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March 27th, 2007

Why does Linux hate me?

Posted by Ed Bott @ 11:12 am

Categories: Hardware, Linux

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In the Talkback section of this blog, my loyal readers routinely urge me to switch to Linux. “Try it!” they say. “Once you do, you’ll never look back.” I’m perfectly willing to try, and indeed I’d love to have at least one Linux machine on hand so I can test interoperability scenarios here. About eight months ago I tried to install Ubuntu Linux 6.06 on a couple of systems here. The results were less than encouraging, and I’ve been using Linux in virtual machines since then.

Over the weekend, I thought I’d try again to put together a dual-boot Windows/Linux PC. I have another system I can devote to the cause, with decent specs and no hardware issues that I know of. This hardware is about as generic as an Intel-based system gets. I first built this system in late 2003 and have upgraded it extensively over the past three and a half years. System specs are as follows:

  • Abit BL7–Raid motherboard
  • 2.8 GHz Pentium 4
  • 1.5GB RAM
  • Two ATA drives (200GB, 250GB) connected to HPT370 controller (on motherboard) in non-RAID configuration
  • ATI Radeon 9600 AGP video adapter
  • Realtek RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet adapter

I downloaded the latest release of SUSE Linux (10.2) and burned it to DVD. I also retrieved the Live CD copy of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS that I used last July and burned a fresh copy of Ubuntu 6.10. Here’s what happened next:

I booted from the Suse Linux DVD first. The system went straight into the installer, where I answered a few simple questions (time zone, language, and so on) and eventually got to the screen where it proposed what seemed like a sensible partitioning scheme. It recognized both drives, offered to create swap, system, and home partitions, and said it would resize an existing partition. I clicked OK and promptly received this error:

ERROR

Failure occurred during following action:
Setting type of partition /dev/hdf6 to 82

System error code was: -1012

That’s not good, is it? Googling every conceivable permutation of that error message turned up no useful information. When I rebooted to Windows, I saw that the partitioning utility had created the three partitions but hadn’t been able to finish the job.

I repeated the process after wiping all disks completely and removing all partitions (i.e., making them RAW). No difference. I tried the different installation options on the Suse DVD, including the Safe option. Still no joy.

So, it’s adios to Suse and on to Ubuntu 6.06 LTS. I restored an image of the Windows Vista installation and then booted to the Ubuntu CD. The runup to the installation was similar to my Suse experience, but when I chose the default partitioning options the installer didn’t halt on me. This is encouraging. The “Installing system” dialog box kept me apprised of its progress and eventually asked me to remove the CD and reboot. When I did, I was greeted with the usual startup text, followed by this message:

GRUB loading Stage1.5

And then the system rebooted. Next time around, it got to exactly the same point and rebooted, continuing in this loop until I hit the power button.

When I used a disk diagnostic utility to view the partitions, I saw that Ubuntu had indeed set up all the partitions exactly as it promised; it just couldn’t boot from them. And somehow the resized system volume (which had previously contained Windows Vista) had become corrupted and would no longer start. So I wiped that disk completely and restarted, this time using the Ubuntu 6.10 CD. When I got to the disk partitioning screen, I chose the default option to use the entire drive (the one I had just wiped) and to completely reformat it.

Everything proceeded exactly as before – including, unfortunately, the reboot loop.

Finally, I inserted a Windows Vista DVD, rebooted, and ran through Windows Vista setup. Vista doesn’t include drivers for the HPT370 controller, but I was able to download the XP drivers to a USB flash drive and supply them at the disk partitioning screen. Less than 25 minutes later, I had a full working copy of Windows Vista with access to all drives and devices.

So, my loyal Linux advocates, where did I go wrong? This isn’t a case of oddball hardware or missing drivers – in fact, both distros I tried had in-box drivers for my storage controller, recognized my disks during setup, and partitioned them to the correct sizes. They just couldn’t get the job done. And just to make clear, my objective here is to get a working installation, not to prove some ideological point in a Windows versus Linux debate. I want to have a working Linux box.

Update, seven hours later: The culprit apparently, is the HPT370 card. I disabled it (and unfortunately lost access to 450GB of storage) and installed a PCI SATA card with a 200GB drive. After a few hiccups (still not smooth) and more than two hours, Suse 10.2 is nearly installed. Now that I know this works I’m going to reconnect the IDE drives and hope it works…

