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October 5th, 2007

Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam

Posted by David Berlind @ 9:33 am

Categories: General, Google Apps To-Do List, IT Management, Office 2.0, Personal Technology, Software Infrastructure, Technology Shakedown, Video, Web technology

Tags: Google Inc., Google Apps, America Online Inc., Yahoo! Inc., Problem, Video, Microsoft Corp., E-mail, Cyberthreats, Spam

Yesterday was the last straw for me when it comes to the way spam is impacting my work. First, before purging the junk mail folder in my Outlook, I did a quick scan only to notice that almost every other e-mail that was classified as spam was actually a legitimate e-mail that should have flowed into my inbox. Why was it in my junk mail folder? I have no idea. That’s part of the problem. In many cases (not all), you can’t look at the e-mail, see what the offending issue was, and notify the sender of why their e-mails are getting classified as spam.

But that wasn’t all that happened yesterday. For the events company (Mass Events Labs) that Doug Gold and I co-own to produce Mashup Camp, Startup Camp, and other events, we use a masseventslabs.com-specific context of Google Apps for e-mail, documents, spreadsheets, etc. In other words, when Doug and I send e-mail to each other through the masseventslabs.com domain, both he and I are sending and receiving from and to a Google Apps-based version of Google’s GMail. Yet somehow (as you can see in the attached video), yesterday, when he replied from his Google Apps account to an important e-mail that I sent to him via my Google Apps account, GMail redirected his reply to my spam folder. How can this be? That’s the equivalent of users of the same, behind-the-firewall copy of Microsoft’s Exchange Server not being able to send e-mail to each other because it’s getting classified as spam. Surely, an e-mail server has some idea of when the source of e-mail is itself.

So, what’s the problem and whose to blame for “friendly fire” and other SNAFUs in the battle against spam? The problem is that the major e-mail technology providers won’t work together to come up with some standard approaches to stopping spam. And when I say major, I mean AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. If those four companies simply got together and said it’s time to fix the problem and here’s how we’re going to fix it, the rest of the world would have no choice but to follow. Don’t agree with me? Watch the video. From my interview the other day with Matt Glotzbach, director of product management for Google Enterprise, I extracted the part where he unequivocally agreed that that’s all it would take.

Yet, here we are, more than five years after the major e-mail tech providers said that they’d find a way to curb the problem, and the situation is markedly worse. Markedly. Compounding the problem is that there is some cooperation going on between pockets of vendors and Web sites here and there. But the end game there will be separate Internets. If Yahoo! and eBay get together as they’ve just done to address phishers going after users of eBay and PayPal and Google does something different with GMail to address phishers going after users of Google Checkout, pretty soon, you end up in a situation where you have to enter completely different multi-site contexts (walled Internet silos) to get anything done. That was not the idea behind the Internet.

So, are you outraged enough to join me in taking action? How can we (you and I) solve the problem. We have to put the pressure on AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. I’ve recorded a video Technology Shakedown (see above) and I’ve licensed it under a Creative Commons license that allows you to re-use it anywhere you want. It’s not easy to grab our videos from ZDNet (I’ll work on that). So, if you want a copy of the video to paste into your blog or Web site, feel free to grab the YouTube version. Maybe together, we can all send a clear message to these four technology providers that its time to stop dilly-dallying and to lead the Internet to a standard “stack” of anti-spam solutions that will have most spammers and phishers looking for a new line of work.

