Remember David...
Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
|

Please explain
NonZealot | 08/15/07
|
 
Feels like I am talkin' to
Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
|
  
talking to talking to?
evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
|
   
No one is trying to make you use anything
tracy anne | 08/17/07
|
    
It's not even a flaw, though...
lisacate@... | 08/17/07
|
    
You are so wrong on so many counts I don't know where to begin.
ye | 08/17/07
|
     
I run Mandriva and Windows
tracy anne | 08/17/07
|
     
No, Linux doesn't require a reboot.
nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
|
  
You do hold a high regard for simpletons
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|
 
su -
sysop-dr | 08/16/07
|
 
How can EULA possibly have nothing to do?
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
  
well
Badgered | 08/16/07
|
   
What part of?
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
    
missing the whole rigths issues
technokid_bes | 08/16/07
|
     
Where is all the links?
Ole Man | 08/17/07
|
  
You can't comprehend what you read...
evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
|
   
Total agreement
ShevaBeba | 08/16/07
|
    
"make your standard into a admin"
nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
|
   
I know a lot of young punks
Ole Man | 08/17/07
|
  
Except as "PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW"
Dr. John | 08/17/07
|
   
Deciphering legalese
Ole Man | 08/17/07
|
 
Here's a towel, dry your eyes and I'll send flowers
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|
  
Congratulations.
nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
|

Oh but it IS his computer when running Windows.
ye | 08/15/07
|
 
The problem
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
  
No, this is NOT THE DEFAULT. How many times must it be repeated?
ye | 08/16/07
|
   
Yes I read the blog
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
    
There is no problem. Just ABMers blowing nothing...
ye | 08/16/07
|
   
I believe you, take a valium, relax and be happy
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|
  
loss of critical data?
evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
|
   
Sure, blame the user.
nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
|
 
How many home users are
pennatomcat | 08/16/07
|
  
Why would they do that?
ye | 08/16/07
|
  
WHY?
lisacate@... | 08/16/07
|
 
Configuring
Freebird54 | 08/19/07
|

Is this news to anyone?
Richard Flude | 08/15/07
|
 
I agree with Microsofts decision.
ye | 08/15/07
|
  
It IS flawed.
sdc100 | 08/16/07
|
   
# reboot Still waiting for my answer.
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
" in order to bash Windows"?
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
     
Vista - Just Say
Cardhu | 08/16/07
|
    
What are you talking about?
timpin1@... | 08/17/07
|
    
You're Overlooking Something
Cardhu | 08/18/07
|
    
No one is answering your question
nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
|
   
you machine, your settings
mswift@... | 08/16/07
|
    
They should not be default
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
     
default behavior
mswift@... | 08/16/07
|
    
your mchine, your setting
sdc100 | 08/17/07
|
     
I've never seen so many clueless people
ye | 08/17/07
|
     
ye: "Hello Mr. Kettle. My, you're looking black today."
nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
|
  
That makes everything hunky-dory!
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
  
Any more sheep out there looking for MS grass ?
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|
  
You would agree to anything MS tells you
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|

Remember David ...
CodeBubba | 08/16/07
|

Ok...
evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
|
So you made a policy decision and fault Vista for enforcing it?
ye | 08/15/07
|

If he used the recommended default setting
Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
|
 
I disagree on both counts.
dberlind | 08/15/07
|
  
Fine. Now you know so change it to something...
ye | 08/15/07
|
   
Not quite - not all versions of Vista have gpedit.msc
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
    
Where did I mentioned gpedit.msc?
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
And once again, someone DID NOT READ THE PAPER
bmerc | 08/15/07
|
     
Perhaps you'd care to explain instead of having me...
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
The article mentions M$ response
NickNielsen | 08/16/07
|
    
Don't need gpedit
rapson | 08/15/07
|
  
Agreed
bmgoodman | 08/15/07
|
   
You're blaming Vista for your mistake?
ye | 08/15/07
|
    
Read to learn
bmgoodman | 08/15/07
|
     
What does that have to do with reading?
ye | 08/15/07
|
    
We're blaming Vista
Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
|
     
Majority of users don't know enough or care
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
Why not put a warning?
voska | 08/15/07
|
     
Already been explained in the article.
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
But Michael,
Update victim | 08/16/07
|
    
Yes we are all to blame, Vista is blameless
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|
  