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Blimey!  bportlock | 03/27/07
Try removing the second disk  bportlock | 03/27/07
Hardware  Tim Patterson | 03/27/07
If the hardware was faulty ....  ShadeTree | 03/27/07
Maybe not  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/27/07
I've done diagnostics  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
This is why  Michael Kelly | 03/27/07
That's helpful info  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Vista did NOT work without an XP driver. (NT)  Update victim | 03/28/07
What difference does that make.  ShadeTree | 03/28/07
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Wish I could help  hoiatl | 03/28/07
My guess is hardware....  Labrat636 | 03/27/07
YES, the HPT370  j.dupont | 03/27/07
So it WAS hardware after all?  Labrat636 | 03/28/07
WOW  JoseTorr | 03/27/07
Re: WOW  markjensen | 03/27/07
It just worked well enough he knew what to do. (nt)  ShadeTree | 03/27/07
Bizarre comment  markjensen | 03/27/07
re: It just worked well enough he knew what to do. (nt)  joe6pack_z | 03/27/07
but what he said was not  fuzzy2k | 03/28/07
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Needing a Driver a problem  red_ragtop | 03/30/07
WOW my butt!  MrGrave | 03/28/07
yeah? try installing Vista AFTER installing Linux  mdsmedia | 03/28/07
So, what's new with Windows.  Update victim | 03/28/07
Competition  Harry Bardal | 03/27/07
let me know when Apple wants to send me one  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
You seem a bit upset Ed , Why ?  Intellihence | 03/27/07
I'm not upset  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Ed did your hard drives come with special software so you can format the HD  Intellihence | 03/27/07
No  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
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Thank you!  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
More than ready for the desktop, just needs apps  voska | 03/28/07
I'll say BS!! to that  mdsmedia | 03/28/07
Hmmm,  maldain | 03/28/07
Not true anymore!  MrGrave | 03/28/07
i is a technician!  wjgrimm | 03/28/07
So you gotta be a technician ...  qlas | 03/28/07
Windows? Nah- OS X.  wjgrimm | 03/28/07
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Message has been deleted.  forceflow | 03/28/07
Hen770, for future's sake  miyojim | 03/30/07
Don' give up.  kozmcrae | 03/27/07
The cost is time  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Ed, I dual boot my system......  linux for me | 03/27/07
!! ED !! Try Debian  TG2 | 03/28/07
Don't give up  NotBornYesterday | 03/28/07
The cost is time. Too true  kevintxu | 03/29/07
Why in the world  tracy anne | 03/29/07
Ed - I may have an answer for you  bportlock | 03/27/07
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same thing  tombalablomba | 03/27/07
I did a search first  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
That was May 2004  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/27/07
and now you know why the world hasn't stampeded towards linux  Valis Keogh | 03/27/07
Vista didn't install either  magcomment | 03/27/07
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PC hardware architecture, Vista and Linux  miyojim | 03/30/07
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97%  bkwood@... | 03/29/07
ANy modern distro will do  qvtech | 03/30/07
yadda, yadda, yadda you man!  MrGrave | 03/28/07
Likely the same problem that Vista had  magcomment | 03/27/07
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hahaha!  bportlock | 03/27/07
Did it ?  magcomment | 03/27/07
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Actually, the driver problem Linux had  maldain | 03/28/07
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Pleeeze  Freebird54 | 03/28/07
What in the world does your post have to do with this?  ShadeTree | 03/28/07
Read again  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Quick Google  markjensen | 03/27/07
I read the links a bit further...  markjensen | 03/27/07
And non-zdnet readers ?  magcomment | 03/27/07
It identified both disks  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Debate?  markjensen | 03/27/07
Critical ?  magcomment | 03/27/07
Not directly anyone  markjensen | 03/27/07
I'm replying to all  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
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This Joe tries.  Gpa's | 04/01/07
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I used the system tools to format  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
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if you've come to grub  tombalablomba | 03/27/07
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Inexplicable things may happen to innocent entities  miyojim | 03/30/07
