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July 30th, 2007

Hasta la Vista, Nvidia

Posted by Ed Bott @ 10:17 am

Categories: Hardware, Windows Vista

Tags: Desktop, NVidia Corp., Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Ed Bott

If you own an Nvidia display adapter and you run Windows Vista, I have good news and bad news.

The good news? Nvidia has released another update of its drivers for 32–bit and 64–bit Vista. ForceWare Release 162 was posted to Nvidia’s website on July 26.

The bad news? The list of “Open Issues in Version 162.22” (PDF) runs for 10 full pages.

For me, the show-stopper issue is this one:

The display is corrupt or there is no display upon resume from sleep mode. [296199, 295481]

This issue has bit me repeatedly on my main desktop system, which has been running with an Nvidia 7600 GS card for the past few months. After going into sleep mode the system fails to resume; the only solution is a reset. It doesn’t happen every time, but it’s often enough that I have been forced to disable sleep mode on this Nvidia-equipped system. (And it’s not a new bug, either. I’ve found reports of this issue on Nvidia’s own customer support forums back in February, just days after Vista was officially released.)

I had equally exasperating display issues on a Vista machine connected to a high-definition TV. The Media Center interface displayed fine, but switching to the regular desktop resulted in a black screen, and the only solution, ironically, was to hit the power switch to go into sleep mode, then hit it again to resume. And even when the display was working, all four edges of the normal Windows desktop were clipped off, including the taskbar and Start button. That makes it pretty difficult to manage Windows, and it’s a deal breaker for a Media Center machine, which has to just work.

Over the weekend I yanked Nvidia cards out of both systems. On one, I went back to the onboard Intel GMA950 graphics. On the Vista Media Center PC, I installed an ATI Radeon X1300 Pro card with the most recent ATI drivers (Catalyst Version 7.7, released July 19, 2007).

The difference is night and day. Sleep works perfectly again. I can switch effortlessly between Media Center and the Windows desktop on the HDTV, and the full desktop is visible. (ATI’s drivers aren’t bug-free, but the list of known issues with Windows Vista is dramatically shorter – one page, not ten.)

Intel and ATI have managed to produce drivers that reliably work with the power management features in Windows Vista. So why can’t Nvidia? And why was a driver with this bug ever released to the public?

I’m not buying another Nvidia card until the company gets its driver act together, and I’m not recommending Nvidia products for anyone else who plans to use Windows Vista, either.

