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September 27th, 2006

WGA horror story #760745

Posted by Ed Bott @ 1:17 pm

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Some of the stories on Microsoft's Windows Validation Problems forum are too heartbreaking not to share. This report from a Microsoft customer using the handle "purple collie" appeared on Monday:

Followed your steps. Validated machine; ran MGA & shows GENUINE — still get the "not genuine" prompt at login and on tool bar. How do I make this stop??

The post also included the output from the Microsoft Genuine Advantage Diagnostic utility, establishing that this copy of Windows XP is indeed legitimate.

Another forum participant helpfully passed along some of the cut-and-paste instructions routinely offered by the official support crew, prompting this response from the original WGA victim, which adds some context:

I have run the WGA download; I have validated the software; MGA still says genuine; enabled active-x and run the wgatray /b.

This machine is supposed to be running in the OR, and the last thing the docs need when they go to pull up the xrays/ct scans is to be told they are illegal (and to spend time clicking around to get rid of the fool message).

The wga message started after I reformatted my Dell and re-loaded windows. Then I installed the MS updates (which were fine) and then installed a new nvidia card. Since then it's been wga heartbreak!

Any more suggestions?? HELP!!

Here's the "fool message" that appears every time one of the doctors in this hospital operating room tries to log on to Windows XP:

eb_not_genuine_small_1.png

Two days later, a Microsoft MVP who volunteers on the forum finally got around to offering yet another cut-and-paste reply:

Go to your C:windowssystem32 folder and DELETE the LegitCheckControl.dll file. Then go to http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/Validate.aspx?displaylang=en and revalidate. That will reload the DLL file correctly. Reboot your computer after this.

This same MVP smugly asserted in the Talkback section of yesterday's report on the rising rate of WGA problems that every single report like this one is the result of "pre-existing system file corruption issues that resulted in their inability to properly valdate their system." According to this Microsoft apologist, "The WGA file itself is not flawed and works as designed to validate a genuine Windows operating system devoid of file corruption."

In this example, of course, the WGA victim did a completely clean installation of Windows, with nothing more than updates from Microsoft and a new video card. So where did the "file corruption" come from? Unless, of course, this is the new Catch-22 and any problem with WGA Notifications is, on its face, evidence that you have file corruption and you just need to look a little harder.

A word to the wise: If you end up on the operating table at this hospital, do not - I repeat, do not tell them you work at Microsoft.