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They were raw partitions and clean installs  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Ed I read somewhere  Intellihence | 03/27/07
Uh...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
It has to do with the Automatic Partitioning scheme .  Intellihence | 03/27/07
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Plain & Simple  Intellihence | 03/27/07
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When Linux users have problems with Windows, they blame it on Windows, and  DonnieBoy | 03/27/07
"Roll up my sleeves and figure it out"  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Well, if you were a long time Linux user, you would have figured it out a  DonnieBoy | 03/27/07
One of my lab techs?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
(nt)Donnieboy must work for a school  toadlife | 03/27/07
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Linux: It's so easy...  John Zern | 03/27/07
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Try selling Vista computers without the OS installed, and none of the  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
That's a totally wrong conclusion  John Zern | 03/28/07
BUT!  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 03/30/07
Do you work for Microsoft?  Badgered | 03/28/07
It is also hard for Linux users to figure out Windows problems. Well, those  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
Finally  Badgered | 03/28/07
Well, he just needs to get help from a tech that knows Linux. Actually, he  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
Missing the point....  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
The new graphical installs under Linux are actually faster and easier than  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
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LINUX's Tonya Harding excuse  Technicolour Squirrel | 03/27/07
You are right, no-one ever has problems with Windows  TripleII | 03/27/07
Like "F6" and slap a floppy drive on is intuitive?  Robert Crocker | 03/28/07
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install of linux  jandalemarcum@... | 03/28/07
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This is an install problem. If you made Windows users install Vista, MOST  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
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YES! -  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
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Point is not valid  rkvh@... | 03/28/07
Only thing you forget, MOST Windows users do NOT install Windows and would  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
Wrong....  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
Yes, lots of the more technical users can install Windows, the same is true  DonnieBoy | 03/28/07
Missing the point  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
Except that he had the same problem with VISTA!! (nt)  mdsmedia | 03/28/07
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hey blame it on Windows  tracy anne | 03/28/07
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Oh snap!  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
And it failed you  TripleII | 03/27/07
I'm not frustrated  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Well, it read that way.  TripleII | 03/27/07
re: I'm not frustrated  joe6pack_z | 03/27/07
I feel your pain...  firehound | 03/27/07
Wow !!!  Intellihence | 03/27/07
And it failed you  moheganer2@... | 03/27/07
Wrong person  TripleII | 03/27/07
ROTFLMAO !  Intellihence | 03/27/07
You're upset !  Intellihence | 03/27/07
P.S.  Intellihence | 03/27/07
Excellant - well said  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
Ubuntu  Joerobyte | 03/29/07
One suggestion, Ed  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/27/07
No RAID  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
And the next choice is....  bportlock | 03/27/07
Spoke too soon  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
I'm a relative neophyte but..  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 03/29/07
Re: No RAID  none none | 03/27/07
It did all sorts of weird things  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
I'm so sorry Ed but ,,,  Intellihence | 03/27/07
Windows is a superior customer operating system (yet)  yanus7 | 03/27/07
Difference of Opinion  TripleII | 03/27/07
You're joking, right?  John Zern | 03/27/07
inexperienced  Suicida| | 03/27/07
I Agree. Most anyone can do it  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
Excuse me...  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
Disagree - your experience not the norm  fr0thy2. | 03/28/07
