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September 16th, 2007

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)

Posted by Ed Bott @ 4:29 pm

Categories: Digital media, Windows Vista

Tags: Monitor, Digital-rights Management, Driver, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Video, Microsoft Corp., FUDmaster, Peter Gutmann, Ed Bott

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Last month, I wrote about the FUD surrounding Windows Vista and DRM. The FUDmaster is Peter Gutmann, a New Zealand researcher who wrote a paper last December that made a series of outrageous and inflammatory claims about Windows Vista. Since then, Gutmann has expanded the paper to more than four times its original size. The current version available on Gutmann’s website clocks in at more than 26,000 words, making it longer than some recent works of fiction.

And length isn’t the only thing Gutmann’s paper has in common with the average pulp novel. Gutmann’s work is riddled with factual errors, mistaken assumptions and unproven assertions, distortions, contradictions, misquotes, and outright untruths. In short, it’s a work of fiction all on its own.

Gutmann is a clever writer, and he’s able to string together nouns, verbs, technical terms, and acronyms in ways that sound persuasive. In this three-part series (look for Part 2 and Part 3 later this week), I’m going to dig deep into Gutmann’s work and show you just where he got it wrong.

I’ve been working on this story for months. Part of the problem is that Gutmann’s paper is a rambling, sloppy, disorganized mess, and nine months of additions have made it even more difficult to pick out the serious arguments from the scare stories and snark. Gutmann’s favorite technique is to string together anecdotes he’s plucked from magazines and websites, juxtapose those stories with sentences from presentations by Microsoft engineers and developers, and then speculate on the implications, often with wildly incorrect results. And worst of all, Gutmann appears to believe everything he reads—as long as he can fit it into his anti-Microsoft world view.

The other part of the problem is Gutmann’s lack of hands-on experience with modern consumer electronics gear and with Windows Vista itself, which shows in nearly every sentence he writes. I’ve done extensive hands-on testing and have personally seen Vista do things that Gutmann says are impossible. Rather than write 26,000 words of my own, I’m going to pick out more than a dozen substantive errors in Gutmann’s piece and explain why they’re wrong.

With that introduction out of the way, let’s get started.

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I said more than that.
As for Piratebay in an argument, you lost all creditbility to even consider them. No illegal activity is to be considered because they take things that don't belong to them. The rest of your viewpoint is nothing but a rant.

