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September 25th, 2006

WGA strikes Vista, Office 2007

Posted by Ed Bott @ 10:55 am

Categories: Microsoft Office, WGA, Windows Vista

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Microsoft's Windows Genuine Advantage anti-piracy program was an add-on to Windows XP, Office 2003, and earlier versions of both programs. But the Genuine Advantage code is baked into Windows Vista and Office 2007, as I learned earlier today.

Over the weekend, one of my test copies of Windows Vista RC1, downloaded from Microsoft's servers and installed in a virtual machine with a legitimate product key, began behaving strangely. The new Windows Vista Welcome Center wouldn't open. Control Panel wouldn't display any icons. I couldn't reach Windows Update. I couldn't check the Windows Activation module to confirm that this copy of Windows Vista had been properly activated.

I tried normal troubleshooting techniques, including using System Restore to roll back the configuration and undo any recent changes. None of my efforts were successfuly, so I left the VM running and started working with a backup copy.

This morning, when I returned to the VM window, I was startled to see this dialog box:

eb_vista_wga_dialog.png

Apparently, something in Windows Vista's WGA code has decided that this copy of Windows isn't Genuine. And if you look at that dialog box, you'll notice that it doesn't offer any way to resolve the problem. Fortunately, the new Windows Easy Transfer utility worked, and I was able to use it to move all the data from this VM to a clean install. But this sort of problem without a solution shouldn't be occurring on a release candidate. I've heard reports that other beta testers have encountered similar errors with Vista RC1 but haven't been able to confirm the details yet. (If it's happened to you, send me an e-mail with details.)

A few minutes later, I checked my RSS reader and found this post from Excel guru John Walkenbach. The short version: He tried to download an Excel template using the new Office menu in Excel 2007 and was prompted with an Office Genuine Advantage dialog box. When he ran the validation tool, the resulting message informed him that his copy of Office 2007 was ineligible for updates because a copy of Office XP Professional installed on the same computer is "not genuine."

I opened my copy of Excel 2007, clicked to download one of the online templates, and received the same initial prompt John saw:

eb_office2007_genuine_1.png

Update: John graciously sent me a screen shot showing the WGA failure message he received and gave me permission to reprint it here.

eb_wga2_walkenbach.png

Fortunately, my copy of Office 2007 passed the validation test. But John's conclusion is right on the money:

Yes, their bogus software concludes that my copy of Office XP (not Office 2007) is not genuine. When I click the button in order to get genuine, I go to a Web site that tells me Office 2007 isn't activated (which is not true). I eventually find a page that will tell me more details — but it doesn't work with Firefox, so I have to download a program. Eventually, I find out the reason why I can't download an Office 2007 template:

Microsoft Office XP Professional with FrontPage: Validation Failed.
The product key used to install Office has been blocked by Microsoft.

Apparently, it checks every version of Office on your system. If any of them is suspect, you're locked out with no apparent way to resolve the problem — short of buying a new copy or uninstalling the product. At no time does it ever suggest that the problem could be with their software.

And make no mistake about it: The Genuine Advantage software is wrong far more often than Microsoft is willing to admit. I'll have more details on that story tomorrow.

Update: If you think this is just a beta issue, think again. As I report in this follow-up post, Microsoft's support professionals admit that WGA problems "are coming up more commonly now."

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Whoa up a second...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
don't install together... ?  nomadikone | 09/25/06
Wait till the end of  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
people like to...  jakex3@... | 09/25/06
OTOH, if everyone stayed away from the betas...  Zogg | 09/25/06
Hey clueless  DarthRidiculous | 09/25/06
Hey super clueless!  Confused by religion | 09/25/06
Ed isn't jumping the gun  Zeppo9191 | 09/25/06
Wouldn't installing both be the reason for doing so  voska | 09/25/06
Sorry but no  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
I'm having a blonde moment  Shelendrea | 09/25/06
Not that blonde.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
Office beta on Windows beta  CarlS | 09/25/06
Read the rest of that page.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
Not true, fully supported combination  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/25/06
Aw, just ignore Axey, Ed.  OButterball | 09/25/06
Please do, and remain in ignorance.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
ANd what else does it say?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
I get the impression that you got burned on that one.  B.O.F.H. | 09/25/06
I don't believe it  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/06
That was Great Y B Kidding  OldMarine | 10/02/06
Wonderful anti-piracy measures  opensourcepro | 09/25/06
WGA looks for other MS products?  msolgeek | 09/25/06
Chess  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/06
What are you on?  msolgeek | 09/26/06
It doesn't really.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
Not true  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/26/06
Just another reason I won't be getting Vista  DarthRidiculous | 09/25/06
Sounds like Treacherous Computing at it's finest  Suicida| | 09/25/06
Heh.  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/25/06
IS WGA all that bad?  voska | 09/25/06
Yes!  jinko | 09/25/06
Reactivation isn't a technical challenge, but  Bill4 | 09/25/06
Sweet!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/06
And you're surprised about this... why?  dave.leigh@... | 09/25/06
Ed, MS does NOT recommend  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/25/06
Well, OK...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/25/06
Several solutions  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/26/06
Hmm..You can have multiple versions of Open Office on a Linux box  itanalyst | 09/25/06
HAHAHAHA!  Confused by religion | 09/25/06
Another M$ shill has emerged(NT)  DarthRidiculous | 09/25/06
RE: Hmm..You can have multiple versions of Open Office on a Linux box  joe6pack_z | 09/26/06
Settle Down - This software is still BETA  jpr75_z | 09/26/06
No its ALPHA  ccsaxton123 | 10/02/06
Lack of organisation  ccsaxton123 | 10/02/06

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