Neither is yours  Freebird54 | 03/28/07
Ed is NOT "trying" to show that at all  mdsmedia | 03/29/07
Thank you!  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
I agree, as far as it goes.  TtfnJohn | 03/28/07
RE:Windows is a superior customer operating system (yet)  devlin_X | 03/29/07
How many disks are on this PC ?  magcomment | 03/27/07
Well...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Interesting..  magcomment | 03/27/07
Disk starting point  Freebird54 | 03/28/07
What partition program were you using?  MisterMiester | 03/27/07
HPT370 Ubuntu Issues  CNLohr | 03/27/07
Why not try a desktop-friendly distro?  Roger Ramjet | 03/27/07
re: Why not try a desktop-friendly distro?  joe6pack_z | 03/27/07
Desktop Distro  zczc2311@... | 03/28/07
Wow  firehound | 03/27/07
Oops  firehound | 03/27/07
Ed, another suggestion  firehound | 03/27/07
Whoa!  joe6pack_z | 03/27/07
Pay attention  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
try PCLinuxos  Trevor Card | 03/28/07
Alright, try this then.  Dr_Zinj | 03/28/07
I'm more than age 10, but Linux was easier  pao_z | 03/28/07
No Experience?  Freebird54 | 03/28/07
I'm not Linux expert  voska | 03/27/07
Could It Be A Case Of PEBKAC?  itanalyst | 03/27/07
Nope, it's hardware incompatibility  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Shut up fool.  James T. Kirk | 03/28/07
OOOH What A Comeback  itanalyst | 03/28/07
Yeah, and...  rapson | 03/28/07
It's PIBCAK  electronics_md@... | 03/28/07
PEBCAK is what I learned  Linux User 147560 | 03/28/07
Explanation  Richard Flude | 03/27/07
I Googled "Linux HPT370" and found nothing useful  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
re:I Googled "Linux HPT370" and found nothing useful  joe6pack_z | 03/27/07
I didn't go to the Suse Forums  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
TECH SUPPORT!!!!!!  wjgrimm | 03/28/07
google "grub hpt370"  j.dupont | 03/27/07
You can stop posting this now  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
And you click what to do this?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/28/07
Linux is not for everyone  Richard Flude | 03/27/07
HPT366  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/28/07
Linux is a major pain to install ...  George Mitchell | 03/27/07
Thank You!  TripleII | 03/27/07
Rubish!!!!!!!  zczc2311@... | 03/28/07
Known problem with the HPT370+solution  j.dupont | 03/27/07
Have you tried moving the install disk to...  ye | 03/27/07
HPT370: problem+solution  j.dupont | 03/27/07
The responses here are embarrassing  NonZealot | 03/27/07
Your right, of course ...  George Mitchell | 03/27/07
to a degree I agree with you  mdsmedia | 03/29/07
And he got the solution  TripleII | 03/27/07
One question.  3D0G | 03/27/07
Fair question  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
ATA-33  3D0G | 03/28/07
s/DL7's/BL7's/ happy (NT)  3D0G | 03/28/07
That's what I said - second post to this whole thing  Labrat636 | 03/28/07
Another major earner  TonyMcS | 03/27/07
It's working now  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
The HPT370 controller  j.dupont | 03/27/07
I get it, I get it!  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Can't SOMEONE  justanitguy | 03/28/07
did you READ that reply Tony??? It works now..  mdsmedia | 03/29/07
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Ed - just try PCLinuxOS live CD  Don Collins | 03/27/07
Ahh yes. Hard drive controllers.  toadlife | 03/27/07
Wish I had your budget  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/27/07
Actually, not that expensive ...  George Mitchell | 03/27/07
Actually that is the 4 port model  toadlife | 03/27/07
I stand corrected ...  George Mitchell | 03/28/07
Toadlife  justanitguy | 03/28/07
No. It worked out of the box for me  toadlife | 03/28/07
Maybe try a third distro  XJRider | 03/27/07
82 Swap  D. T. Schmitz | 03/27/07
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I posted the Beryl links for OpenSuse  TripleII | 03/27/07
I'll second that  XJRider | 03/27/07
Ah... just the opening I was looking for  Michael Kelly | 03/27/07
Sorry about that first link  Michael Kelly | 03/27/07
Gentoo is nice  NonZealot | 03/27/07
Gentoo?  toadlife | 03/27/07
Beryl works on KDE with ATI  MisterMiester | 03/27/07
Thanks for all the help  NonZealot | 03/27/07
Amarok and MP3s  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Sorry for the delay  TripleII | 03/28/07
Doesn't work  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Wish an OpenSuse user were here.  TripleII | 03/28/07
Disable ZMD?  TripleII | 03/28/07
Says it can't find the Packman sources  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
My experience too  NonZealot | 03/28/07
