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August 8th, 2006

Another WGA failure

Posted by Ed Bott @ 7:34 am

Categories: WGA

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[Update 10-August: It took a few days, but I'm now officially a pirate. Don't miss the follow-up post here along with the accompanying image gallery that shows the WGA process in action.]

I just experienced a Windows Genuine Advantage failure. Only it’s not a false positive, like the horror stories I’ve been hearing for nearly two months now. No, this one was a false negative. The whole story says a lot about how Microsoft is approaching the WGA issue.

A few weeks ago, I spoke to some of the folks on the WGA team and asked them to send me a pirated version of Windows XP. I’m reluctantly running a pirated version of Windows and can’t get caught no matter how hard I try. According to Microsoft, 80 percent of the 60 million people who have been nabbed by the WGA validation tool are running versions of Windows with stolen or pirated volume license keys. These versions of Windows are supposed to be available only to corporate customers and only as upgrades. Unlike retail versions, they don’t require activation, which makes them an ideal target of pirates and bootleggers.

According to Microsoft, many of the people who end up with these “non-genuine” copies of Windows are themselves victims. The unauthorized OS might have been installed by a repair shop, or they might have purchased what they thought was a legitimate copy of Windows from an unscrupulous reseller. I wanted to install a pirated copy so I could experience exactly what these customers go through and report the results to you. I still can’t quite believe how difficult it’s been. Here’s the story so far.

On July 18, Microsoft’s WGA team promised to send me a disk with a product key from their blocked list. It was supposed to arrive via overnight service, but it was never sent. After several follow-up messages, I was assured on July 26 I would have something by the end of that week. The package finally arrived the next week, on August 1. It contained a CD-R with a handwritten label that read “Windows XP SP2 – VLK,” and a 25-character product key on a small slip of paper.

Over the weekend, I hoisted the Jolly Roger, cleared a partition on a test machine, slid the CD into the drive, and prepared to join the ranks of Windows pirates. Unfortunately, the product key that Microsoft had sent me didn’t work. Instead of a smooth installation, I got an error message: "The Product ID which you entered is invalid. Please try again." I fired off a request for assistance to my contacts at Microsoft. Nearly 72 hours later, I still haven’t received a response other than a note that confirms my message was forwarded to the correct person.

No problem, I thought. I’ll just do what any red-blooded pirate would do and Google for a working product key. It took me about 15 minutes to find a web page containing five volume license keys that had reportedly been posted on September 9 2004. Surely if I can find a leaked VL key on a search engine, Microsoft can too, right? If these keys have been floating around the Internet for two years, surely they’ve been tagged as stolen by Microsoft, and I’ll get a WGA failure that I can show the world.

I restarted the installation using the VL media Microsoft had supplied me and entered one of the bootleg keys I found. It worked. After installation completed, I set up an Internet connection and downloaded a slew of updates, including the WGA Validation tool and the WGA Notifications utility. I then restarted, fully expecting to see a series of stern messages telling me I’d been busted.

Only that’s not how it worked out.

My bootleg key worked perfectly. I went back to Windows Update and downloaded a series of Optional Updates and drivers that are only available to Genuine Windows users. I went over to the Internet Explorer homepage and downloaded the latest beta of IE7, passing a validation test twice – once on the download and again on the installation. And five minutes ago I went over to the Windows Defender page – this is another free utility that’s only available to Genuine Windows users – and the validation check waved me right through.

That’s where I stand right now. The folks who are running the WGA program are having troubles getting the little stuff right, like putting a CD in the mail and proofreading the product key they sent with it. They haven’t managed to identify a stolen product key that’s been floating around the Internet for nearly two years. I’m reluctantly running a pirated version of Windows and can’t get caught no matter how hard I try.

But these same people want us to believe that the WGA software they’ve developed is nearly foolproof. They claim that all but “a fraction of a percent” of those 60 million people who’ve been denied access to Microsoft updates and downloads are guilty, guilty, guilty.

Right.