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Not really Genuine  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
He's kidding, people  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/27/06
I have a question  Shelendrea | 09/27/06
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
Another one of those fine lines  DannyO_0x98 | 09/28/06
Feature??? NT  mdsmedia | 09/29/06
Re: Not really Genuine  cnfrisch | 09/28/06
Different story at WGA forum  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/28/06
Thats not the point  nmh | 09/28/06
MS needs to tell us the exact amount and order to do things.  osreinstall | 09/28/06
Re: MS needs to tell us the exact amount and order to do things.  cnfrisch | 09/28/06
They always popup unsigned drivers on 2000  osreinstall | 09/28/06
As frustrating as Linux??  mdsmedia | 09/29/06
Yes but not on 2000  osreinstall | 09/29/06
Lol the certified video drivers never cause any problems right?  zmud | 09/29/06
I do not have problems with video drivers.  osreinstall | 09/29/06
Another Reason Why...  WildcatRay | 09/29/06
I felt like that for years.  osreinstall | 09/29/06
MS money grubbing?  david.archambault@... | 09/29/06
New and improved....  qtrback | 09/29/06
It's more like ...  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
Who said MS was fair?  John L. Ries | 09/29/06
8.0  John L. Ries | 09/29/06
Not Really Genuine  Kenoscope | 09/30/06
yep  Badgered | 09/27/06
agree  CobraA1 | 09/28/06
re: Certified Computer Technician  mujadaddy | 09/28/06
Wasn't genuine  TripleII | 09/27/06
You're kidding  anthony@... | 09/27/06
:-D  TripleII | 09/27/06
It could do this once every month or two...  CommSoft | 09/27/06
I wouldn't think so  Shelendrea | 09/27/06
Marketing  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
Footgun  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
ROFLMAO  TripleII | 09/27/06
Trying To Restrain Myself  KeithPe | 09/29/06
Someone else drives my car???  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
You're Right About Digital Rights Management  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Ah you have  Linux User 147560 | 09/30/06
LOL No ...  Cardhu | 09/30/06
MS simply DOES NOT CARE.  CommSoft | 09/27/06
They don't have to  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
The irony is lost on many  TripleII | 09/27/06
Yesterday's report on the rising rate of WGA problems?  cnfrisch | 09/27/06
Easily solved problem  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
Don't make me  Shelendrea | 09/27/06
I'll take a stab at answering these  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
How about some evidence?  TonyMcS | 09/27/06
Tony, are you a lawye?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/27/06
Uphill skate  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/27/06
re: uphill skate  Arm A. Geddon | 09/28/06
Ironic  bmgoodman | 10/04/06
I Do Not Advocate Theft  Cardhu | 10/04/06
I switched because of this and I'll spend my life converting others  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 09/27/06
That is the ultimate shill  Cardhu | 09/27/06
Gotta be a bloody Yank.  DNSB | 10/02/06
And many of us in engineering are concerned  Cardhu | 10/03/06
C N Frisch is  Cardhu | 09/27/06
You make it easy to respond  TripleII | 09/27/06
Here Here!!  qtrback | 09/29/06
The New Math Frisch Style  Cardhu | 09/27/06
Ed Bott was quoting Microsoft Employees  Cardhu | 09/27/06
Yeah, they have probably all given up  ebrke | 09/29/06
laffing hard  qtrback | 09/29/06
Yuchham's Razor demands  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
I think you mean Occam's Razor  Cardhu | 09/30/06
I'd love to agree, ... but  Media-Ted@... | 09/30/06
Ah, I Understand  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Oh Pun the Gates to Freedom!  Media-Ted@... | 10/01/06
Bien sur!  Cardhu | 10/01/06
MVP needs retraining!  gmortensensprint@... | 09/27/06
Here is a patch that works  NtroP | 09/27/06
as to not pick favourites, I'll present this link...  Arm A. Geddon | 09/28/06
RE: Here is a patch that works  Protagonistic | 09/29/06
Can I be an MS WGA volunteer?  TripleII | 09/27/06
WGA to cause people to DIE on the Operating Room table?  rh0 | 09/27/06
That Would Cause An Investigation  Cardhu | 09/28/06
Easy...  ju1ce | 09/28/06
I Can Only Shake My Head In Wonder  Cardhu | 09/28/06
Actually, they do  TotallyFrustrated | 09/28/06
I was hoping, I was really hoping  Cardhu | 09/29/06
"Dispense Radiation Treatments"  Cardhu | 09/29/06
It sounds bad...  ju1ce | 09/28/06
Easily "fixed" ...  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
Windows for use in hospitals?  mikew@... | 10/03/06
It Was a Software Design Flaw  Cardhu | 10/03/06
Ed - Did you catch this error?  cnfrisch | 09/27/06