I used this took me a few tries  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 04/01/07
ED-be patient  DemonX | 03/27/07
PS  DemonX | 03/27/07
A possible solution / explanation  Jordan_U | 03/27/07
lilo won't let you boot windows ???  geezer_geek | 03/28/07
Make sure you don't have BIOS anti-virus enabled  Filker0_z | 03/27/07
i think i know  mailbinoyv@... | 03/27/07
try these  w3nd13 | 03/27/07
My apple tv converter  johnreptues@... | 03/27/07
Similar experience here  otaddy | 03/28/07
Does this occur if you use LILO as the bootloader?  Scrat | 03/28/07
Boy Does that sound familiar!!!  seba_jb@... | 03/28/07
Replace the controller?  Sabz5150 | 03/28/07
Odd then...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Modules installed?  Sabz5150 | 03/28/07
Ubuntu Feisty 7.04  (``-_-´´) | 03/28/07
LiveCD link  (``-_-´´) | 03/28/07
Linux and newer Hardware don't mix well.  bad2thebone_z | 03/28/07
usrland expectations  noshellswill@... | 03/28/07
rubbish  qvtech | 03/28/07
Ed is "Leading the Witness"  aboulley | 03/28/07
Driver Issues  aboulley | 03/28/07
Cynical enough?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Who says I screwed up?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
No "Leading" here  lfugate@... | 03/28/07
Ed Linux hates everyone.  osreinstall | 03/28/07
Why does Linux hate me?  LinuxPops | 03/28/07
There's never a five-year-old around when you need one  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Same Issues - Different Solution  bmcguy | 03/28/07
OK Now...  Brakiss | 03/28/07
Wouldn't call hpt370 'as generic as it gets'  paul@... | 03/28/07
The issue you most likley had  ceward_z | 03/28/07
Half the Story  MildlyAmuzed | 03/28/07
Linux OS  dragracer2@... | 03/28/07
i use vista and suse 10.2 on laptop  hilcadia | 03/28/07
It is either easy or hard  DaveLG526 | 03/28/07
I'd Try PCLinuxOS  Tim51 | 03/28/07
Ignorance is not bliss  CJMEEZ | 03/28/07
Ignorance is not bliss CJMEEZ  SO.CAL Guy | 03/28/07
Am I the only one who sees the contradiction here?  amccoy@... | 03/28/07
Generic...  Badgered | 03/28/07
Dual Boot Systems  lonnie.barten@... | 03/28/07
Other Distros  Xenomancer | 03/28/07
Correction  Tim51 | 03/28/07
Product Mktg  kursk | 03/28/07
"Run" as opposed to "Install"  lfugate@... | 03/28/07
Youre not clear on what you did but....  qvtech | 03/28/07
If you had checked with HighPoint Tech ....  dcwest | 03/28/07
I used the mobo drivers  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Drivers Still Likely A Cause  dcwest | 03/28/07
Xcuse me, but if u're newbie...  ARyKaXaN | 03/28/07
Why does Vista hate nearly everyone?  Chad_z | 03/28/07
I found this with Fedora Core  dmacnevin | 03/28/07
hardware compatibility  code_flogger | 03/28/07
Fedora Core...  dmacnevin | 03/28/07
hey ED  ITdaized | 03/28/07
Try this  nickdangerthirdi@... | 03/28/07
Typical indeed  sward24@... | 03/28/07
Not sure why you are having problems, but -  fuzzy2k | 03/28/07
Hmmmmmmmmmm  mikeholli | 03/28/07
This is a 32-bit CPU  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Seems weird to me  glocks out | 03/28/07
The best choice of end user desktop is MAC  atomicsupergeek | 03/28/07
The best choice of end user desktop is MAC  SO.CAL Guy | 03/28/07
Linux installation and Ubuntu  islandsparkle@... | 03/28/07
Linux flavors  rickenbacker12 | 03/28/07
Workarounds? Here!  Mitch 74 | 03/28/07
Had a similar experience  josh@... | 03/28/07
Ubuntu has a Mac version  mikeholli | 03/28/07
Dual boot works fine on my laptop  falnar69 | 03/28/07
Bad motherboard  kokuryu | 03/28/07
Mobo design is not quite 6 years old  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Bad DVD burn? I suspect so.  OKJoe | 03/28/07
Nope  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Did you verify the download?  Labrat636 | 03/28/07
Redhat  mweinberg@... | 03/28/07
I'll wait  dearnette2000@... | 03/28/07
My guess is...  mlindl | 03/28/07
Hate? Just because something doesn't work  mlindl | 03/28/07
Humor-challenged  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Might help  pellini-px2 | 03/28/07
Linux is not easier  megawavez@... | 03/28/07
Each one has its uses  jaime@... | 03/28/07
i use vist and opensuse10.2 on laptop  hilcadia | 03/28/07
Help Ed get MP3/DVD Playback?  TripleII | 03/28/07
Man, I'm sorry to hear that...  heres_johnny | 03/28/07
A Small Fee would help R&D  racintazz@... | 03/28/07
Moved to main level. Adding MP3/DVD, etc  TripleII | 03/28/07
I suspect the BIOS  r_widell | 03/28/07
Highpoint driver for Linux  Goldenarrow2000 | 03/28/07
It's not the driver  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Why is everybody so negative?  daveb40golf | 03/28/07
It's the air around here happy  TtfnJohn | 03/28/07
Interesting, isn't it?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Yeah  Dr_Zinj | 03/29/07