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RE: Another WGA failure
genuine microsoft sucks! because of this crap i can't download windows media player 11!! does anyone know a website on how to remove this program permanently from my computer???... (Read the rest)
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stupidity at its finest  not of this world | 08/08/06
I'm willing to bet (lots) that this isn't the only false positive. (nt)  Zeppo9191 | 08/08/06
Who cares about false negatives anyway?  Michael Kelly | 08/08/06
WGA affects everyone  Richard Flude | 08/08/06
What do you expect Ed?  bportlock | 08/08/06
I've already written the "damning article"  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/08/06
LOL!  bportlock | 08/08/06
I got a false negative  piripo | 08/09/06
Actually, that's a false positive  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/06
what a bunch of @-holes  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
And We Wish to thank you Ed Bott  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
Plugging Away  Your Mom 2.0 | 08/09/06
Are you sure?  Linux User 147560 | 08/09/06
Getting False Positives  chromeronin | 08/10/06
Article  Cardhu | 08/16/06
Makes perfect sense  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
80 percent of 60 million....  jinko | 08/08/06
Follow the links to the other articles  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/08/06
balony  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
Confused  ken@... | 08/10/06
That must be the new definition of 'customer loyalty'  HypnoToad | 08/08/06
I am one of those 12 Million.  Golem | 08/09/06
and it gets worse  ggossett001 | 08/09/06
Sadly, If you read the EULA  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 08/09/06
Read the EULA  pkr@... | 08/10/06
Stopping WGA  danellealtrusa@... | 08/31/06
Wow, Ed, gives ya the chills, don't it?  OButterball | 08/08/06
What we've come to expect from MSFT  Chad_z | 08/08/06
I must have missed it.  misceng | 08/09/06
I have an example  Media-Ted@... | 08/09/06
PC-Tools  akpenguin | 08/09/06
Expect nothing but the unexpected  roboman1@... | 08/10/06
MS WGA is doing more for OSS than Stallman & the FSF.  JonathonDoe | 08/08/06
Naming  pkr@... | 08/10/06
sure, they did  glassangel | 08/31/06
so, what was that key?  stv@... | 08/08/06
Not surpised  kcredden | 08/08/06
I see a lot of customers' machines  swoopee | 08/08/06
Ah I wish I could have been the fly on that  Linux User 147560 | 08/08/06
Mine too!!!  JCitizen | 08/09/06
good for you  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
History repeats itself: why Excel copy protection was dropped in 1984  XP user | 08/09/06
My sorry experience with Microsoft staff over WGA  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
Your number has been noted!  bportlock | 08/08/06
ms support link is still active...wow!  Flubnut | 08/08/06
Thread is still visible  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/08/06
Hey Ed, I'm curious about how all this is effecting the industry  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
The Answer is A ... MS Thought Police Action  gwrigg | 08/08/06
Yep, I knew this WGA thang was having a huge impact on business  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
Over the hill  pkr@... | 08/10/06
Brownshoe Sailor  Brownshoe Sailor | 08/09/06
Sounds like a good enough reson to switch and entire network to linux  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
The answer is insightful...  bart001fr | 08/10/06
Its the login, logout - security  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Rightclick!!! Always, always, always Rightclick!!!  bart001fr | 08/10/06
I see what it is now  troubled241 | 08/09/06
The Forum you requested does not exist  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
Priceless  swoopee | 08/08/06
I Had A Similar Experience  itanalyst | 08/08/06
Everyone will eventually have the same experience  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
Yes, That One Guy Is No_Ax.....  itanalyst | 08/08/06
Your right I saw it  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Thread Has Been Resurrected YoDaddy  itanalyst | 08/08/06
LOL they deleted it...  itanalyst | 08/08/06
The forum you requested does not exist  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
Welcome to the world of Linux....  bportlock | 08/08/06
Huh, all I seen was a silly rant.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/08/06
Sure the MVPs are helpful, but....  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
