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August 6th, 2007

Vista scare stories distort the real picture

Posted by Ed Bott @ 4:23 pm

Categories: Windows Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Ed Bott

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Playing the old “I Googled this and got x gazillion pages back” game can be hazardous to the rest of your argument. Today’s case in point comes courtesy of my blogging colleague, friend, and neighbor Marc Orchant, who wrote this chilling headline earlier today:

Vista IE7 issue remains unsolved for many users

The post itself, however, is based on a single anecdote, passed along secondhand. So where’s the evidence that this is a widespread and unsolved problem affecting many users? Marc says only, “Problems like this are all too common and are being widely reported and discussed in the tubes.  Do a search and you’ll see what I mean.”

That’s not exactly the strongest argument, and in the post’s accompanying Talkback thread a commenter asks the obvious question:

Why does this article’s title say “for many users”? This is one guy’s particular experience, and nowhere does he suggest that he has found other people encountering this same problem.

To which Marc replies:

Read my post again.
Do a search in whatever engine you prefer for “Vista IE7 hang”. It’s not me generalizing from one person’s experience. There were, at the time I posted this comment, about 362,000 results for that query. Even reducing that number This is not one person’s issue as I said in my post. This is a pervasive problem affecting many people.

Oh dear. Whenever I try this argument it rarely ends well. Let’s see how it goes today for Marc. I tried Vista IE7 hangs (without quotes) and got 284,000 results. With Vista IE7 hang I got 368,000. (Does this mean the problem has gotten worse in the last six hours?)

Those are pretty damning Google results, right? Uh, maybe not. If that’s the new metric for product quality, there’s a long list of things you’re going to have to stop using before you get around to Windows Vista. Try a few of these searches for yourself:

Vista Firefox hang / Vista firefox hangs – 828,000 – 842,000 results

Safari hang / Safari hangs – 1,640,000 – 1,730,000 results

Ubuntu hang / Ubuntu hangs – 1,020,000 – 1,040,000 results

Tivo hang / Tivo hangs – 1,150,000 results

In fact, maybe the definitive search is this one:

computers hang – 3,520,000 results

At least in my experience, the smarter a device thinks it is, the more likely it is to hang, with or without the help of a browser. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that there’s a widespread problem with IE7. In fact, if you want a firsthand report to balance out the story Marc passes along, here’s my story.

On December 13, 2006, I upgraded my wife’s Dell Inspiron 6400 notebook (Intel Core 2 Duo, 1GB of RAM, 120GB hard drive) from XP Home to Vista Business. It’s been in continuous service ever since. Here’s what the Reliability Monitor looks like for this machine:

Windows Vista Reliability Index for Dell Notebook

That perfect 10 is an accurate reflection of this portable PC’s performance. It’s been rock steady for nearly eight full months, running Outlook 2007 (synced with a Windows Mobile SmartPhone), Word 2007, IE7, and a handful of other programs regularly. I’m the IT guy in this two-person office, and I simply don’t have to worry about this machine. Every other week, Judy asks me to explain some confusing dialog box, but I haven’t had to do anything other than routine maintenance on this system since New Year’s Day. It just works.

Now, I’m not suggesting that these two stories balance each other out or that either one has any significant evidentiary value on the question of Windows Vista’s reliability and performance over a larger sample size. But the two stories do accurately represent two typical buckets of Windows early adopters. Those who tried to retrofit Vista onto older hardware might have mixed results, especially when the target hardware is exotic, like the Toshiba Tablet PC in the example Marc points to. By contrast, if you use well-supported hardware and take the most basic precautions, you can have a nearly perfect experience.