Carey, you're an MVP?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/28/06
"Reaching," Heck  Cardhu | 09/28/06
All is right with the world  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/28/06
From my experience..  Patrick Jones | 09/28/06
Hmm  Suicida| | 09/28/06
Wrong....  techboy_z | 09/28/06
correct but....  Badgered | 09/28/06
Details, details  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/28/06
Well....  Ed Macke | 09/29/06
Yep  techboy_z | 09/29/06
Do you think...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/29/06
And I ask again...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/29/06
So if I ...  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
Yes, those two commands are the same  cnfrisch | 09/30/06
OK, so your original post was wrong  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/30/06
Reply to Ed - "The problem in and of itself"  cnfrisch | 09/30/06
The Constant Offense  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Trust.... but verify  cnfrisch | 09/30/06
The Display of Character  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Sheesh...  DNSB | 10/02/06
No Charge WGA Support  cnfrisch | 10/02/06
Any Takers? Please Let Us Know  Cardhu | 10/03/06
Stupid point  zmud | 09/28/06
He had credibility?  Shelendrea | 09/28/06
Can't lose what you never had (NT)  Stuka | 09/28/06
It was fascinating flame war between Ed and Frisch  zmud | 09/28/06
Ed Never Stoops To Flaming  Cardhu | 09/28/06
You're wrong too...  techboy_z | 09/28/06
Still missing it  TotallyFrustrated | 09/28/06
You are an idiot  Badgered | 09/29/06
Bzzzztt.  techboy_z | 09/29/06
Oh no...  Badgered | 09/29/06
Yes, they are different  dscherf | 09/29/06
That was reeeaaal gooood!  osreinstall | 09/28/06
Here's one  zmud | 09/29/06
They're the same  TotallyFrustrated | 09/28/06
Error? What error?  DNSB | 10/02/06
Again no peep from Axe or Loverock  DarthRidiculous | 09/28/06
Why Bother?  itanalyst | 09/28/06
The answer to WGA problems.  Henry Miller | 09/28/06
You forgot:  Suicida| | 09/28/06
Oh, please!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/28/06
Ready to Move to Linux?  randys@... | 09/29/06
How much do you spend on IT now?  TripleII | 09/29/06
Linux vs.Windows:Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) Survey  cnfrisch | 09/29/06
That's funny!  Linux User 147560 | 09/29/06
Similar experience with our company's IT support  Cardhu | 09/29/06
No, you are what's funny...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
spoken like a truely clueless MVP  Monkey_MCSE | 09/29/06
Another wanna be that couldn't be an MVP  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
No, i can't be an MVP  Monkey_MCSE | 10/01/06
Please Stop It, Both Of You  Cardhu | 09/30/06
hmmm you might want to re-read...  Monkey_MCSE | 10/01/06
I Absolutely Don't Want  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Carey, you still have a couple of unanswered questions  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/29/06
Frisch has still not answered either question.  Cardhu | 09/30/06
WOW, great link, thanks!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
shows how much you know...  Monkey_MCSE | 10/01/06
Even if valid, such TCO analysis is not a significant factor  Cardhu | 10/01/06
If you feel that way...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
We know.  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Alternative Choice  Ole Man | 10/09/06
Just a small cartoon about WGA  owidder | 09/28/06
Scoble, where are thou?  jaycross | 09/28/06
Spreading my Penguinista poison  Chad_z | 09/29/06
I'll go you one even further...  jskline0@... | 09/29/06
MS deserves to die fiscally  Dr_Zinj | 09/29/06
It Won't Come To That  Cardhu | 09/29/06
What we really need is ...  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
If you're legit anyway, HACK THE SUCKER!  deleweye | 09/29/06
WGA nightmare  weedonald@... | 10/07/06
Re: WGA LegitCheckControl.dll file  cnfrisch | 10/08/06
Customer Support Survey  Cardhu | 10/08/06
Re: Customer Support Survey  cnfrisch | 10/08/06
Laughing Out Loud!  Cardhu | 10/08/06
If WGA is so hard to get right, how can Microsoft guarantee  Dr-T | 09/29/06
A simple solution  onedavester@... | 09/29/06
No, this was not the problem  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/29/06
Microsoft MVPs  mreilly19 | 09/29/06
I bless themn for their efforts  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
And do you know why?  Patrick Jones | 09/30/06
Like "Child" and Sonny?"  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Huh?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
Title Or Not, No_Axe  Cardhu | 10/03/06
Oh PULEASE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
Denigrating Others Personally  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Oh PULEASE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