You people always miss this point.... (Read the rest)
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Large screen Samsug question  shoktai@... | 09/16/07
Two Samsung monitors  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Monitor upgrades: just another cost of Vista  pyrr | 09/18/07
(addendum)  pyrr | 09/18/07
Look at the picture  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
The bigger picture...  pyrr | 09/18/07
Nothing is "force-obsoleted"  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/26/07
While Peter was wrong about the DVI HDCP support...  mrOSX | 09/19/07
Sorry Ed  On Site PC | 10/10/07
Huh?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Irrelevant  Spiritusindomit@... | 11/01/07
Should small projects pay $230 for a certificate too?  AySz88 | 09/16/07
It's a one time signing certificate for unlimited code signing  georgeou | 09/16/07
Certificates are a very bad idea  shoktai@... | 09/17/07
Certificates are a good idea  oldsysprog | 09/17/07
Correction noted, post updated  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Certificates can be extremely BAD  tony@... | 09/17/07
Time Stamping the Signature Solves the Issue  jrussel21 | 09/17/07
Yes they are...  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
WHQL tests are done by OEMs, but they are hard to fake and OEMs get audited  Duncan_Bloome | 09/17/07
$230 for a certificate too? Readme for Geore OU.  shoktai@... | 09/17/07
it is not a one time cost, it is a yearly cost.  mrOSX | 09/17/07
It's the hastle  TripleII | 09/17/07
No matter what MS does you'll find a reason to dislike them.  ye | 09/17/07
You wouldn't find that tedious?  TripleII | 09/17/07
There's a test signing mode for developers  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
See ye...  TripleII | 09/17/07
Only applies to Kernel Mode Drivers?  Patanjali | 09/17/07
You don't know yet you still fault.  ye | 09/17/07
LOL, Ed is the source.  TripleII | 09/17/07
@triplell  rtk | 09/17/07
@rtk  TripleII | 09/17/07
Ad hominem noted.  ye | 09/17/07
You can sign your code for no cost, people  Nunya Bidnez | 11/01/07
And that is what debian does  Jxn | 09/29/07
Why Mandatory Certificates are a Bad Idea  cyberscan | 09/17/07
bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS  ye | 09/17/07
Nope not bcdedit  oldsysprog | 09/17/07
Everything I've read indicates it works on RTM as well.  ye | 09/17/07
Right, what's that, like 1 new iPod.  pmcgrath@... | 09/17/07
Sorry, should be $20/month.  pmcgrath@... | 09/20/07
$300 doesn't sound unreasonable  A.Sinic | 09/21/07
Agreed  chuck@... | 10/04/07
This is called controlling competition  knowledgefreak | 10/10/07
DRM is plain bad (and stupid)  Mectron | 09/16/07
DRM is not illegal  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
DRM can illegally stop the "First Sale Doctrine"  dragosani | 09/17/07
well stated  rcronau@... | 09/17/07
not so fast  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
That lawsuit had nothing to do with reselling  dragosani | 09/17/07
guess again  lucky 13 | 09/18/07
I don't have to  dragosani | 09/19/07
not even CLOSE to "the same thing"  dlmeyer@... | 09/19/07
Re: DRM is not illegal  none none | 09/17/07
don't blame me if you're the one refusing rational debate  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
/me whistles theme from the twilight zone [NA]  none none | 09/17/07
perfect  lucky 13 | 09/18/07
The heart of the matter  Absolutely | 09/18/07
Too bad its all Hot Air  Relorian@... | 09/17/07
oh boo hoo  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
DRM by definition is illegal Period  Mectron | 09/17/07
your behavior is illegal, drm isn't  lucky 13 | 09/18/07
This is silly  A.Sinic | 09/21/07
I never took an American civics class in my life.  Ole Man | 10/04/07
Are you sure we can include print and music with software?  On Site PC | 10/11/07
wrong  penile@... | 09/17/07
Yep, you are wrong  dragosani | 09/17/07
"Terms to buyer" may not always be legal  MisterRon | 09/17/07
what  penile@... | 09/19/07
Good analogy  Absolutely | 10/01/07
DRM=illegal  laura.b | 09/17/07
DRM stops others using your bank account  Patanjali | 09/17/07
DRM stops you transferring money among your own bank accounts.  Absolutely | 09/18/07
DRM is wrong approach  blarman_z | 10/04/07
BULLETIN - Microsoft loses appeal against EU antitrust ruling  Intellihence | 09/17/07
And that has what to do with this article?  James T. Kirk | 09/17/07
actually, it's got everything to do with it  bmerc | 09/17/07
Yes......that has to be it  aemc | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  mrOSX | 09/17/07
As long as  Qbt | 09/17/07
My issue is he is beating a dead horse...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
We understand  Qbt | 09/17/07
You should read Peter's articles closer...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Looks to me like...  bmerc | 09/17/07
I like it....  mrOSX | 09/17/07
re: "When people stop linking to the fudicle..."  Absolutely | 09/18/07
Its not Apple friendly FUD  Chippolus | 09/17/07
What makes you jump to the conclusion Iam an...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Reality Check  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
Ok I am confused...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Sigh... try to lower your reality shield...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
First off...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
That's a good laugh for the day...  MacCanuck | 09/17/07