Does Vista automatically install the updates, or ...
P. Douglas | 08/15/07
|
   
It offers several options of which...
ye | 08/15/07
|
  
If the PCs personal, then why not be admin?
laura.b | 08/15/07
|
   
Bad idea
bmgoodman | 08/16/07
|
    
They didn't try in XP. They started in NT 3.1
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
Get it right..
Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
|
    
I agree, in theory
laura.b | 08/16/07
|
  
OK..Let's look at this with a reality check in place..
Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
|
   
It does this at 3am by default...
lisacate@... | 08/16/07
|
  
Had to turn auto update off...
Dr. John | 08/17/07
|
 
The default is...
ye | 08/15/07
|
  
That says nothing about reboots
Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
|
   
So does OS X. Yet...
ye | 08/15/07
|
    
MAC tells you before you download & give choices
j.m.galvin | 08/15/07
|
     
Vista gives you choices too!
ye | 08/15/07
|
    
Ye, why you're wrong on this
sjaaxken | 08/15/07
|
     
Excellent! Most excellent post sjaaxken!
Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
|
     
BUT THE DEFAULT IS...
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/15/07
|
     
# reboot
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
Ye, why you're wrong on this
aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
|
     
How am I wrong?
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
"I don't see anyone whining about OS X"
brian ansorge | 08/16/07
|
     
People deplore it merely because it's Microsoft
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
Maybe because the article wasn't about OS X Reboots?
lisacate@... | 08/17/07
|
    
OSX DOES NOT FORCE REBOOTS
Resuna | 08/16/07
|
     
But you are stuck with a MAC
Baer | 08/16/07
|
     
# reboot
ye | 08/16/07
|
   
That's funny
Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
|
    
That's funny
aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
|
    
What's really funny...
lisacate@... | 08/17/07
|
  
You think very differently!
ZMarjan | 08/16/07
|
   
Typical ABMer response. Anyone who defends MS must be...
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
Actually your dogmatism
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
     
When I'm right, I'm right. I won't back down.
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
Reeeeely impressed!
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
  
The user shutdown his computer
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
 
Better yet...
Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
|
  
When did this change?
fde101 | 08/16/07
|
   
Last I checked
tracy anne | 08/17/07
|
  
Better yet...
SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
|
   
My Linux doesn't have a "program manager"
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|

Gosh & Golly Gee
Bill4 | 08/15/07
|
 
Ad hominem noted.
ye | 08/15/07
|

Problem is, nobody mde the policy
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
 
He did...
ye | 08/15/07
|
  
I disagree with "reasonable defaults" (nt)
CobraA1 | 08/16/07
|
   
The default is reasonable. He changed the default.
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
the default is not reasonable (nt)
CobraA1 | 08/16/07
|
     
Sure it is. It allows EXACTLY what everyone wants
ye | 08/17/07
|
  
Some common sense?
TucsonGuy | 08/16/07
|
   
Then CHANGE it! Why is this so hard for everyone?
ye | 08/16/07
|
 
Problem is, nobody made the policy
aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
|
  
re: "Problem is, nobody made the policy"
CobraA1 | 08/16/07
|

Learn to read
bmerc | 08/15/07
|
 
Ad hominem noted.
ye | 08/15/07
|
  
ironic
bmerc | 08/16/07
|
   
Calling them like I see them.
ye | 08/16/07
|

Thanks, that sums it up succinctly.
SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/15/07
|

Silly Microsoft Rabbit...
jskline0@... | 08/16/07
|
 
Local systems have a security policy too.
ye | 08/16/07
|

It was his decision
RocketEater | 08/16/07
|

Wrong
Update victim | 08/16/07
|
 
Stop talking about the default. This WASN'T the default.
ye | 08/16/07
|
 
System Administrator why?
ramien@... | 08/17/07
|

Most have no idea as to what, why or how
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
|

'Sour Grapes' because somebody beat him to it
lisacate@... | 08/16/07
|
How about at least a clear warning
Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
|

Or, how about...
dberlind | 08/15/07
|
 
Okay
Jeremy W | 08/16/07
|
  
Clippy?
notsofast | 08/16/07
|
   
Clippy was helpful for beginners...
lisacate@... | 08/17/07
|

This guy has the right idea
Brakiss | 08/16/07
|
Bitten once again
frgough | 08/15/07
|

Please explain
NonZealot | 08/15/07
|
 
I'm curious to hear that Explaination too (NT)
voska | 08/15/07
|
  
Same here, not making a connection (NT)
Stuka | 08/15/07
|
 
Please explain
aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
|
  
aussieblnd you can all that has to be done is a simple change to
SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
|
 