David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.
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You (inncorrectly) assume they want to stop spam.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/07
yeap.  Been_Done_Before | 10/05/07
But..But..Bill Gates Promised Spam Would Be Gone!!!  itanalyst | 10/05/07
That's correct.  nizuse | 10/07/07
couldn't agree with you more  steven.watters@... | 10/08/07
shareholders?  pfyearwood | 10/08/07
What's to stop them?  masonwheeler | 10/10/07
Different how  Apache19 | 10/08/07
Eventually one will take the lead on spam  G Brent LeVasseur | 10/08/07
Dude stop with the links to your website!  D. T. Schmitz | 10/08/07
How True .....  goldenpirate@... | 10/08/07
Email Envelope  cywelchjr | 10/08/07
Correct - They must not or it would be fixed  dmccammishjr@... | 10/11/07
This is why challenge response systems are growing in popularity  Been_Done_Before | 10/05/07
What if shareware creators  other_native | 10/08/07
Challenge Response System Purchased By AOL  t0pcat | 10/08/07
Not enabled by default  santuccie | 10/18/07
My Thunderbird spam filter...  Henrik Moller | 10/05/07
What good is it if...  dberlind | 10/05/07
David - For everyone is the problem isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/07
What I mean by "everyone"...  dberlind | 10/05/07
Not quite so simple  TtfnJohn | 10/08/07
Ok, but  nizuse | 10/05/07
"Good Spam" and "Bad Spam" ...  George Mitchell | 10/07/07
No such thing as "GOOD SPAM"!  brian.s.graham@... | 10/08/07
First stop...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/08/07
Legislating Spam  Dcarm | 10/08/07
So Now It's Six Chores Daily For E-mail  itanalyst | 10/05/07
Even easier...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/08/07
Go on quote him:-)  Richard Flude | 10/05/07
He Never Said That  itanalyst | 10/05/07
It never would have occurred to me...  Henry Miller | 10/05/07
email filtering  Swampdoc | 10/08/07
Do you know what bots are?  Mikael_z | 10/06/07
If you could ban all Windows PC  alaniane@... | 10/08/07
Maybe a good first step though wink  Mikael_z | 10/09/07
Can't you configure your ISP account to NOT filter your mail? I can.  Timpraetor | 10/08/07
The problem is that  alaniane@... | 10/08/07
Re: What good is it  sullivanjc | 10/08/07
ISPs and Spam...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/08/07
One Problem...  rkuhn040172@... | 10/30/07
If It Wasn't For Spam  itanalyst | 10/05/07
Why don't we blame ourselves?  pauliusp | 10/05/07
1000s of telemarketing calls?  Madsmasher | 10/05/07
Before the do not call list  DarthRidiculous | 10/05/07
And the operative phrase is:  laura.b | 10/08/07
Bad analogy  dberlind | 10/05/07
I think you're wrong there......  linux for me | 10/06/07
So the solution to identifying spam already exists?  Anton Philidor | 10/06/07
Are you that stupid?  linux for me | 10/06/07
Post was intended to answer Mr. Berlind's comment.  Anton Philidor | 10/07/07
Pot Calling the Kettle Black?  LegendsOfBatman | 10/08/07
Doesn't happen on my Cox account  CoolbeansG | 10/06/07
I Dont Blame Me  LegendsOfBatman | 10/08/07
Blame ourselves?  laura.b | 10/08/07
Something wrong wth "why don't we blame ourselfs".  Patrick.Hollants@... | 10/10/07
We ARE partly to blame.  colinmeister | 10/16/07
Google spam  sordito | 10/05/07
Who to blame?  itpro_z | 10/05/07
re: laws  Arm A. Geddon | 10/05/07
Laws?  dberlind | 10/05/07
re: laws only govern our country  Arm A. Geddon | 10/05/07
Sorry, I beg to disagree  dberlind | 10/05/07
Actually,  itpro_z | 10/05/07
Don't forget to remove the easy targets for malware  Mikael_z | 10/06/07
Similar to the way...  itpro_z | 10/06/07
Reality  Mikael_z | 10/07/07
Basically I agree.  itpro_z | 10/07/07
The problem with your "reality"  laura.b | 10/08/07
Excuse the format  laura.b | 10/08/07
Who's to blame?  taskman | 10/16/07
A spam filter that works ...  George Mitchell | 10/05/07
OK, so you're saying that EVERYONE should use AT&T?  dberlind | 10/05/07
Each provider should do their own  CoolbeansG | 10/06/07
I'm saying only that it proves it can be done ...  George Mitchell | 10/07/07
What AT&T Uses IS (AFIK)  TtfnJohn | 10/08/07
The solution is here for years...  green alien | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to  rbpickup@... | 10/05/07
good article david.  Arm A. Geddon | 10/05/07
It's not up to them to stop...  bjbrock | 10/05/07
Death to all Spammers!  bobiroc | 10/05/07
Oh, but it's not just the "big four" . . .  CobraA1 | 10/06/07
ISP's biggest problem  waltmaine | 10/06/07
Why do you presume that AOL, Google, Microsoft or Yahoo can do anything?  B.O.F.H. | 10/06/07
Technically ignorant?  FatherJ | 10/08/07
There already IS a "protocol" that will block most spam...  JJQ1000 | 10/08/07
The only 100% reliable way...  D. T. Schmitz | 10/08/07
And if the recipient doesn't know you?  JJQ1000 | 10/11/07
Length of time is not the issue  LegendsOfBatman | 10/08/07
I think my email provider should block  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 10/06/07
Here's a suggestion to think about.  ewyatt | 10/06/07
I have to pay?  CoolbeansG | 10/06/07
It was just a thought...  ewyatt | 10/07/07
OpenPGP / Mandatory  D. T. Schmitz | 10/06/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam  jcuyno@... | 10/07/07
Little Davie is at it again  Vesicant | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown  MooMooMooMooMoo | 10/08/07
Gmail & Spam  MooMooMooMooMoo | 10/08/07
RETURN RECEIPT is not part of the system  jensfiederer | 10/08/07
Spam is easy to stop, without nasty side-effects  SteveMak | 10/08/07
Mail filters DON'T STOP SPAM  verbila | 10/08/07
Why Use Spam Filters ...  babyboomer57 | 10/08/07
Follow the money...  Marty R. Milette | 10/08/07
Not anymore  jasonshortphd | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to  spstanley | 10/08/07
Cloudmark Desktop Works Perfectly  Herb3 | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown  cynthia_sparks2002@... | 10/08/07
It can be done  rolf.ernst@... | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to  ken@... | 10/08/07
There "is" another way  ironfist03 | 10/08/07
Enough already  Apache19 | 10/08/07
Big companies cannot get their config right  tony@... | 10/08/07
I have the answer!!!!  pcguy777 | 10/08/07
re: ...  pcguy777 | 10/08/07
The logic of the possible  jinoturistica | 10/08/07
Verizon does OK  kidtree | 10/08/07
Verizon is a spammer's paradise  verbila | 10/08/07
This is silly.  john@... | 10/08/07
I agree with You!  ZenaPrincess | 10/08/07
Agree 100%  stormculture | 10/08/07
While we're at it, let's ask the USPS to stop snail junk mail.  junquemail | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown  rleons2001@... | 10/08/07
spam  Billy-Bob | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown  thammr | 10/08/07
If we could ban all PC's  boguscomputer | 10/08/07
correction  boguscomputer | 10/08/07
Spam, what's Spam, and how can I get some?  tracy anne | 10/08/07
I second that  andrew53 | 10/09/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam  goose5843 | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam  mark.davey@... | 10/09/07
Yahoo is AWFUL!  paul.glowiak@... | 10/11/07
Right on!  pradipsagdeo@... | 10/15/07
a standard solution brings its own problems  cfortune | 10/16/07
Duh. Why don't they CHARGE to handle email?  allenmeece@... | 10/16/07
Push for Challenge-Response  santuccie | 10/18/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam  danpopp | 11/08/09
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam  danpopp | 11/08/09
embrace it  danpopp | 11/08/09

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