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August 20th, 2007

No more Vista whining, please

Posted by Ed Bott @ 5:49 am

Categories: Windows Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Ed Bott

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[See my follow-up post: We need less whining, more complaining about Vista]

Over the weekend I received three e-mails and one online request for comment on outgoing PC Magazine editor Jim Louderback’s farewell column, in which he trashes Vista on the way out the door:

The upshot is that even after nine months, Vista just ain’t cutting it. I definitely gave Microsoft too much of a free pass on this operating system: I expected it to get the kinks worked out more quickly. Boy, was I fooled! If Microsoft can’t get Vista working, I might just do the unthinkable: I might move to Linux.

It’s the usual mishmash of Windows whining. Sleep doesn’t work. Network settings are too complicated. I’m having problems with my network. Whaa whaa whaa whaaaaaaaaa.

So what’s the problem? Well, I’ve divined a few clues from Jim’s column:

“The brand-new dual-core system I built a few months ago…”

“…hours tweaking and optimizing it…”

“strange and nonreproducible system quirks”

To understand why I’m unimpressed with yet another anecdotal review, realize that Jim’s talking about a homebuilt system put together out of bleeding-edge parts (with a motherboard “designed to help overclockers tweak the most performance possible out of their components”) as documented in this April story in ExtremeTech. My experience says that there’s nearly a 1:1 correspondence between those who try too hard to build the ultimate system and those who complain when it doesn’t work. There’s a reason they call it the bleeding edge.

I also groan, deeply, when I read about all those “tweaks and optimizations.” You shouldn’t need to spend hours tweaking any computer, regardless of operating system, to get it working properly. In fact, any time I hear some self-professed expert talk about how much time they spent on tweaks, I brace myself for the complaints.

Oddly enough, back in April, when Jim first wrote about his experience building this system, he loved it:

I love my new system. It’s fast, and surprisingly—with three fans and a power supply—really quiet…. It’s also over 5.0 on Vista’s performance index—an imperfect tool, but it makes me feel good anyway. ATI’s catalyst drivers are still uneven, but I’m driving two monitors and both work great. … [F]or now I’m happy. It sure took a while, but I learned a lot, and I ended up with a great new system that’ll last me a long, long time.

I guess “a long, long time” is four months.

In fact, just last March Jim loved Vista, too, and he was ready to wait until October or even December for Microsoft to fix the exact same annoyances that have suddenly become unacceptable:

I’ve been using the shipping version of Vista for about three months, and although I’m impressed overall, it’s still full of nagging annoyances.

[Whine about sleep, whine about networking, whine about video drivers, whaa, whaa, whaaaaaa]

Still, despite the problems, I do love Vista. It’s absolutely the wave of the future. …

So please, Steve [Ballmer], reconsider a first service pack. It doesn’t have to offer much more than your aggregated fixes. But do deliver it by October. You played the Grinch last year, delaying Vista and stealing Christmas. This year, you can play Rudolph and save the holidays with a shiny new service pack. That way, by December most of these problems, like my old Civic, will become just fond memories.

Now, call me old school, but I always thought one of the perks of being editor of a big national computer magazine was being able to get personal support from Microsoft, and more importantly, being able to pass along what you learn to your readers. Hey, he might even have tried installing these two hotfixes, which were released two weeks before his Vista rant was published and have reportedly solved performance and compatibility issues (especially sleep-related issues) for lots of people.

And of course, this is the same guy who said:

I’m so paranoid about bots that I recently rebuilt one of my home machines because it was exhibiting strange symptoms, including weird hard drive accesses and slower-than-normal operation. This could have been caused by many things, but I was just suspicious enough to reimage the hard drive.

Hooooooooo-kay. Fine troubleshooting there, Jimbo. You’re the frickin’ editor of PC Magazine and you don’t know how to secure your own system or scan it for malware? Pathetic. (And don’t miss the part in that March story where Jim explains why he doesn’t need to use encryption on his wireless network. Yikes!)

