08/03/07
XP as well!  TerryNT | 08/03/07
SVCHOST  lauren.glenn@... | 08/03/07
Dumb defaults now enforced  cquirke | 08/03/07
Shakedown #4  kennyzd | 08/03/07
Windows Victim Dies In Tragic Car Crash...  keepu | 08/03/07
One more reason I won't have it.............  suemccartin | 08/04/07
Scary......  pjotr123 | 08/04/07
We need a Non-Idiot mode  TomMerritt | 08/04/07
I think this can happen on XP too  brian.ward | 08/04/07
its king microsoft  gene@... | 08/04/07
You can turn off WU service  usuc | 08/04/07
microsoft are killing themselves with this nonsense  stevey_d | 08/04/07
Windows Update  glenk_15537@... | 08/04/07
OSX, here I come!!  3dtodd | 08/04/07
Shoe Fits Cinderella -- Wear it!  Kromaethius | 08/04/07
Nothing new  dmhunter@... | 08/04/07
Vista rebooting  Bitzie | 08/04/07
I'm sure gals that I don't use Microsoft. (NT)  Update victim | 08/04/07
That's supposed to be GLAD not gals. Sorry NT  Update victim | 08/04/07
Nothing Different than XP  otter_it | 08/04/07
where is the switch to tell Windows to do nothing until I tell it to  LittleGuy | 08/04/07
I have  Krazyken39 | 08/04/07
He's never seen it on a Mac  tracy anne | 08/04/07
If you let nubtie to configure your PC, that's what you get.  xray6969 | 08/05/07
When you're playin' baseball....  mrdood_99205@... | 08/05/07
Oh yea!  tracy anne | 08/05/07
Hmmm, Oh my  Krazyken39 | 08/05/07
Hmmm, Oh my......... Point  Ole Man | 08/06/07
It's for your own good.  technojoe | 08/05/07
It's not for Microsoft's good  Zyloch | 08/05/07
There's a way to fix this...turn off automation  geek_grrl | 08/05/07
alternatives  normanrich@... | 08/05/07
Yet another reason to avoid vista like plague.  kraterz | 08/05/07
Just wait till you can't disable auto-updates.  kraterz | 08/05/07
Something is amiss  pmshah@... | 08/05/07
One CAN form an opinion  Ole Man | 08/06/07
Is that something new  Boot_Agnostic | 08/06/07
Windows Automatic Updates/forced computer re-boot  Trilithosianway@... | 08/06/07
Another way for Microcrook to control us  murp6566@... | 08/06/07
Vista and XP do it and it SUCKS  slewis69au | 08/06/07
I beg to differ.  brunocustodio@... | 08/06/07
And have you ever stopped to ask  tracy anne | 08/06/07
They are really, you know  Nemglan | 08/07/07
They really aren't, I know  Ole Man | 08/07/07
Private vs corporate users  teevati | 08/07/07
TSJEEEZZ David, get another job  edwin_auer | 08/07/07
hasta la vista  a-bowmam@... | 08/07/07
Mac and Windows dead, long live Linux  Boot_Agnostic | 08/08/07
Should Windows be able to Reboot as it wishes  jonathan_stephenson@... | 08/08/07
How about the BSOD?  bigbugna | 08/09/07
Conversely.......  CptMatt | 08/09/07
a way to stop that.....  the_imperfectionest | 08/10/07
Reboots both disappointing and destructive...  jgsilva@... | 08/12/07
feature  agaudet | 08/13/07
ms reboot  Nextaxpro | 08/16/07

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