Known by the company you keep  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/28/07
Re: Known by the company you keep  none none | 03/28/07
re: Why is everybody so negative?  jamesdivine | 03/28/07
Re: re: Why is everybody so negative?  none none | 03/28/07
Under the Hood  fore_thought@... | 03/28/07
mandriva 2007 is a better choice for beginners  madhead@... | 03/28/07
MDV 2007 very good  TtfnJohn | 03/28/07
Yes Mandriva is an excellent choice  tracy anne | 03/29/07
Back to Linux for me due to Vista activation  zdnet@... | 03/28/07
Vista  poipu@... | 03/28/07
I dumped MS when WGA hit  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 04/01/07
Hates me also. and my laptop  dhurley@... | 03/28/07
Surprising  TripleII | 03/28/07
You know what they say  MisterMiester | 03/28/07
No Suse Woudl Be a Real Good Option  lostinspace | 03/28/07
In the same boat!  nero60@... | 03/28/07
I'm no linux wizard but...  rmcguire@... | 03/28/07
Windows user attempting Linux  poipu@... | 03/28/07
I suspect that it's Vista  mwiley_z | 03/28/07
Don't feel bad  droiddoc | 03/28/07
Not my experience  viztor | 03/28/07
Yep.  darkmoonman | 03/28/07
Good Point  robert.mitchell@... | 03/28/07
It must work out of the box  webservant2003@... | 03/28/07
Re: It must work out of the box  none none | 03/29/07
It doesn't hate you, it hates all of us evenly.  phatkat | 03/28/07
I don't want to solve problems, though. I want something to work  webservant2003@... | 03/28/07
The problem with that is  sheph@... | 03/28/07
Linux isn't ready for the desktop  torgrot | 03/28/07
Spent several days?  MisterMiester | 03/28/07
Shouldn't have to go on a search just to get the computer to boot!  webservant2003@... | 03/28/07
You've never had to do that for Windows???  sheph@... | 03/28/07
That's not the point  simul8guy | 03/28/07
Actually you missed my point  sheph@... | 03/28/07
Whatever ...  MisterMiester | 03/28/07
Linux Hates Everyone  Duke E. Love | 03/28/07
Hj Mandriva Linux is superb except that it more than 1000% slower  geminipandi@... | 03/28/07
There's always an answer  TripleII | 03/28/07
15 Seconds is a Lifetime for some of us  webservant2003@... | 03/28/07
It take less than a second  TripleII | 03/28/07
Linux Hates You because Your Lazy  eliwap | 03/28/07
A computer should save time not spend it  webservant2003@... | 03/28/07
Then try Linux  Gerry_z | 03/28/07
Windows Can Hate You for the Very Same Reason.  eliwap | 03/28/07
Ubuntu Installed Just Fine...  blackfalconsoftware@... | 03/28/07
What are you doing ED?  DemonX | 03/28/07
Why I did not have problems?  jolumoar | 03/28/07
Why do I not have Problems?  doas777 | 03/28/07
I too use XP in a daily basis  tracy anne | 03/28/07
A lot of talkbacks, but did you read some?  TripleII | 03/28/07
I ditched Suse and installed Ubuntu  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Amarok  TtfnJohn | 03/28/07
Ditch the OS because MP3 doesn't work??  sheph@... | 03/28/07
Because of American laws  tracy anne | 03/28/07
LINUX WAS HACKED  BALTHOR | 03/28/07
because you're using windows wink  zadriann@... | 03/28/07
It is?  Linux User 147560 | 03/28/07
Why all the suggestions for solutions?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/28/07
A person would think they have had to go through it themselves and it isn't  tracy anne | 03/28/07
Re: Why all the suggestions for solutions?  none none | 03/29/07
Drop the RAID  pcassel | 03/28/07
Not using RAID  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
RAID pointless in Linux  pcassel | 03/28/07
What the heck are you smoking?  toadlife | 03/28/07
Ummm  Linux User 147560 | 03/29/07
Really now?  Sabz5150 | 03/30/07
Yeah, Hardware or Drivers Would've Been My Guess.  msspurlock2 | 03/28/07
RAID is a problem with Vista  MisterMiester | 03/28/07
Even more interesting is...  Duke E. Love | 03/28/07
Why do you think this is generic?  dimonic | 03/28/07
It's not an add-in card  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
Try Ubuntu 7  artworks12 | 03/28/07
Running Linux versus installing it...  Linux User 147560 | 03/28/07
Thank you  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/28/07
More the norm than the exception  Gerry_z | 03/28/07
Joe Public?  robert@... | 03/28/07
most of my friends and acquaintances couldn't deal with the installation is  tracy anne | 03/28/07
So true!  TtfnJohn | 03/28/07
I'm grateful too Ed  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 04/01/07
Definitely hardware  Justin Carmichael | 03/28/07
Good for fooling around  robert@... | 03/28/07
What?  robert@... | 03/28/07
Y was MS Windows loaded first??????????????????????????????????????  lfs.1@... | 03/28/07
My problems  BroGnorik | 03/28/07
Not surpised.  kcredden2 | 03/28/07