Lessons learned:

All anecdotes are equal, but some are more equal than others. The Vista system I’m working on right now sleeps and resumes perfectly, It’s a model network citizen. It doesn’t crash. I’ve been amazingly productive with it. I have two notebooks and three more desktop systems working equally well, and I could introduce you to friends and neighbors who tell nearly identical stories. You won’t read any of those Vista success stories on Slashdot or Digg, though, because they don’t fit into the accepted narrative.

Vista-bashing is the ticket to online success. I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: I could literally double my income if I went into the Vista-bashing business. Want to guess how many times Jim Louderback’s writing was featured on Slashdot in the last four years? Only once, until he pushed the “Vista sucks” button.

The new standard of success for Windows Vista is absolute perfection. Any problems that occur, regardless of whether they’re actually caused by a lack of drivers, by faulty hardware, by incompatible software, or by counterproductive “optimizations,” are Windows Vista’s fault. No, Vista is not perfect, but issues are inevitable when dealing with millions of combinations of components in the Windows ecosystem. If perfection is your standard, you should not build your own PC, and you should definitely not run Windows Vista on it.

I can’t wait to read Jim’s account of his experiences switching to Linux. It should be pure comedy gold.

Ed BottEd Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: No more Vista whining, please
"Exactly. So why is it there are so many hundreds trying as hard as possible to make everyone else consider only Microsoft products?"