Was funnier in color...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Um, you're username is "mrOSX"  laura.b | 09/17/07
RE: As long as ...  GreyGeek | 09/17/07
Nice Response...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Don't want Vista to become Apple  TucsonGuy | 09/17/07
Well my iPod works with Linux...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Why? Apple was within their rights.  ITGuy04 | 09/17/07
Polling?  A.Sinic | 09/21/07
Junk mail  Ole Man | 10/04/07
Microsoft Zealot  bmw@... | 09/17/07
Err.. ya  MongoMe | 09/17/07
Gutmann - who is he?  srobtjones@... | 09/17/07
Well this started with Peter Gutmann's paper as response to...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
And...  Spiritusindomit@... | 11/01/07
people jump them for it?..... Duck!  Ole Man | 11/01/07
Basically a dumb-!!! ...with an agenda  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
Almost nothing  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
nothing you write about gutmann is true  stevey_d | 09/17/07
You have a wrong point  ITGuy04 | 09/17/07
I agree with that statement 100%  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Talk about agendas....  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
His favorite flavor of crap... Bullcrap!  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Where do you get the idea I am an Apple fanboy....  mrOSX | 09/17/07
That'a ashame,  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
You can't post here.  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Huh?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
360 Component only?  breeder@... | 09/17/07
That's only in new Xbox models  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Refresher course:  ITGuy04 | 09/17/07
Wrong post  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  Office Mole | 09/17/07
What you're say is irrelavent.  DemonX | 09/17/07
DemonXlax No like  Chippolus | 09/17/07
poor comprehension  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
Hollywhat?  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
Guess what? I am under an NDA now...  Old Timer 8080 | 09/17/07
Loosen the tinfoil  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Yep, an Ex-CRAY DEVELOPMENT Employee  Old Timer 8080 | 09/17/07
ex-cray, current-nut  rtk | 09/17/07
How to read a Bott or Ou story automatically  nighthawk808 | 09/17/07
At least use valid code  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
This is C++, not C#  jensfiederer | 09/17/07
jensfiederer is correct.  nighthawk808 | 09/17/07
Thanks for giving me the correct perspective  Old Timer 8080 | 09/17/07
Always glad to help.  nighthawk808 | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  jhavins@... | 09/17/07
Exactly  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
What exactly were[ you thinking?  canon_man | 09/17/07
Not personal attacks  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Not a personal attack ????  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Nope  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
Attaching the word FUDMaster after his name  mrOSX | 09/17/07
He didn't say he's ugly or a moron.  Furiousrog | 09/17/07
Bzzt. Wrong guess again...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
nope  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
nominated ... himself?  Absolutely | 10/01/07
that's a question you should ask Gutmann  rtk | 09/17/07
While Gutmann's paper may not be 100% accurate...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
what are you trying to say?  rtk | 09/17/07
Well I think he as more than a couple of facts...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Excellent news!  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Well give me sometime here to put together links  mrOSX | 09/17/07
mrOSX: Times up. Where are your facts?  ye | 09/18/07
How do you know?  ye | 09/17/07
His interpretation of the quotes was wrong  NonZealot | 09/17/07
No one of George's complaints was about  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Go complain on George's post  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Well it is pretty tough to test something that  mrOSX | 09/18/07
are you saying that AES takes less CPU cycles on a Core Duo  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Go check your facts, please  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
released in 2006 but was it the most common CPU then?  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Iam surprised Apple is not going after AACS...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
is mrOSX a new apple fanboy troll sure reads like one (NT)  SO.CAL Guy | 09/17/07
I dont think he is an Apple Fanboy just because...  mrlinux | 09/17/07
That didnt take long to change the picture.  mrOSX | 09/19/07
Shill'n'FUD  whisperycat | 09/17/07
Anti-Gutmann, not Pro-MS  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
Is Bott a M$-Bot, or Bott That's Been Bought?  i2fun@... | 09/17/07
Nice post, mr jobs. (nt)  rtk | 09/17/07
That's a lotta Bott  Ole Man | 09/17/07
2500 words and counting in a irrelevant article...  clodhoppers18@... | 09/17/07
Guttman Is Right, Vista is a Failure  chessmen | 09/17/07
And your evidence is...?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
RE: And your evidence is...?  Tracer76 | 09/17/07
nonsense  rtk | 09/17/07
The Truth  Tracer76 | 09/18/07
way off base.  rtk | 09/18/07
wanna buy a clue?  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
Vista at least a sidegrade  comp_indiana | 09/17/07
It also causes diahhrea.  Chippolus | 09/17/07