Ed BottEd Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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About Sleep mode not working proper???
My Question is how long do you have to have a new Vista Computer before losing the use of volume control when computer has been on sleep mode?? Cause I just started mine after on sleep mode and key bo... (Read the rest)
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not just video...  Jim Johnson | 07/30/07
not just video... Part 2  JoseTorr | 07/30/07
Good thing I didn't update my driver...  MWPollard | 07/30/07
Those numbers don't sound right  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/07
Confirmed test score several times  MWPollard | 07/30/07
Ah, dual GPUs...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/07
I'll avoid Nvidia for a while I think  voska | 07/30/07
Avoid Vista  hgh9mrp@... | 07/31/07
I agree  mg156 | 07/31/07
Sorry to hear that...  fr0thy2. | 07/31/07
Vista runs...  jasonp@... | 07/31/07
guy, sleep mode has NEVER worked properly and has always caused problems  Valis Keogh | 07/30/07
sleep has never worked  joedokes | 07/30/07
Re: Sleep mode never worked  Thought1 | 07/30/07
TWO minutes..?  Wolfie2K3 | 07/31/07
I've been using suspend just fine since Win2k, WinXP, and Vista  georgeou | 07/30/07
Onboard sound disappears after sleep mode  aep528 | 07/30/07
That's also a driver issue  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/07
re:  kRogue | 08/08/07
I'm guessing hardware, not drivers  CobraA1 | 07/30/07
But aren't drivers matched to the hardware?  Wolfie2K3 | 07/31/07
its impractical to reinstall a windows system everytime  balsover | 07/31/07
Works great for me  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/30/07
Yeah, but good is sleep mode  xuniL_z | 07/31/07
like the average end user could fix a driver?  balsover | 07/31/07
Who says average user has to?  macoafi | 08/08/07
Source code is not available  macoafi | 08/08/07
About Sleep mode not working proper???  d,duffer@... | 01/11/08
Gee, seems to work on all my machines.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/07
Because you're a biased sample?  CobraA1 | 07/30/07
But...  rapson | 07/31/07
Not Really  DirtyDingus | 07/31/07
Gee, seems to work on all my machines.  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
One might wonder why anyone has problems...  jasonp@... | 07/31/07
works well here  jacec | 07/30/07
hehehe, yeah, perhaps i should have been more specific(nt)  Valis Keogh | 07/30/07
switch to Linux!  Linux Geek | 07/30/07
GREAT! Problem is...  GuyAlanDye | 07/30/07
Not hardly. Nivida on Linux  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/07
The driver may work but  tonymcs@... | 07/30/07
The driver may work but  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
The driver may work but  bmore_bro69@... | 08/01/07
When...10 years ago  mackerel | 07/31/07
When...10 years ago  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
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There's more  macoafi | 08/08/07
RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH  LWEM | 07/30/07
BOOM BAH  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
Mature..? eh..  Wolfie2K3 | 07/31/07
Would love to swith to linux  Snarfiorix | 07/31/07
I bet all that works fine in XP  Maxscunion@... | 07/31/07
ugly person will still be ugly.  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
Skin's elastic, it shrinks back  macoafi | 08/08/07
sick of "Switch to Linux!"  willyu | 07/31/07
Yes, I'd really like to see those same off topic messages blocked  balsover | 07/31/07
Best way to resolve Windows problems  Ole Man | 07/31/07
Out of the frying pan... Into the fire...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/31/07
Getting rid of abuse  Ole Man | 07/31/07
Shut up, OleFool!  M.R. Kennedy | 08/01/07
Keep your foot out of your mouth!  Ole Man | 08/01/07
You don't?  macoafi | 08/08/07
Laptops with Vista  Thought1 | 07/30/07
I solved ALL my hardware and software compatibility issues...  BitTwiddler | 07/30/07
I bought a Mac  rseiler | 07/30/07
Great for you but  soonerproud | 08/23/07
I have this issue too... in Windows XP  ace_logan@... | 07/30/07
I don't use sleep mode and my PC is a desktop. I love Nvidia, which  HypnoToad72 | 07/30/07
Costs  Harry Bardal | 07/30/07
Costs  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
Slack  Harry Bardal | 07/31/07
re: Harry  M.R. Kennedy | 08/01/07
Harry Bardal what you fail to understand is we  SO.CAL Guy | 07/31/07
Cost - Again  Harry Bardal | 07/31/07
Writing Vista Drivers Difficult?  trentreviso | 07/30/07
Yes and no, the problem is  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/07
no, not from scratch  balsover | 07/31/07
Vista completely overhauled graphics  CobraA1 | 07/30/07
LOL, certified.  mg156 | 07/31/07
didn't you jump to a conclusion there?  xuniL_z | 07/31/07
Are you saying the 8 series cards that support directX 10  xuniL_z | 07/31/07
On the other hand..........  Ole Man | 07/30/07
John E isn't around, so...  M.R. Kennedy | 07/30/07
John E isn't around, so...  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
Maturity  M.R. Kennedy | 08/01/07
John E isn't around  Ole Man | 07/31/07
Idiots  M.R. Kennedy | 08/01/07
Yeah, you're just like Alfred E Neuman  Ole Man | 08/01/07
Idiots Redux  M.R. Kennedy | 08/02/07
Use your ladder and binoculars  Ole Man | 08/05/07
Nvidia 10x buggier than ATI?  rseiler | 07/30/07
I'll have to agree  CobraA1 | 07/30/07
Perhaps, but...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/07
Of the two forum friends I know of with Vista,  D. W. Bierbaum | 07/31/07
Non-gamers use high-end cards too  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/07
works well here  jacec | 07/30/07
We're still on XP, no vista for us.  kraterz | 07/30/07
amen  mackerel | 07/31/07
Vista not happening here  wolf421@... | 07/31/07
amen  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
It seems to work fine otherwise  CobraA1 | 07/30/07
Possible solution from Microsoft  goretsky | 07/31/07
I also think its a MS problem.  Been_Done_Before | 07/31/07
Need More of This  marketmaven | 07/31/07
Works Great For Me  PinnacomX | 07/31/07
Vista 8 Months Old  ParrotHeadFL | 07/31/07
8 months to totally rewrite their drivers...  D. W. Bierbaum | 07/31/07
They've had 12 months  ParrotHeadFL | 08/03/07
Vista 8 Months Old  aussieblnd@... | 07/31/07
Works Great For Me  dennisgornall@... | 07/31/07
You have to work hard NOT to be able to increase those  D. W. Bierbaum | 07/31/07
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NVidea GeForce 6200 WinXP drivers fail  erlewis@... | 07/31/07
HotFix on request/Paid Incident/Refund  NoCubes4Me | 07/31/07
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driver problem Nvidia for Dell Lap  dr_ajayan@... | 07/31/07
Stick the boot in!  johnfenjackson@... | 07/31/07
Sleep mode  mustang_z | 07/31/07
You nailed it  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/07
Oh No! Ed Bott having a HARDWARE  Old Timer 8080 | 07/31/07
No mention  KrazyGuy | 07/31/07
NVidia and ATI  Arkyn1 | 07/31/07
You misspelled...  glassangel | 08/03/07
Just another reason why Vista sucks ...  SirCatlord | 08/01/07
2 + 2 = Typical Business Practices  dbisse@... | 08/02/07
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Rutkowska on nVidia nTune at BlackHat2k7...  wti | 08/03/07
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I blamed the "Purple Pill Virus" for my Nvidia Driver_158 I was using DNFd  RobeTirm@... | 08/28/07

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