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October 15th, 2007

Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead

Posted by David Berlind @ 2:59 pm

Categories: General, IT Management, Legal, Mobile, Security, Software Infrastructure, Web technology

Tags: Solution, CTO, Anti-spam, Standards, Spam, Cyberthreats, E-mail, Viruses And Worms, Security, Spam And Phishing

Whenever I write about spam (a lot recently), the press relations corps for the great many anti-spam solution providers (there must be thousands by now) out there bombard me with e-mails to tell me why the solution they’re hocking is that one solution that will blow my mind.  Through the magic of some Kool-Aid they’ve been drinking (served up by some hyper-excited CTO), they’re relatively certain that once I see what it is they’ve got, I will rave about here in my blog.  Even in the Talkbacks to what I’ve written about spam, there are countless readers who write about the solution that works for them.  David obviously hasn’t seen XYZ.

Guess what. I don’t have to see it to know that it’s not the answer to the larger spam problem that is choking the Internet, causing users all sorts of grief, and in some cases, either resulting in damages through fraud or malware.

In most cases, I don’t bother responding.  There are simply too many people that think they’ve got it all figured out for me to get back to all of them. So, at best I get back to a few and I ask one very simple question: what does your solution do to guarantee that the e-mail I send to other people doesn’t get falsely classified as spam by whatever antispam solution the recipient is using.  This is referred to as spam’s “non-deliverability” problem. It’s really quite nice that your spam solution has found that perfect balance where it blocks everything that’s spam without ever blocking the good e-mail too.  But, as a result of spam, all sorts of solutions are in place — many of them not nearly as good as yours and as a result, when I send someone and important piece of mail, it’s not until I pick up the phone that we figure out that my e-mail never got to them.

Judging by the answers I get, most of the time, the people I send this question to either don’t understand what I’ve asked them, they lie, or they use some easily recognized strain of double-speak that’s designed to put me back on the trail of why their solutions do such a great job dealing with inbound spam (when my question had nothing to do with inbound spam).  If you’re reading this and saying “he’s talking about me,” trust me, there are so many e-mails and Talkbacks that go down one of these three paths that it isn’t just about you.  But it is most definitely about you and your comrades.

Eventually, the PR corps step out of the way (their brains fried from my insistence that we talk about the “non-deliverablity” problem) so that the CTO at Acme Antispam Company can personally pour me some Kool-Aid at which point, I ask the question again. Eventually, we part ways and the answer ends up being the same from one CTO to the next.  It’s quite simple: the recipient needs to be running our solution as well.

In other words, in order for Acme Antispam Company’s solution to do as good a job making sure everyone’s e-mail safely arrives at their targeted recipients’ inboxes as the job does handling inbound spam, everybody (in the world) has to be running it.  The CTO at Acme Antispam Company is usually VERY happy when s/he realizes I’ve come to this conclusion.  “Yes! Finally!” thinks Acme’s CTO “My master plan is nearly complete.  Once David Berlind repeats this secret formula on ZDNet, the world will be mine!!! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha,” s/he diabolically laughs. “All mine!!!!!!”

Don’t get your hopes up Mr/s. CTO.  First of all, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell that everyone in the world is going to adopt your solution.  Not only is there just way too much noise from way too many antispam solution providers for any single provider to even come close to this ridiculous goal, neither David Berlind nor ZDNet have that kind of weight with the world.  All this sad, Mr/s. CTO has a great point that I’m constantly reiterating.

It is probably true that if everyone in the world ran just one solution, we’d be able to tweak that solution in such a way that we’d finally get a handle on the inbound and outbound problems associated with spam.  When everyone has access to the same technology, there’s a name for that.  It’s called a standard.  There is zero chance of some proprietary solution becoming the defacto antispam solution for the world.  But, if only AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo (the world’s leading e-mail solution/service providers)  would get together and decide on what the non-proprietary standards should be and implement them in their systems, it wouldn’t be long before every other e-mail solution provider would have to follow suit (in order for their e-mails to interoperate). Pretty soon, guess what? Everyone would have access to the same anti-spam technology and not only would the inbound problem be solved.  So too would the “non-deliverability” problem.

But so long as end-users keep adopting proprietary solutions that do nothing about the deliverability problem (there’s not much they can do about what’s on the other end of the pipe unless it is their’s) and so long as AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo don’t act multilaterally, we’ll keep digging ourselves deeper into to the illusion that we’ve got a handle on the problem when it reality, we’re not even close.