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I bought the Upgrade version of Vista Home Premium and it runs very good on the pc I installed it on. Plus it runs with no problems.
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My favorite is ....  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
It gets worse...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/06/07
you'd better reboot Ed  ursulus | 08/07/07
Bill Gates Hangs  ursulus | 08/07/07
change the search to ... "Ubuntu 7.04 hang(s)"  ruped24 | 08/06/07
Oh Jeez...he' just making a point  fr0thy2. | 08/07/07
Good post. It's fine to bash but there needs to be specifics  georgeou | 08/06/07
Good Point as always from both of you.  fr0thy2. | 08/07/07
You should know you can't boot all linux distro's  intrepi@... | 08/07/07
This works in reverse as well  intrepi@... | 08/08/07
IE7 Problems  croberts | 08/06/07
Did *un*-installing Flash help?  PB_z | 08/06/07
Uninstall + Disable  croberts | 08/07/07
Still a lot of problems with Vista  Ole Man | 08/06/07
Did you even read Ed's article.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
How can that be?  voska | 08/07/07
He is well on the way.(nt)  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
You're right...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
Problem is you have to consider the source.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
I agree totally...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
You claim to run Vista because it came ...  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Not that specific problem...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
Yes, and you are a perfect example  Ole Man | 08/07/07
So how do you explain  xuniL_z | 08/07/07
So how do you explain?  Ole Man | 08/08/07
At least I'm coming from an informed place.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Before dis Linux for its Unix background  alaniane@... | 08/07/07
@ alaniane: Actually...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/07/07
The programmers who wrote C/PM  alaniane@... | 08/07/07
This may come as a shock to you  Ole Man | 08/08/07
One big problem with your theory  Cayble | 08/07/07
What's your take on pet rocks and hula hoops ?  intrepi@... | 08/08/07
He never really does...  fr0thy2. | 08/07/07
This one takes the cake, Ole Man.  xuniL_z | 08/07/07
YOU could take some of your own advice (nt)  mdsmedia | 08/07/07
I would have taken the cake  Ole Man | 08/08/07
The fax is going to be a Vista add on, later on  intrepi@... | 08/08/07
Still a lot of problems with Vista...  NYCGRIFF_z | 09/05/07
Be careful what you wish for  tonymcs@... | 08/06/07
Correction  tonymcs@... | 08/06/07
Good one!  stevesi | 08/06/07
Good try Ed! happy  ruped24 | 08/06/07
Nice try ruped24  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
FALSER  TTGIT Guy | 08/07/07
No, the R is just too close to the E on the keyboard (nt)  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Another Vista bug, maybe?  ruped24 | 08/07/07
The only real bug is your thought process.  fr0thy2. | 08/07/07
As real a Vista bug as many you ...  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Possibly  fayeeyaf2002@... | 08/07/07
ShadeTree Drank the Kool-Aid  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/07/07
Guilty as charged!  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
re:Guilty as charged!  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/07/07
What specific problem are you having ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Check my post on Plug and Play  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/07/07
Drivers for what?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
The problem you describe is most ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
More PnP  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/08/07
RE: more PNP  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
re: More PnP  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/08/07
No problem Michael.  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
re: ShadeTree Drank the Kool-Aid ...  ruped24 | 08/07/07
The flavor oesn't matter!  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
In all fairness, Ed's right... in part  morchant | 08/07/07
Marc, that's not what I said  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Hey Ed...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
Vista is available for a 90 day trial ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
I got it because it came bundled on my laptop...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
That's an advanced step  mds_z | 08/08/07
Anecdotal evidence has value  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Thanks...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
One reason the Google factor is not valid  Confused by religion | 08/07/07
The problem is scale as I see it.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Own experience...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
I have upgraded 3 of the 4 systems I have ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Just one?  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
Read what I said not what you think I said.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Own Experience  SquareBush514 | 08/07/07
I can Name your one-ME  Michael L Hereid Sr | 09/19/07
A few thoughts...  ye | 08/07/07
They should have done better targeting a market  chas_2 | 08/07/07
Market targets and all that stuff  Ben_E | 08/07/07
There recent announcement was ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Oh Jeez ... grow up, and actually read the post and look at George's resp.  fr0thy2. | 08/07/07
Oue's post doesn't offer any solutions to the problem...  ruped24 | 08/07/07
Have you experienced the problem?  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
IE7  yagijd | 08/07/07
You are!  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Not necessarily  alaniane@... | 08/07/07
IE7 problems... are real and not the only ones  jrojas@... | 08/07/07
Not the real problem  Chad_z | 08/07/07
I'm 99% Ubuntu, never used Vista, dual-boot XP  mdsmedia | 08/07/07
Finally some common sense  MisterGilles | 08/07/07
Thank you!  DonBurnett | 08/07/07
you want 'fair and balance'? ...  ruped24 | 08/07/07
You forgot a couple  Chad_z | 08/07/07
It is avowed ...  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Just balances the bias from the other side  mdsmedia | 08/07/07