Check my name  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 04/02/07
Axe the volume manager  lfs.1@... | 03/28/07
Do you really want Linux ?? or are you just trying to make it look bad  blaze1024 | 03/28/07
I'd suggest...  TtfnJohn | 03/28/07
Linux inspires young people to be more then just blind users  blaze1024 | 03/28/07
You are connecting two things that have nothing to do with each other  toadlife | 03/28/07
He did use Windows  blaze1024 | 03/28/07
Ok. So maybe your son isn't so smart?  toadlife | 03/28/07
Most inspiring story of this forum.  miyojim | 04/16/07
hardware compatibility and driver check  blaze1024 | 03/28/07
MS-Linux Deathmatch  amosron@... | 03/28/07
maybe because it doesn't have grub?  tracy anne | 03/28/07
MS shenanigans  wjgrimm | 03/28/07
Backhanded complement of sorts  TtfnJohn | 03/29/07
Use VM instead of dual-boot, always.  miyojim | 04/16/07
Try Mepis  rmbc@... | 03/28/07
A lesson for Linux  zczc2311@... | 03/28/07
SUSE and the HTP370  sheph@... | 03/28/07
Recompile before install?  Rick_R | 03/28/07
MS Shill??  sheph@... | 03/28/07
Yeah, right.  brichter | 03/28/07
Just a thought  sheph@... | 03/29/07
Linux - install a full version of any distro  intrepi@... | 03/28/07
I've seen EXACTLY this problem  aeatwood | 03/28/07
Lots of good suggestions (and lots of useless polemics) ...  George Mitchell | 03/28/07
Try a live CD next time runs from memory  Sloan Miller | 03/28/07
probably the best idea on the thread  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
I installed several distributions of Linux, mostly with no problems.  deserthowler | 03/28/07
Linus doesn't hate you...  Handover Phist | 03/28/07
Ubuntu MP3 Support: Ed, I hope this works!  TripleII | 03/28/07
Oh yeah, Amarok tip  TripleII | 03/28/07
I spent 5 months with Suse 10.1  intj-astral@... | 03/28/07
PC BSD  SikosisZDNet | 03/28/07
what are you smoking?  simul8guy | 03/28/07
Ubuntu 6.06...MEPIS OS  floydmjdonaldson@... | 03/28/07
Why does Linux hate you? I'll tell you...  devhen | 03/28/07
Random Hardware Choice Oh Yeah  rtb | 03/28/07
Partition it the easy way.  thornsif@... | 03/28/07
Linux is GOOD, just NOT for everyone  Cayble | 03/28/07
Simple, use an IDE drive  RJ59 | 03/28/07
Hope the posts paid for your time  TonyMcS | 03/28/07
The community is the reason?  dmx_syspro | 03/28/07
Ed, OS X CARES about you  wjgrimm | 03/28/07
you haven't tried Linux, right?  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
oh, crap  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
Several messages back ...  geezer_geek | 03/28/07
I make a living using my Linux  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
Linux..not ready for joe six pack  psion@... | 03/28/07
I write Linux how-tos for a living  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
Not a UNIX person....  wjgrimm | 03/28/07
tried Debian?  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
Me Too!  rnone | 03/28/07
How old...  brichter | 03/28/07
Its a Toshiba Portege 3480CT  rnone | 03/28/07
HPT370 controller  brichter | 03/28/07
multimedia? You're working too hard  A.Lizard | 03/28/07
Linux, hates?  shorty943@... | 03/28/07
Windows to Linux(Why does Linux Hate me)  rkinkead@... | 03/28/07
The Probelm is that Linux is Free  informationworker | 03/28/07
The Probelm is that Linux is Free  rkinkead@... | 03/28/07
Exactly  informationworker | 03/28/07
Some Do  TripleII | 03/28/07
Ease of use equal?  dmx_syspro | 03/28/07
Exactly..., HATE  casse_couille | 03/29/07
You forgot one thing  MisterMiester | 03/28/07
I don't think that's the problem  informationworker | 03/30/07
Linux motivation  dmx_syspro | 03/29/07
Best of both worlds without expenses.  miyojim | 04/16/07
Simple  Linux User 147560 | 03/29/07
Migrating from Active Directory to LINUX  wolverine@... | 03/28/07
Glad I Didn't Have These Problems  beep.wot | 03/28/07
Try Puppy Linux or PCLinuxOS 2007  Zolar | 03/28/07
PS Use a 3rd party partitioning program if needed  Zolar | 03/28/07
PC-BSD  thornz | 03/28/07
Linux generally lags in driver support  Rick_R | 03/28/07
Forget Ephemeral Polularity - Go Proven  ampdoc | 03/28/07
hate/love  dmx_syspro | 03/28/07
What!?! Drive letters superior? poppycock!  ampdoc | 03/28/07
Hardware, Hardware, Hardware or Drivers?  raptor_1975@... | 03/28/07
Not Always the same motivation - some exclusive  ampdoc | 03/28/07
Very good point  dmx_syspro | 03/28/07
LINUS INSTALL WOES  jack-daniels@... | 03/28/07
Lost my previous comment... Anyways.... Again.  thornz | 03/28/07
Who's Cheerleading for Microsoft?  MisterMiester | 03/28/07
Need for confirmation  dmx_syspro | 03/28/07
Dead presidents, not religion  MisterMiester | 03/29/07
Does MS have competition?  dmx_syspro | 03/29/07
MS Linux  informationworker | 03/30/07