Someone will be glad to help you out
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|

# reboot
ye | 08/15/07
|
 
Still waiting for my answer.
ye | 08/16/07
|
  
No your argument
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
   
Perfectly relevant. ABMers say the system should allow...
ye | 08/16/07
|
    
Because...
TucsonGuy | 08/16/07
|
     
And this difference matters why?
ye | 08/16/07
|
  
Where is your "reboot" key?
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|

Ditto. Explain, please. NT
laura.b | 08/15/07
|
 
He is mistaken
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
A forced reboot is NEVER acceptable
Protector | 08/15/07
|

Newsflash: New version of Windows...
ye | 08/15/07
|
 
Except when shutting down the machine...
mdsmedia | 08/15/07
|
  
The default is 3AM. That's 3AM. Let me repeat: 3AM!
ye | 08/15/07
|
   
I used to work the night shift (nt)
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
    
Doesn't change what I said.
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
I prefer they take it out altogether. it's useless (nt)
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
     
Then DISABLE it. Choice is yours.
ye | 08/15/07
|
   
How many people leave their PC on all night? (NT)
High Sierra | 08/16/07
|
   
Maching was off at 3AM
cassb | 08/16/07
|
    
Then how did the patches get downloaded?
ye | 08/16/07
|
   
A stupid decision is still stupid
NickNielsen | 08/16/07
|
    
I think it's a wise decision.
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
You would.
nighthawk808 | 08/20/07
|
  
Raging ravaging robots rapidly running wild worldwide
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
 
3am, however, is a convenient time..
msalzberg | 08/15/07
|
  
Then CHANGE the default setting.
ye | 08/15/07
|
   
Chill out
voska | 08/15/07
|
    
The default DOES WARN YOU!
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
Do I sense a little bit of Psychological Projection?
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/15/07
|
     
Ad hominem noted. No counter argument noted.
ye | 08/15/07
|
     
Did you learn a new phrase today?
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/16/07
|
     
Stop making them and you'll see me stop noting them.
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
Unix is off topic
voska | 08/16/07
|
     
You'd have a point if the issue in question was the DEFAULT.
ye | 08/16/07
|
 
In my opinion
tombalablomba | 08/16/07
|
  
No noticeable increse in my electric bill...
lisacate@... | 08/17/07
|
 
Mainframe users
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
 
Newsflash!
cheesyone | 08/16/07
|
  
Agreed.
ye | 08/16/07
|
  
NO, that isn't the #1 reason...
lisacate@... | 08/17/07
|
   
learning everything 'open source
Ole Man | 08/20/07
|

What about a user with a locked session?
Brakiss | 08/16/07
|
 
If the user is on a network
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|

Another side of the same coin
d.s.williams | 08/17/07
|
Bit of a strawman
wolf_z | 08/15/07
|

Good point
wil2liv | 08/16/07
|
Workaround
Stoutner | 08/15/07
|
Stopping ALL scheduled activites
TechnoSarge | 08/15/07
|

Sone advice . . .
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
 
You'd be surprised
voska | 08/15/07
|
 
Good advice, but the OP is using XP (nt)
rtk | 08/15/07
|

Sorry, but in this case...
Ben_E | 08/16/07
|
When reboot is inevitable ...
Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/15/07
|
Simple solution
Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/15/07
|
Adminstrative vs standard
Taz_z | 08/15/07
|

My solution to that
Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
|

This is going to sound odd as I have always been...
ye | 08/15/07
|
 
what sounds odd is...
bmerc | 08/16/07
|
  
Grandmas don't need to know it. It's the DEFAULT!
ye | 08/16/07
|

For single user, I recommend Admin with UAC.
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
 
Agreed.
slopoke | 08/15/07
|
Another simple solution
HooNoze | 08/15/07
|
Never liked the poicy anyways
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|

Then change it and stop whining.
ye | 08/15/07
|
 
Can I do that without completely disabling automatic updates? (nt)
CobraA1 | 08/15/07
|
  
What do you mean by "completely disabling"?
ye | 08/15/07
|
   
Wow...
bmerc | 08/15/07
|
    
Yes, I can.
ye | 08/15/07
|
    
Give up on him.
pennatomcat | 08/16/07
|
   
No it isn't.
CobraA1 | 08/16/07
|
    
Then it's not automatic is it?
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
yes, it is
CobraA1 | 08/17/07
|
     
Not installed until rebooted.
ye | 08/17/07
|
  
yes set it to download but let me decide when install can't get much
SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
|
   