Not at all!  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Yes, thankfully.  xuniL_z | 08/07/07
Yes, just what we need  Ole Man | 08/07/07
Yes, and let's not forget we already  xuniL_z | 08/07/07
Better to be an "old fool"  Ole Man | 08/08/07
I own an Acer notebook system...  chas_2 | 08/07/07
actually...  bmerc | 08/07/07
bush hangs  clareJ | 08/07/07
Google searches  danm50 | 08/07/07
Uh, no  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Actually, uh, maybe  mds_z | 08/08/07
Nitpicking  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/08/07
How so?  mds_z | 08/09/07
Reread the original comment, please  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/07
I did read it...  mds_z | 08/10/07
You're still not getting it  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/10/07
I get it...  mds_z | 08/17/07
Ed, et al  jacarter3 | 08/07/07
I've had problems with IE7  James A Bailey | 08/07/07
Not possible  bmerc | 08/07/07
8/1 - 8/13  James A Bailey | 08/13/07
Wrong question entirely...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
Your personal experience is no more ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Personal experience  bmerc | 08/07/07
Perhaps I should of phrased it better.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
"Perhaps I should of phrased it better"  Ole Man | 08/08/07
I am not a journalist ....  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
That much is obvious  Ole Man | 08/08/07
Oh really?  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
Vista On Old Equipment  Joe Donovan | 08/07/07
It is the avowed ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Sorry!  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
5 Year Old PC  kmatzen@... | 08/07/07
vista works fine  ericsami | 08/07/07
Vista is unstable period!  Ken.Levi@... | 08/07/07
Yes, it does.  ye | 08/07/07
Vista problems  ejoconn | 08/07/07
Depends on Retail Version vs. Pre-Installed  chas_2 | 08/07/07
There is no difference in the OS between ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
vista works fine  CraiGrrr | 08/07/07
Works fine with what ?  intrepi@... | 08/08/07
Another personal assessment of Vista  cd003284@... | 08/07/07
Just wait...  jasonp@... | 08/07/07
Just to be clear.  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
Huh?  cd003284@... | 08/08/07
My reply was to jasonP.  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
Better idea! Better still!  Ole Man | 08/08/07
There are plenty of people that are ...  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
I can see what is on this thread  Ole Man | 08/08/07
You're such a joke!  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
Linux, not yet...  cd003284@... | 08/08/07
You're a PC tech...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
RE:You're a PC tech...  ruped24 | 08/07/07
Gianfranco Lanci has to answer ...  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
my response is  notsofast | 08/07/07
Response to Ed Bott  cd003284@... | 08/07/07
I repeat...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Transactional Analysis  cd003284@... | 08/07/07
don't waste your time...  bmerc | 08/07/07
What's not to get?  bmerc | 08/07/07
Vista Install Error Error Code 0x80070241  cd003284@... | 08/07/07
Ironically...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Please provide a list of the "stuff" that worked  xuniL_z | 08/07/07
Thanks, xuniL_z.  cd003284@... | 08/08/07
Please provide a list  Ole Man | 08/08/07
Did the Vista Upgrade Advisor tell you there would be problems?  PB_z | 08/07/07
The Vista Upgrade Advisor  cd003284@... | 08/08/07
Thanks MS  bcesan | 08/07/07
Vista and Plug and Play  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/07/07
How PnP works  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Tell me more!  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/07/07
Reply got eaten  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Something is wrong...  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/08/07
Vista Stories?  dkunzman@... | 08/07/07
"slightly upgraded"  Ole Man | 08/07/07
Try to Google "vista sucks"  MyHorseIsBetter | 08/07/07
I'm hung  DSchrute | 08/07/07
heh heh heh  chas_2 | 08/07/07
I didn't think that  Shelendrea | 08/07/07
The truth is in between  chas_2 | 08/07/07
Solutions  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Follow-up comments  chas_2 | 08/07/07
Can't see the forest for the trees  Ole Man | 08/07/07
"only cost a post-rebate $300"  Ole Man | 08/07/07
Google bull shi*  Richard Urban | 08/07/07
Wrong  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/07/07
Not in my book  Richard Urban | 08/07/07
Well, since you want a more accurate search  Ole Man | 08/07/07
irrelevant  bmerc | 08/07/07
You are living in Microsoft's dream world  Ole Man | 08/08/07
Better search  Bob.Kerns | 08/12/07
Don't follow you Ed on this one  pobstar1@... | 08/07/07
everybody!  steve@... | 08/07/07
Vista  A+Tech | 08/07/07
My Vista experience  Mitch 74 | 08/07/07
Reasonable Reliability  RonBeyer | 08/07/07
blogger vs. blogger  rad1956 | 08/07/07
Vista is a major OS upgrade - and very stable  jcharris | 08/07/07
vista cures cancer...  RocketEater | 08/07/07
Pro Vista  StillLearnin | 08/07/07
OH, Toshiba Tablet PC?  orcmid | 08/07/07
Put it on mine  dholm@... | 08/07/07
Vista Business is Not Vista Premium  intrepi@... | 08/07/07
I figured it out!  Michael Of Atlanta | 08/07/07
I work for one of the top three ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/07
I am upgrading to XP from Vista  phamiltonsmith | 08/07/07
Maybe the Vista scare stories aren't a distortion...  IBKrusty | 08/07/07
Vista drove me to MAC  wildavid@... | 08/07/07
Vista Scare Stories  ctsheehy@... | 08/07/07
False! This is a Vista worship story  Ole Man | 08/08/07
Seek and ye shall find... what?  cquirke | 08/08/07
So your argument is...  doas777 | 08/08/07
Are you serious???  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/08/07
the Unix base  mswift@... | 08/08/07
vista's great  thinklady | 08/08/07
truset words at the end of the article  chrome_slinky@... | 08/08/07
Vista Scare Stories?  gregmorgan@... | 08/08/07
Huh?  genkuro | 08/08/07
How different is this from every other version of windows  rtb | 08/08/07
Nothing is ever different  Ole Man | 08/08/07
osx hang - yep  klynch_gdd@... | 08/09/07
think again  cerebratejim | 08/10/07

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