Brownshoe Sailor  Brownshoe Sailor | 08/09/06
go figure....  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/06
WRONG...Read The Thread  itanalyst | 08/08/06
Maybe too many people are  ebrke | 08/09/06
Hmm. Has Microsoft shut this down?  Langalibalene | 08/09/06
Oops! See that's old news  Langalibalene | 08/09/06
It would appear that you have been wiped . . .  a.techno.geek | 08/09/06
hey...  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
I have at least 5 clients with blownup computers...  JCitizen | 08/09/06
you mean...  glassangel | 08/31/06
Upset with WGA? Kubuntu welcomes you!  xunil skcor | 08/08/06
Kubuntu does rock.  dave.leigh@... | 08/08/06
I could learn to like that, how easy are hardware drivers to find?  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Hardware drivers  osaeris | 08/10/06
WGA  jack@... | 08/08/06
Microsoft just blocked me from their "Feedback and Comments" forum  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
Just Proves Their Worthlessness YoDaddy  itanalyst | 08/08/06
"Yodaddy" distorts his story!  cnfrisch | 08/09/06
Not So  gwrigg | 08/09/06
Your right I saw it, did it to me too  troubled241 | 08/09/06
I got banned too, for telling the truth.  Golem | 08/09/06
You can post again, just sign up for another Hotmail account.  Golem | 08/09/06
Try to understand  TonyMcS | 08/08/06
Oh, it's broken fersure  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
interesting response there Tony...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/08/06
Nothing bad ever happens to me  zmud | 08/08/06
Try to understand...  Linux User 147560 | 08/09/06
2 things to remember  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 08/09/06
Ah  Linux User 147560 | 08/09/06
In the meantime...  bart001fr | 08/10/06
A 'few problems' ???  wcb42ad | 08/09/06
I gotta feelin.....  JCitizen | 08/09/06
A 'few problems' ???  wcb42ad | 08/09/06
You Try to understand  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
Another Excuser of Microsoft  Cardhu | 09/03/06
WGA failure that led to a 1st linux installation success story  tickedoff! | 08/08/06
Please, please help me convert to a new religion too  Yodaddy | 08/08/06
You want to run a 64 bit OS  swoopee | 08/08/06
go to Novell  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 08/09/06
Here is a new religion...  bart001fr | 08/10/06
Give Ubuntu a try and see the light my brother.  teddybairs1 | 08/31/06
I gave up on UBUNTU  manperez | 09/02/06
WGA failure that will lead to a 1st linux installation success story  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
Microsoft tossed me off their support forums cause I asked pointed question  Yodaddy | 08/09/06
It gets better  Yodaddy | 08/09/06
wga is a joke  nix_hed | 08/09/06
Money is no object  Yodaddy | 08/09/06
how missleading  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
"how missleading" damn right  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
Microsoft tossed me off their support forums cause I asked pointed question  cnfrisch | 08/09/06
So a Microsoft support forum MVP decides to follow me here and add insults  Yodaddy | 08/10/06
A question for Carey Frisch, seeing as you are lurking here from Microsoft  Yodaddy | 08/10/06
So a Microsoft support forum MVP decides to follow me here and add insults  cnfrisch | 08/10/06
Wrong!  Yodaddy | 08/10/06
A Distortion Typical of You, Frisch  Cardhu | 09/03/06
They banned me for using user name: Insight124  troubled241 | 08/09/06
You'll like this one ...  gwrigg | 08/09/06
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!  JCitizen | 08/09/06
Hey  pineapplelaw@... | 08/09/06
Google? Is that a search engine?  mario.bruyninckx@... | 08/09/06
MS benefits from pirates  european | 08/09/06
Not So  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
MS has always counted pirates as "copies in use"  critic-at-arms | 08/09/06
WGA/WPA kill switch  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
WGA  dplant@... | 08/09/06
How many distortions can you pack into one post?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/06
Your right I saw it too  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Not the issue is it?  Langalibalene | 08/09/06
wait no more...  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
Lawsuit Bases  Cardhu | 09/03/06
Well Here is Answer!  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
Mepis  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
No! This is the answer.  bart001fr | 08/10/06