David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.
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Uh, they are doing exactly that  richij | 10/15/07
Silly typo  richij | 10/16/07
Fixed target  Anton Philidor | 10/15/07
People are a problem  richij | 10/16/07
Real spammers are trying to hide  adr5@... | 10/16/07
"... can be verified."  Anton Philidor | 10/16/07
About as soluble as junk mail  maldain | 10/16/07
Review your definitions  JJQ1000 | 10/16/07
de facto standards  Anton Philidor | 10/17/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  rich@... | 10/15/07
You are targeted by this  dberlind | 10/16/07
Big Publicity Campaign  sstew9@... | 10/16/07
LOL  Bucky24 | 10/16/07
Why hasn't David Berlind fixed the spam problem?  rich@... | 10/17/07
spam vendors dont want to fix the problem  waylander | 10/17/07
no - us spam vendors -can'-t fix the problem  rich@... | 10/17/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  pitrh | 10/16/07
Even though David...  bjbrock | 10/16/07
I am not asking for anything new  dberlind | 10/16/07
The reason these majors don't...  bjbrock | 10/16/07
Suggestions on convincing them?  JJQ1000 | 10/16/07
Since you seem to understand Dberlind's question  chips@... | 10/16/07
it's called false positives  pitrh | 10/16/07
sheesh, then why didn't he just say it?  chips@... | 10/16/07
I've seen anti-spam software...  bjbrock | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  gregarnette | 10/16/07
Get rid of anonymous emailers.  osreinstall | 10/16/07
Brokering people's information? What the?  dberlind | 10/16/07
Yes brokering the data s  osreinstall | 10/16/07
Side effects?  dberlind | 10/16/07
Banks  Teran | 10/16/07
Everything has side effects.  osreinstall | 10/16/07
David, you missed his point ...  mwagner@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  raider5985@... | 10/16/07
Should computers think for us now?  joudanzuki | 10/16/07
They just don't want to talk to you  Teran | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  Vesicant | 10/16/07
Oh my...  bmerc | 10/16/07
A complete solution also has to involve reporting spam  Taz_z | 10/16/07
Hawking NOT Hocking!!  rlcantwell_z | 10/16/07
Better to be silent and have people think you're a fool  wsigal3232@... | 10/16/07
It's English, not Yiddish  bmeacham98@... | 10/17/07
That's absolutely correct  wsigal3232@... | 10/17/07
Oy!  riotsquirrl | 10/23/07
Editor, editor ...  bright_dr@... | 11/01/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  jasonshortphd | 10/16/07
Wonderful thing about standards - there are so many to choose from!  shysick@... | 10/16/07
David, how is your outgoing mail different from spam ?  archief | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  Greg.Higgins@... | 10/16/07
Today's Spam Firewall Report  Greg.Higgins@... | 10/16/07
I can't believe how many still miss the point!  dlandrum@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  rpalmeri | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  Mihai@... | 10/16/07
How does DKIM help if both spammers and angels are on the same domain?  Jim-MN | 10/16/07
Public reputation systems probably dubious  dberlind | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  Dustybear | 10/16/07
Why non-delivery problem's solution won't stop spam  scott1329 | 10/16/07
That'd be great  dberlind | 10/16/07
Maia Mailguard  mike_computerguy | 10/16/07
What about Blacklist abuse (monkeywrench dirty tricks)?  pklammer | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Not going after the repeat offenders  mead.rose@... | 10/16/07
Which country's law would you use?  GreyTech | 10/17/07
You'll never stop the far side from rejecting mail  bv@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  Greg.Higgins@... | 10/16/07
Good ideas exist to bury most SPAM  dnendza | 10/16/07
SpamArrest makes you a spammer  richij | 10/17/07
Theoretically, or in practice?  santuccie | 10/20/07
P.S.:  santuccie | 10/20/07
You're overlooking something  rapson | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  pwoodruff@... | 10/16/07
Good anti-spam solutions exist today  SteveMak | 10/16/07
RE: Good anti-spam solutions exist today  verbila | 10/16/07
Both sides have presented: Who is better off?  SteveMak | 10/16/07
DNS-based solutions actually work well  Dallas@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  compusolver | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  coachgeorge | 10/16/07
Shakes Head  TripleII | 10/16/07