In answer to your question...  comp_indiana | 09/17/07
Copied from Parc before that...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Vista costs are not high - unless you are investing in HD components  csmith@... | 09/17/07
Losing control of our computers, one step at a time  Kaleld | 09/17/07
I think you are wrong  Nostredamus | 09/17/07
What do you think  frgough | 09/17/07
Links please!  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Oh I'd go for the WGA failure on a legit install  zkiwi | 09/17/07
Message has been deleted.  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Message has been deleted.  zkiwi | 09/17/07
Links for Stupidity  tomam | 09/17/07
How did I misquote him?  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Bull*cough* again  Elder Developer | 09/17/07
You're splitting hairs.  Resuna | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  jaytho | 09/17/07
I don't care I'm with OSX now  johndifo | 09/17/07
You cared enough to reply!  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Everything you read from Ed Bott is biased!  alafjr@... | 09/17/07
Dead news... 100 replies... no interest  Chippolus | 09/17/07
IF  Endoscopy | 09/17/07
RE:Sigh... try to lower your reality shield...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Then you must have more time on your hands  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Ok I will play...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
oops the things I disklike about Linux  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Yes...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Now THAT is good info...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Actually the new powershell for Windows...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Very nice.  laura.b | 09/17/07
Huh????  rgoeken@... | 09/17/07
CIf you are talking about me, I was responding ...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Its not you.  Chippolus | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  rr.mailing003@... | 09/17/07
Interesting article  fromthehip | 09/17/07
And isn't it great you're free to choose alternatives?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  rhabkirk@... | 09/17/07
I'm Curious...  psuliin | 09/17/07
Yes BUT  chaz15 | 09/17/07
So Correct  chaz15 | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  WorkForFood2 | 09/17/07
Sorry  chaz15 | 09/17/07
Vista does cut max Res on RGB connections  jgwinner | 09/17/07
Unrelated to DRM  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Well Ed your are proving Peters point about Vista....  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Moved out of kernel mode  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Again your are proving the point about the cost...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Go price them for yourself  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Please provide your facts ???  mrOSX | 09/17/07
So where's your list?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Ed: Are you kidding? He has yet to produce facts for...  ye | 09/18/07
Interesting fact...  JCitizen | 10/10/07
Not a driver issue  jgwinner | 09/17/07
Still not getting it  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
You aren't getting it - Drivers were correct  jgwinner | 09/24/07
Read it again  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/24/07
I did read it again - understand the point  jgwinner | 10/10/07
I don't have the right equipment, but others do  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
You're not getting it Ed - I HAD VISTA DRIVERS  jgwinner | 10/08/07
I have now confirmed  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/30/07
HP drivers...  JCitizen | 10/31/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  Pyrotech_z | 09/17/07
One other little tidbit...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
I love how easily distracted ABMers are  NonZealot | 09/17/07
I'll ask you then  TripleII | 09/17/07
Sounds like an accountant loss.  osreinstall | 09/17/07
You completely agree yet pooh pooh at the same time?  TripleII | 09/17/07
Two separate issues  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
What point in time are you using to delineate  notsofast | 09/17/07
You do not have long range consequences in your arguments.  osreinstall | 09/17/07
Missing the point....  thungurknifur | 10/05/07
I said more than that.  osreinstall | 12/31/07
Hardware vendors aren't forced to support DRM  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Doh! My fault for not proof reading  NonZealot | 09/17/07
No car has to supply disk brakes or ABS or airbags  TripleII | 09/17/07
Do you have a link?  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Misunderstanding  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
That ain't quite so  benderr2001 | 09/17/07
It never ceases to amaze me how ABMers want to prove to the world...  ye | 09/17/07
RE:t never ceases to amaze me how...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Nothing wrong with a disgreement based on FACTUAL information.  ye | 09/17/07
It never ceases to amaze me how NBMers want to prove to the world.  deaf_e_kate | 09/17/07
A prime example of a clueless ABMer  ye | 09/17/07
He nailed you, er ye...  comp_indiana | 09/17/07
Who nailed me and about what?  ye | 09/17/07
list the non-fatual ones for me..  deaf_e_kate | 09/17/07
The non-factual what?  ye | 09/17/07
re: the non-factual...  deaf_e_kate | 09/18/07
See your original post to which I responded.  ye | 09/18/07