But I don't want to manually install it. I want to AUTOMATICALLY install.
CobraA1 | 08/16/07
|
Perhaps Microsoft will fix this problem in SP1 - nt
WiredGuy | 08/15/07
|

Perhaps
zclayton2 | 08/16/07
|

It is not a problem
Baer | 08/16/07
|
 
It is two clicks.
tracy anne | 08/17/07
|
keep in mind the average user...
hepcat65000@... | 08/15/07
|

It's not arrogance. Geez! It's a decision they made.
ye | 08/15/07
|
 
It's not arrogance. Geez! It's a STUPID decision they made
deaf_e_kate | 08/15/07
|
  
subject
deaf_e_kate | 08/15/07
|
  
I agree with their decision.
ye | 08/15/07
|
   
re: I agree with their decision
deaf_e_kate | 08/16/07
|
    
But you can save your work!
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
What if they are AFK? (NT)
High Sierra | 08/16/07
|
     
...and ONCE AGAIN you ignore the content you're supposedly critiquing
bmerc | 08/16/07
|
     
AFK?
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
Then CHANGE it!
ye | 08/16/07
|
     
AFK = Away From Keyboard n/t
Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
|
     
AFK. Then it doesn't matter. You're not there to abort the reboot anyway.
ye | 08/16/07
|
Even with Policy, I don't force reboot when the user is on
fernndzgld@... | 08/15/07
|
Lesson 1: Be the Admin
SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/15/07
|

Operating Systems 101
Mitch 74 | 08/16/07
|
Morons: Read the Documentation
SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/15/07
|
Are you really a tech journo?! LOL
groovepoint@... | 08/15/07
|
There are bugs here
gordonf@... | 08/15/07
|
Set AU to Download but not Install
jpr75_z | 08/16/07
|
but why does it need to reboot?
stevey_d | 08/16/07
|

Timeout
Jambalaya Breath | 08/17/07
|
 
Hewlett Packard Non Stop Unix.
stevey_d | 08/20/07
|
Why does Windows need so many updates?
mscsrrr | 08/16/07
|

Your post is equally applicable ....
ShadeTree | 08/16/07
|
False assumption?
bal4bill | 08/16/07
|

Not in the middle?
Keywalker4God | 08/16/07
|
I think that's the final straw
jducoeur | 08/16/07
|

misfeature?
Mujibahr | 08/16/07
|
 
Choices
pj_mouse | 08/16/07
|
  
Problem is
Mujibahr | 08/16/07
|
   
based on WHAT misinformation? nt
mdsmedia | 08/16/07
|
 
It's a misfeature because...
mdsmedia | 08/16/07
|
Forced Reboot
CodeBubba | 08/16/07
|

Actually
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
 
Actually
CodeBubba | 08/17/07
|
I understand the point, but disagree
bfreed@... | 08/16/07
|

The point is you don't know it will happen the first time.
Keywalker4God | 08/16/07
|

In your example, the average user....
mdsmedia | 08/16/07
|
reboot
paul.h.king@... | 08/16/07
|
Logical / easily implemented solution
jlang@... | 08/16/07
|
Why is "standard user" recommended for all users?
Ivystung | 08/16/07
|

Talking about dumb . . .
CobraA1 | 08/16/07
|
if in a work critical situation
sail4evr | 08/16/07
|

Great advice...
bmerc | 08/16/07
|
MCE
ian.scanlan@... | 08/16/07
|
Corporate desktops are usually "standard"
davidr69 | 08/16/07
|
Reboots,IE& https Hijacking
pccow000 | 08/16/07
|
Administering the computer
aydeisen | 08/16/07
|
vista reboot--NEVER
varick | 08/16/07
|

There is a good reason for unwanted reboot
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
Thanks David
jhurst747 | 08/16/07
|
Microsoft could make a simple fix
gettinoriginal2@... | 08/16/07
|

He was away from the machine!!
mdsmedia | 08/16/07
|
I'm not sure I agree...
GrizzledGeezer | 08/16/07
|

Simple answer...install without reboot....
mdsmedia | 08/16/07
|
Guess I don't have to worry.
lostinlodos | 08/16/07
|

That's the way I set it....
erm@... | 08/16/07
|
Microsoft's moronic justification
sdc100 | 08/16/07
|
vista forced reboot
tkpol@... | 08/16/07
|
This isn't that hard.
heres_johnny | 08/16/07
|