No  Patrick Jones | 10/02/06
MS & WGA  dragon010@... | 09/29/06
Phoolz Namez and Phoolz Phaces  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 09/29/06
Message has been deleted.  Media-Ted@... | 09/29/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
I hack it and then.........  wizardb@... | 09/29/06
This is SO .....  Senlac_Hill | 09/29/06
Lets talk real numbers...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/29/06
Not Real Numbers  Cardhu | 09/30/06
And before someone points it out ..  Cardhu | 09/30/06
I said, PIC any number.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
Read your links... Dead end.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
Perfection Is Unattainable  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Glad to see you agree there will always be a percentage  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
Not Exactly  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Well, when you write  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
Your Own Strawman  Cardhu | 10/01/06
In Fairness to the Ptriot System  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Yup, and yet they fail.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
"So much for your "perfect" code."  Cardhu | 09/30/06
Then you know there is no such thing  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
That Is a Non Sequitur  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Then you accept my premice  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
You're Not Welcome To Put Words In My Mouth  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Rephrased View of Microsoft Quality  Cardhu | 10/01/06
So you agree there will always be problems  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/02/06
"So you agree there will always be problems"  Cardhu | 10/02/06
Sorry pal  Linux User 147560 | 09/30/06
What ever you say child...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/30/06
Vacation ?  skiplarson | 10/01/06
Naw, busy making a living  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
Who is the child?  Linux User 147560 | 10/01/06
Ummm, the one that takes all day with a support call.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/06
Well, guess that would be you!  Linux User 147560 | 10/01/06
Huh? You're a closet Windows user.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/02/06
Nope  Linux User 147560 | 10/02/06
Ed - Care to elaboate on your statement...  cnfrisch | 10/01/06
If he won't I will...  Linux User 147560 | 10/01/06
I think it's more like  Cardhu | 10/01/06
Nope your off too...  Linux User 147560 | 10/01/06
Seriously? You don't get this?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/02/06
There is a truth disconnect here  cnfrisch | 10/02/06
The sentence is simply ambiguous  Cardhu | 10/02/06
Connect the dots?  cnfrisch | 10/02/06
Carey, Carey, Carey  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/02/06
Reply to Ed: Portions of the story that are not "factually based"?  cnfrisch | 10/02/06
Once again, reaching  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/02/06
Reply to Ed -  cnfrisch | 10/02/06
I agree with Ed  Patrick Jones | 10/02/06
A Case of Ambiguity  Cardhu | 10/02/06
something sure doesn't add up  Badgered | 10/02/06
"In A Hurry" is right  Cardhu | 10/02/06
Oh, Brother  Cardhu | 10/02/06
WGA enforcing DRM?  rschiron | 10/02/06
No, that's not it  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/02/06
Problem is Dell PC with non-DELL key  stormculture | 10/02/06
Read up on SLP activation  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/02/06
Okay Ed - I read here and here...  ladyirol | 10/08/06
WGA = Russian Roulette with your PC  slim-01 | 10/02/06
Re: Russian Roulette with your PC  cnfrisch | 10/02/06
If Anyone Does Check The Link  Cardhu | 10/03/06
Already have switched to Ubuntu  slim-01 | 10/03/06
That link is funny BUT  osreinstall | 10/03/06
Get a clue.  carlino | 10/03/06
Ed, Cnfrisch, this blogs for you  TripleII | 10/03/06
I Wonder  Cardhu | 10/03/06
You speak the truth  TripleII | 10/03/06
Oh, I Think Every Little Bit Helps  Cardhu | 10/04/06
WGA Truth Squad Replies:  cnfrisch | 10/04/06
Please Do Check Other Sources for Contrasting Views  Cardhu | 10/04/06
And Another  Cardhu | 10/04/06
Truth Squad?  TripleII | 10/04/06
Highly Ironic  Cardhu | 10/04/06
WGA is Even In A "Business Mistake" Case Study Book  Cardhu | 10/04/06
And Now This One  Cardhu | 10/04/06
WGA horror Story & Counterspy 2 beta  stbr25483@... | 10/05/06
Re: Counterspy 2 beta  cnfrisch | 10/05/06
WGA was Beta  Cardhu | 10/05/06
-*-*  cnfrisch | 10/06/06
These Things Are Easy To Trace  Cardhu | 10/07/06

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