Here's a suggestion...  wcb42ad | 08/09/06
Dplant fails reading comprehension exam!  critic-at-arms | 08/09/06
MS doesn't care  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
of course it will work!  Presler | 08/09/06
Disable WGA  infosrama | 08/09/06
Another WGA failure is right  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Feeding the pig  pkr@... | 08/10/06
Another WGA failure is right  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Great experiment, David ...  mwagner@... | 08/09/06
Who's David?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/06
Conspiracy theory  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
Conspiracy theory  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
Conspiracy theory  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
It is not clear to me how WGA can possibly work  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
SUSE to the rescue  dagunny | 08/09/06
I used to like SUSE! But now I Mepis!  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
Get real - get a Mac  Gene(ius):) | 08/09/06
Thank you for that insightful post....  DCMann | 08/09/06
Why pretend when you can have the real thing?  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
You're somewhat off topic...  JonathonDoe | 08/09/06
Expensive is right  troubled241 | 08/09/06
Try this solution  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
Mac and Windows  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
I Told you so  IceTheNet@... | 08/09/06
The WGA is Microsoft screwing it's own customers  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
Companies selling preinstalled Linux and no-OS  cyber_rigger@... | 08/09/06
Is linux a real alternative to Windows?  haydens0 | 08/09/06
major problem minor fix  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
More straight  pkr@... | 08/10/06
Is linux a real alternative to Windows?  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
See this post here:  Linux User 147560 | 08/10/06
Linux - Accounting Software  cyber_rigger@... | 08/10/06
accounting software  bart001fr | 08/10/06
One could think false positives/negatives are of secondary importance  LoCal | 08/09/06
PLEASE send me the key!  DesertOutlaw | 08/09/06
I would if I could, tell you it all yours.  troubled241 | 08/09/06
If it's a Compaq OEM CD, it can't be reused  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/06
PLEASE send me the key!  ikara.au@... | 08/10/06
HP is taking on the same attitude  DesertOutlaw | 08/10/06
Problem Solved  DesertOutlaw | 08/10/06
Of course, new ROI numbers will include WGA time  TripleII | 08/09/06
Cool, and bad, it does disable machines  TripleII | 08/09/06
..."Have you reported the shop to local authorities?...  randysmith@... | 08/10/06
behind the times  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
Why not just use Xandros 4 for $ 40 ?  IAFarm2 | 08/09/06
WGA Exposed  mypl8s4u2 | 08/09/06
Windows vs Linux in Small Business Environment  haydens0 | 08/09/06
Check this out...  Linux User 147560 | 08/10/06
Great post..  Jay E Court | 08/31/06
Windoze from Emule with integrated keygens and activation cracks passes WGA  GreatInca | 08/09/06
Windoze from Emule with integrated keygens and activation cracks passes WGA  GreatInca | 08/09/06
Cannot recommend Windows anymore  MacKeyser | 08/09/06
This post needs to be published as a separate article! Thanks MacKeyser!  Yodaddy | 08/10/06
Excellent post  ccrashh2@... | 08/10/06
True Positives are an issue too  ccrashh2@... | 08/10/06
And good luck with a legit license after a repair  cecwin@... | 08/10/06
WGA--Katousha Rockets Next  mike@... | 08/11/06
Carey Frisch, have you seen this link?...you should sue!  Yodaddy | 08/11/06
Yodaddy-clicked on the link...  parrotnut | 08/14/06
Yep, it is funny fersure!  Yodaddy | 08/14/06
WGA Dosnt work right, and it cannot work right  Cayble | 08/11/06
A recent fix that works  Yodaddy | 08/14/06
Makes you wonder . . .  Sheeva | 08/14/06
Sheeva, you sniffed it correctly  Yodaddy | 08/14/06
WGA breaks legitimate copies of Windows  bs_soft | 08/15/06
That story is AWESOME!!!...  Jay E Court | 08/31/06
WGA  nmaclennan | 08/31/06
Microsoft is doing something wrong  Leria | 08/31/06
You don't need WGA to show that  Cardhu | 09/03/06
What's the Problem? I've been using MS  workit@... | 09/03/06
This Tune Is Old and Strained  Cardhu | 09/04/06
WGA  cyber@... | 10/05/06
Thanks  andyhundt | 10/16/06
RE: Another WGA failure  genuine microsoft hater | 03/18/08

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