Linux - MS Windows Multiboot  jerryhorvath@... | 03/28/07
You need to LEARN LINUX  tekybeky1 | 03/28/07
Re: Why does Linux hate me?  mikeleitch | 03/29/07
So how long ago did you install a Linux desktop?  tekybeky1 | 03/29/07
Not so long as you think  mikeleitch | 03/29/07
Visually Unattractive  Webmoron99 | 03/29/07
The Truth?  Webmoron99 | 03/29/07
Not sure I buy that  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 03/29/07
Setting up a multiboot systeme is not trivial.  B.O.F.H. | 03/29/07
GNU/Linux, VMWare, several virtual machines.  miyojim | 04/16/07
New to Windows?  dmx_syspro | 08/17/07
Linux does not hate you.  libuseth | 03/29/07
Linux has an HCL  tekybeky1 | 03/29/07
You need to take legal action against Novell for this travesty  jerryleecooper | 03/29/07
You've gotta be taking the p...  FlameFlameFlame | 03/29/07
The linux cannot reliably be employed on modern hardware  jerryleecooper | 03/29/07
RE:L The linux cannot reliably be employed on modern hardware  Linux User 147560 | 03/29/07
OMG! You are a comic genius!  quisp | 03/29/07
Area Man Convinced White Smoke Keeps Computer Running  quisp | 03/29/07
What brand of  sheph@... | 03/29/07
uh, this is satire, right?  A.Lizard | 03/30/07
Mike Cox's replacement 9.9!  Sxooter_z | 03/30/07
Oh funny man!  provnet@... | 01/20/08
LOL Just LOL  jrsharp@... | 01/21/08
RE You need to take legal action against Novell for this travesty  Linux User 147560 | 03/29/07
8.6875 +/- .0001 from Stephen Colbert Tech Support.  osreinstall | 03/29/07
Is it because...?  FlameFlameFlame | 03/29/07
WinXP and Linux quadruple boot.  louis_b@... | 03/29/07
You should take it one step at a time...  area53floor41@... | 03/29/07
The truth is..  antliu@... | 03/29/07
Raid hardware  davidaforshaw@... | 03/29/07
REDHAT  ByeNaryGal | 03/29/07
Issue on particular machine used to market Windows  Web Smart | 03/29/07
Hey Ed ask Adrian or David to do it for you!  jaszman | 03/29/07
I agree with Ed  zandar | 03/29/07
Ed, you can....  IAHawkeye | 03/29/07
Ahhhhh now we see the light  IAHawkeye | 03/29/07
What good are you trying to do?  dmx_syspro | 03/29/07
Just because you pay for it  sheph@... | 03/29/07
Linux doesn't hate anyone  xstep | 03/29/07
RAID Card - I think  jpr75_z | 03/29/07
Should have googled for hpt370 Ubuntu!  dank@... | 03/29/07
Linux for ever  mike-attwood@... | 03/29/07
Windows works, why Linux  mluck | 03/29/07
Fedora and Red Hat are one in the same...  Linux User 147560 | 03/29/07
Linux runs that way too  sheph@... | 03/29/07
TRY KNOPPIX OR FEDORA CORE 6  coopergail@... | 03/29/07
a liveCD is the best way to test for hardware compatibility  A.Lizard | 03/30/07
It's the HD controller!  jjokerst | 03/29/07
Windows is better , but...  nrangelov@... | 03/30/07
some Mandriva, Red Hat ... OK !  arki | 03/30/07
It happens to people regardless of OS...  Leon Wells | 03/30/07
BAH! I am a self taught semi-geek and...  tek_heretik | 03/30/07
Try Sabayon, it's great stuff (NT)  tek_heretik | 03/30/07
Stickin' to Linux supported vendors  markdean | 03/30/07
Your problem explained.  RFleming | 03/30/07
Hmmm, possible.  D-cat | 03/31/07
Sure would love to have that machine  reitsmac@... | 03/30/07
Its a swap partition problem  rwsilva | 03/30/07
Go with UBUNTU  nbc7321@... | 03/30/07
I have ried many LINUX Distros  jayqueue@... | 03/30/07
It's not you, it is linux  progon | 03/30/07
Check out Sabayon Linux  Leon Wells | 03/30/07
Sounds like a nice piece of fiction!!!  stevinp@... | 03/30/07
Linux  rbuckne@... | 03/30/07
need more info  robert.ratliff@... | 03/30/07
easy compatible distros of Linux  04turbomiata | 03/30/07
A Clear Outcome  MasterJoe | 03/30/07
Who said windows is easy to install?  badders46 | 03/30/07
Linux Hatees no one  wuboyblue | 03/30/07
The really funny thing is...  wuboyblue | 03/30/07
Linux does not hate you!  as901 | 03/31/07
Multiple distributions at the same time.  miyojim | 03/31/07
Install Issues  LinuxLover | 03/31/07
Linux Vs Windows.  RobertMoore12@... | 03/31/07
Used the wrong linux  carmoe | 03/31/07
HPT370 and Windows not trouble free  tony@... | 04/01/07
What is the problem?  rhomp2002@... | 04/01/07
why linux hate you?  eddymulyono2007@... | 04/01/07
Lost the point  istari2ve2002@... | 04/02/07
Yeah! Yeah!! Yeah!!!  casse_couille | 04/02/07
Use LILO  wrtt1947 | 04/04/07
Linux is easy to install  msodos | 04/09/07
Try Slackware  pmshah@... | 04/12/07
live distros  archangelrichard | 04/13/07
Linux cool but little use so far  doccpu | 04/13/07
Ed Bott, try virtual machines, must be fun.  miyojim | 04/16/07
RE: Why does Linux hate me?  testr@... | 01/18/08
RE: Why does Linux hate me?  quandary | 07/07/08
You do realize...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/07/08

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