Question about your issue with spam software  Been_Done_Before | 10/16/07
Spam could be cut 90% in weeks  TripleII | 10/16/07
Spambot turnover.  Anton Philidor | 10/16/07
It's still the solution  TripleII | 10/16/07
Closed pipes.  Anton Philidor | 10/16/07
I agree with you guys.. but the internet is global and US law is not  Been_Done_Before | 10/16/07
The half empty to the spam "standard"  genefitz1976 | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  dbisse@... | 10/16/07
Flawed assumption that anything can fix the problem  jfp | 10/16/07
I think you're missing part of the point...  dbrebel | 10/16/07
"Right" AntiSpam Solutions WORK!  metalcrit | 10/16/07
The solution is called ZIXMAIL  DaveMorris | 10/16/07
Treating the symptoms  TripleII | 10/16/07
The spammers only adjust to a changing environment  www.cybertopcops.com | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  CodeBubba | 10/16/07
i have discovered the solution to spam  pcguy777 | 10/16/07
RE: i have discovered the solution to spam  verbila | 10/16/07
FUSSP?  richij | 10/17/07
SPF!!!!  Narg | 10/16/07
No leaders, all followers  TripleII | 10/16/07
The problem is that many of their subscribers are spammers  balsover | 10/16/07
Yes, follow the $s  TripleII | 10/16/07
my solution will elimintate block lists entirely  pcguy777 | 10/16/07
re:  pcguy777 | 10/16/07
I hate spam filters  JustFishin | 10/16/07
The supply side of spam  w_c_mead | 10/16/07
Open relays should not happen, the others won't fly  pitrh | 10/16/07
Stop all spam... no, Really  mikermiker | 10/16/07
Message has been deleted.  Brian G | 10/16/07
huh?  richij | 10/17/07
There is only one good solution to SPAM ...  mwagner@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  wjbyman@... | 10/16/07
International Hunt  Dr. John | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  guitodd | 10/16/07
Challeng/response makes you a spammer  richij | 10/17/07
What do you know about C/R?  santuccie | 10/20/07
One more thing  santuccie | 10/20/07
C/R looks like it needs a lot of effort and looking after  pitrh | 10/20/07
?  santuccie | 10/23/07
people are lazy, that's all  pitrh | 10/23/07
Sorry to hear that  santuccie | 10/23/07
It's like any other malware  epcraig | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  BaltimoreBarry | 10/16/07
FUSSP?  richij | 10/17/07
Spam  BaltimoreBarry | 02/23/08
SpamFighter is pretty good  lars@... | 10/16/07
Why are we users of anti-spam at fault?  t-fogie | 10/16/07
Jail Time - the Single Solution(?)  slatan@... | 10/16/07
Filtering Spam cures the Symptom, not the disease!!!  bill_miller@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  Abner Kravitz | 10/16/07
Less is more!  Abner Kravitz | 10/16/07
Exactly  gerardw@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  skipplummer | 10/16/07
Go refill your kool-aid glass....  DigitalFrog | 10/16/07
SpamArrest makes you a spammer  richij | 10/17/07
SpamArrest makes you a spammer  richij | 10/17/07
Not quite  santuccie | 10/20/07
By the way  santuccie | 10/20/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards a  B280Programmer | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  Crabby Guy | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  angelsix | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  jimmied43 | 10/16/07
Make it illegal  Crestview | 10/16/07
Nonsense!  david@... | 10/16/07
And another thing...  david@... | 10/16/07
Totaly Agree David!  mail@... | 10/16/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  mgfyo01@... | 10/17/07
One word - Proofpoint (or f-Secure/Proofpoint)  rtiterle@... | 10/17/07
95%. Yes, spam has hit 95% level of all email  TripleII | 10/17/07
treat it like backgroud noise, that's what I do  pitrh | 10/17/07
I disagree, still attacking the symptoms  TripleII | 10/17/07
US Laws hardly apply to non-US spammers  GreyTech | 10/17/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  Urdolf | 10/17/07
phone call strangers  bcroner | 10/18/07
hurt by the same snake oil then  pitrh | 10/18/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  daveword@... | 10/19/07
I want my mail delivered  ranaonline | 10/20/07
RE: Note to all anti-spam vendors: Why your solutions stink and standards are needed instead  mark@... | 10/30/07
EMAIL BECOMMING WORTHLESS  sidney.schultz@... | 11/15/07
2-cents solution works. Follow the money.  hnwu | 02/25/08
"turn one bunch of lawyers against another and nail the network carriers"  ghooton | 08/12/08

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