You mean like the default time of 3am?
ye | 08/16/07
|

you only want
jedi105@... | 08/16/07
|
The real bug
Keywalker4God | 08/16/07
|
No Group Policy Editor is dumb
Jim Johnson | 08/16/07
|
oh yea Linux never needs a reboot after an update wrong
SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
|

Updates in Linux
pj_mouse | 08/16/07
|

You clearly demonstrate your lack of knowledge
Ole Man | 08/16/07
|
Happened to me
jedi105@... | 08/16/07
|

And yes
jedi105@... | 08/16/07
|
The Only Solution...
Jeremy W | 08/16/07
|
Tired argument... Not a problem if it can be fixed
themacolyte | 08/16/07
|

Std users have too much power
frlgrb | 08/16/07
|

Another poster who doesn't understand what the default is.
ye | 08/16/07
|
The problem with expectations
fromthehip | 08/16/07
|
THis is not a problem, it was your choice
Baer | 08/16/07
|

Excellent question. A point I've been making myself.
ye | 08/16/07
|
Well, then don't do that....
Heimdall222 | 08/16/07
|

Bravo, A Smart Person
Baer | 08/16/07
|
What's "Standard"?
davemulk | 08/16/07
|
Why even put up with this Vista nonsense?
ejhonda | 08/16/07
|

Did the same thing myself...
TucsonGuy | 08/16/07
|
The point is
alaniane@... | 08/16/07
|
VIRUS
BALTHOR | 08/16/07
|
Quick Fix
pvhastings | 08/16/07
|
Here I am ... way down here ...
Media-Ted@... | 08/16/07
|
Vista took a good idea from Linux but screwed the pooch in execution.
blc1839 | 08/16/07
|
overblown
daMan25 | 08/16/07
|
Message has been deleted.
Narg | 08/16/07
|
Daft
djhs@... | 08/16/07
|
It's not just Vista, a fully updated XP does it too!
NickNielsen | 08/16/07
|
XP now does it too
NickNielsen | 08/16/07
|
Fueling The Fire is All You're Doing
MasterJoe | 08/16/07
|

In reality....
Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
|
 
Then how did it download the patches?
ye | 08/16/07
|
yum -y update; reboot; no option to abort...
ye | 08/16/07
|
How I love Ubuntu...let me count the ways...
mikifinaz1@... | 08/16/07
|

yum -y update; reboot
ye | 08/16/07
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You know what I realized that this problem really is?
laura.b | 08/16/07
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You got dat right.
notsofast | 08/16/07
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The average user who cannot use gpedit likely is not going to...
ye | 08/16/07
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Vista Just bit me, Again!
bobmatch@... | 08/16/07
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Once shame on you, twice shame on me.
ye | 08/16/07
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Its not Vista
Moreese | 08/16/07
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Just shut up, do as you are told to do...MS
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
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Why does this surprise anyone?
The_Curmudgeon | 08/16/07
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Have another toke, a valium or MS happy ludes
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
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Well, Does the bridge reboot itself or not?
lisacate@... | 08/16/07
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When are you leaving for Redmond ?
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
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You consider yourself to be 92 % ?
intrepi@... | 08/16/07
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Mine did it last night, no problem postponing the reboot
lisacate@... | 08/16/07
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I always use Vista, XP, 2000 as an administrator
chas_2 | 08/16/07
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Lock and key
Chiatzu | 08/17/07
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Quality Assurance??
vancegilbert@... | 08/17/07
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System Administrator why?
ramien@... | 08/17/07
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Sorry
joe6pack_z | 08/17/07
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What are you talking about?
timpin1@... | 08/17/07
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Sorry, replied to story when I meant to reply to message
timpin1@... | 08/17/07
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seriously??
inertman@... | 08/18/07
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Forced reboots come back to haunt even after auto-updates are switched off
zd_surfer | 08/18/07
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Failed updates and forced reboots
SoberDub | 08/18/07
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I hate to side with Microsoft, but....
mrdood_99205@... | 08/18/07
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"Changes will not take effect until you reboot"
Ole Man | 08/18/07
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Reinforces Admin = User
wingsteed@... | 08/18/07
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Secutiry?
ramien@... | 08/18/07
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Oh crap! Must be a hardware problem!
Rick_R | 08/18/07
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Don't forget dialup users!
grail@... | 08/19/07
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Too True
carlino | 08/20/07
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totally agree...
slainers2001@... | 08/24/07
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Typical Microsoft
johndifo | 08/27/07
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Constantly Agonising over Microsoft
saleh_el_boustani@... | 09/11/07
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