Because no one with any clue wants $soft to wangle their ne... (Read the rest)
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True dat!  ShadeTree | 08/20/07
Poor, poor, Ed  deMonstris | 08/20/07
PC Mag will be lucky to be in business this time next year  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
That would be too bad  jorjitop | 08/20/07
No, they're in financial trouble  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
OT All tech press is sliding down the slippery slope  kbaily05@... | 08/20/07
It's not just "tech press" it's "publications" in general  Laff | 08/21/07
I use to love hard copy  devlin_X | 08/21/07
You forgot the real kicker  rtk | 08/24/07
BYTE was trash  balsover | 08/23/07
Why Vista War?  lmenningen | 08/20/07
Amen  rapson | 08/20/07
What the heck is an "eternal life value"?  Laff | 08/21/07
where did you see someone  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
I was giving an "example" not about he going on and on  Laff | 08/21/07
still don't understand why  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
I think I was trying to say......  Laff | 08/22/07
Jesus want's his spirit back.  nomorems | 08/21/07
Being a good man...not difficult to know.  Laff | 08/21/07
Of course it's not difficult to know  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
I come down to two schools of thought....  Laff | 08/22/07
Sorry Jim..  xuniL_z | 08/22/07
As I am sorry for you as well....  Laff | 08/22/07
How did I get pulled into this?  xuniL_z | 08/22/07
My bad....I should have said "someone elses faith"  Laff | 08/23/07
You're quite right - it just doen't matter  jacarter3 | 08/20/07
Here is why VISTA has been trashed  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Nah, that's not why  voska | 08/20/07
You are talking about  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Nah, he is talking about ...  Solid Water | 08/20/07
The editor of PC mag is not a novice  John Zern | 08/20/07
Absolutely  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Correction: Million instead of billion...of course  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Get over the "Vast Mac Wing Conspiracy" thing Hillary..:)  Laff | 08/21/07
Laff baby.....come on.  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
I was talking about my computer performance not mine  Laff | 08/21/07
I see  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
Ooops, time to take off those Microsoft glasses!  nomorems | 08/21/07
Message has been deleted.  nomorems | 08/21/07
this is wrong statement  AG_z | 08/20/07
You are correct.  nomorems | 08/21/07
Two points  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/20/07
Good points  IMS_Scott | 08/20/07
re: Two points  CobraA1 | 08/20/07
Support tools  norb@... | 08/20/07
Hear, Hear  DannyO_0x98 | 08/20/07
Spot on! (n/t)  elinorH | 08/21/07
On Perfection  voska | 08/20/07
Damn, We're in a tough spot boys, people liked the last version  DannyO_0x98 | 08/20/07
bla bla bla  balsover | 08/23/07
Rubbish!  Jeremy W | 08/21/07
You're absolutely right - no more whining  ejhonda | 08/20/07
Good Choice EJHonda  bearlyworking | 08/20/07
Just Shut Up & Love It  bmgoodman | 08/20/07
Swallow herbs of bad sort  linux_is_next | 08/20/07
Wow, that sounds awfully familar...  Sabz5150 | 08/20/07
And I'm having none of those problems on either OS  Michael Kelly | 08/20/07
This isn't an OEM system  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Agreed, in this case  Michael Kelly | 08/20/07
It's possible to complain without whining  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Your guesses...  jasonp@... | 08/20/07
Troubleshooting 101  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Yes...  jasonp@... | 08/20/07
Ed, quit whining that Microsoft is not getting everyone's money.  nomorems | 08/21/07
It's the point of the matter  Sabz5150 | 08/20/07
No, on the contrary  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Because he's annoyed  Sabz5150 | 08/20/07
I write about Microsoft  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
He wrote a one page...  msalzberg | 08/20/07
Once again, I see Ed just cannot shut up and stop  jacarter3 | 08/20/07
This the second time you posted this in this blog. You shut up.  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Shove a carrot in your ear.  nomorems | 08/21/07
No, I won't! Not until Ed stops beating the dead horse - so too bad [nt]  jacarter3 | 08/20/07
Ok.  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Message has been deleted.  nomorems | 08/21/07
So...  zkiwi | 08/20/07
You being the biggest of the bunch  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Well...  zkiwi | 08/20/07
well  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
No  zkiwi | 08/20/07
umm hmmm.  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
So  zkiwi | 08/22/07
zkiwi....  xuniL_z | 08/22/07
i take that as a yes  xuniL_z | 08/23/07
And you have the smallest of the bunch!  nomorems | 08/21/07
Microsoft Cheerleading  dilbert@... | 08/20/07
That would be George Ou  MarcB_z | 08/20/07
It's the ZDNet way  Richard Flude | 08/20/07
Black sheep not allowed!  whisperycat | 08/20/07
Uh, no  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Uh, Yes.  nomorems | 08/21/07
Great chance to prove you are not full  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Stay on track  whisperycat | 08/22/07
devoid  xuniL_z | 08/22/07
Why gripe.  Anton Philidor | 08/20/07
It's the truth - Vista is a POS  ITGuy04 | 08/20/07
Expectations  Anton Philidor | 08/20/07
OMG  GreatWhite | 08/20/07
sheesh...  magpie_z | 08/20/07
Nice call.  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
Stop you're own whining and flamming, Ed  super_J | 08/20/07
Sorry, you've just lost your credibility when it comes to grammar.  Grayson Peddie | 08/20/07
grammar smack is lame  super_J | 08/20/07
Grey man, I thought you were better than that!  nomorems | 08/21/07
Bottom line...  Solid Water | 08/20/07
Gimme A V!  noisecraft | 08/20/07
Translation  John L. Ries | 08/20/07
Ed, you are a bot.  nomorems | 08/20/07
I have to agree . . .  CobraA1 | 08/20/07
Re: I have to agree . . .  joopbraak | 01/23/08
Vista  VinnyD | 08/20/07
Jim is a fake and a flake -- see example why  ChazzMatt | 08/20/07
more  ChazzMatt | 08/20/07
I think the real point is that people today are 64% more stupid ...  nomorems | 08/21/07
Wow!  joe6pack_z | 08/20/07
Building Your Own System  thetsart@... | 08/20/07
Incompatibilities, interactions  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
You all need drug testing if you think vista is great  edomejn | 08/20/07
Hmmm ...  mwagner@... | 08/20/07
If you've been in IT for 27+ years you are about to lose your job!  nomorems | 08/21/07
The new standard...  gfeier | 08/20/07
Certainly MacOSX and Windows Vista ...  mwagner@... | 08/20/07
Fresh Air  dennisgornall@... | 08/20/07
I liked the piece Ed!  mwagner@... | 08/20/07
Does this mean...  John L. Ries | 08/20/07
mwagner - you just earned a 5% commission from Microsoft!  nomorems | 08/21/07
Now I know why I dont read PC magazine  otaddy | 08/20/07
Not to mention Extremetech  dmoisan@... | 08/20/07
Too true  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
OK - So it took an article about a Mag you don't read to tell you why??  nomorems | 08/21/07
Ed-Vista makes the Patriot Act seem libertarian  jdubow@... | 08/20/07
It's tinfoil hat time  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Ed-I hope you are right- please advise  jdubow@... | 08/20/07
Relax  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
I have just the thing for you...  magpie_z | 08/20/07
Vista  linux_is_next | 08/20/07
With grammar mistakes such as yours..  magpie_z | 08/20/07
Message has been deleted.  nomorems | 08/21/07
Ed Bott -- Unpaid PR Hack For MS  TtfnJohn | 08/20/07
Come On Ed, You Know Vista Is A Dud!  chessmen | 08/20/07
Exactly! I guess these silly writers don't know that readers CAN think!  nomorems | 08/21/07
Message has been deleted.  big.jim@... | 08/20/07
I agree with Ed ...  ruped24 | 08/20/07
Bye bye Vista and your column  tBuggR | 08/20/07
Good for you  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/20/07
Whine about whine.. interesting butttttt...  Been_Done_Before | 08/20/07
My biggest complaint  zmud | 08/20/07
Run... menu command  Grayson Peddie | 08/20/07
And how many clicks does that take?  zmud | 08/21/07
Greyhead wrote:  nomorems | 08/21/07
Vista whining  Macktownjoe | 08/20/07
Service Pack for Seven and Service Pack for...  Grayson Peddie | 08/20/07
Vista ROCKS  frj111@... | 08/20/07
And continue collecting the chits from MS.  nomorems | 08/21/07
Here's the problem  TucsonGuy | 08/21/07
Your choice  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/21/07
Um...Loser!  nomorems | 08/21/07
Um..try again Ed....  devlin_X | 08/21/07
Ed please a real reason  SamCPP | 01/10/08
You don't overly like this guy do you? (n/t)  elinorH | 08/21/07
Less whining Comes from more Action  bobmatch@... | 08/21/07
Whining is fun  rickhal | 08/21/07
Vista problems extend beyond this example  afhavemann@... | 08/21/07
Wow! Great Post!  chessmen | 08/21/07
Quit y'er whining...  MacCanuck | 08/21/07
Forgot one...  MacCanuck | 08/21/07
Wow...  JDThompson | 08/21/07
Legitimate complaints == whining  henklaak | 08/21/07
Is this another Whiner article about someone whining about Vista?  JoeysLapTop | 08/21/07
The magazine publishing biz.  devlin_X | 08/21/07
If everybody stopped whining about Vista  Ole Man | 08/21/07
Bad drivers  Chiatzu | 08/22/07
Tired of Ed Cheerleading VISTA  SimEngie | 08/22/07
Gee, ahhhhhhh..  Jeremy W | 08/22/07
You got it, kiddo  Ole Man | 08/27/07
did you try  xuniL_z | 08/23/07
Vista - Step Child of WinME  joep1701 | 08/22/07
Yes, old people hate change.  balsover | 08/23/07
Old folks want quality - not quantity  joep1701 | 08/23/07
Old people don't like wading around  Ole Man | 08/27/07
Real Vista Comparisons Needed  jonmca | 08/24/07
Because the Pros Know - Vista is ME Redux  mikerey | 08/26/07
Because Microsoft has more money than anyone else  Ole Man | 08/27/07
Some of us WORK with comupters Ed  johnugotmail@... | 08/25/07
OK - fine for Home but Business, NO  mikerey | 08/26/07
RE: No more Vista whining, please  SamCPP | 01/10/08
Oh almost forgot - Start Menu  SamCPP | 01/10/08
AMEN!  nasalnerd@... | 01/10/08
RE: No more Vista whining, please  gabbo@... | 09/06/08
RE: No more Vista whining, please  gabbo@... | 09/06/08

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