there's nothing in it about facts or non-facts  deaf_e_kate | 09/18/07
No surprise you can't figure it out.  ye | 09/18/07
All Vista bashers are wrong!!  Oregon_Polar | 09/17/07
Iam not sure what constitues of Vista Basher...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
A Vista basher explination!  Oregon_Polar | 09/17/07
Well I have not bashed Vista..  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Windows Me never crashe on my systems  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Oh the pain!  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Well done ...  LoungeFlyX | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  robellis1945@... | 09/17/07
Whom to Believe?  robellis1945@... | 09/17/07
Driver Signing  s_souche | 09/17/07
To add to you comment about poorly argued..  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Driver signing  laura.b | 09/17/07
driver signing  s_souche | 09/18/07
Clarification noted NT  laura.b | 09/18/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  BioEd2002@... | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  Quantum Rift | 09/17/07
I LIKE AUDIO CASSETTES A LOT  BALTHOR | 09/17/07
perhaps he used a page from the MS book of fud  howardweatherly | 09/17/07
Vista and Video slowdown  Raymond Danner | 09/17/07
ED BOTT Vista hook line and sinker! - NT  raycote | 09/17/07
NT? More like NP  rtk | 09/17/07
From what I see  ballscrew bob | 09/17/07
That's not it at all.  ye | 09/17/07
compare Microsoft's specification of AES with Gutmans paper  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Ed's already done that. No need for me to repeat.  ye | 09/18/07
if you read one of my posts above you'll find my list, but here it is again  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Content protection or not a lot of people will have to upgrade.  ye | 09/18/07
S/PDIF (So what is Gutmann talking about?)  Mri Fjukvara | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  nomorems | 09/17/07
Who cares about DRM?  The_Curmudgeon | 09/17/07
ZDNet at fault!!!!  Narg | 09/17/07
Message has been deleted.  X41 | 09/17/07
Huh, everything I've read  middle of nowhere | 09/17/07
Doesn't Matter Who's Right...  msspurlock2 | 09/17/07
I still won't consider vista, ever.  kraterz | 09/17/07
Vista DRM isn't the real issue to worry about!  SentryWatch | 09/17/07
Ed Bott - Important omissions from the shilling  whisperycat | 09/18/07
Nothing to do with Vista  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
It is to do with Vista since the DRM is embodied in the product  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Sigh  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
Your title is "Everything you've read about Vista *DRM* is wrong"  stevey_d | 09/18/07
And this is not "Vista DRM"  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
Is Vista not made by Microsoft. The article talks about "microsoft DRM"  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Be Careful Ed  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/18/07
Wrong  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
Real Facts  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/18/07
I've provided many facts  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
I'll Be Reading  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/18/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  mithraigor@... | 09/18/07
Ha ha ha  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
What does your link have to do with anything?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/19/07
Well it's a good thing the real world works on facts and not...  ye | 09/18/07
what specifically is rejected in Gutmanns report  stevey_d | 09/18/07
24 hours later and counting. Don't see anything from mrOSX  ye | 09/18/07
Logic-chopping and Clintonesque parsing of the word "will"  dpbsmith | 09/18/07
No, you have it all wrong  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  KeithIrwin | 09/18/07
And lest we forget...  zkiwi | 09/18/07
disingenuous  rtk | 09/18/07
Bug in what sense?  zkiwi | 09/18/07
In the obvious and admitted sense.  rtk | 09/19/07
context switches  zoroaster | 10/05/07
Nice work, Mr. Bott  chas_2 | 09/18/07
Missing the forest for the trees  pyrr | 09/18/07
why does this article sound so angry  hapbt | 09/18/07
Hmmm. sounds very familar to some of the ZDNet offerings.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/18/07
either way, nothing to do with a performance hit, correct? (nt)  rtk | 09/18/07
That's Telling Them Ed, Enough With the MS Haters!  Solid Jedi Knight | 09/18/07
"anyone knows the source code"  Absolutely | 09/21/07
Atacking the messenger....  thungurknifur | 10/05/07
careful about cpu speed facts  jeskeca | 09/20/07
Thanks  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/20/07
Think we might be missing the point  bicard | 09/20/07
Nope  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
ED, i dont disagree ed but .....  bicard | 09/22/07
Seems you are attacking a straw man  wellsoul2@... | 09/23/07
Peter Guttman  bill@... | 09/21/07
peter gutman isn't a journalist or an academic.  rtk | 09/21/07
Nice try, but...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
Hello!  bill@... | 09/21/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  chuck@... | 10/04/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  philami@... | 10/04/07
A title containing "Everything you've read..... is wrong"  Ole Man | 10/04/07
not quite ...  zoroaster | 10/05/07
You are right..... Obviously  Ole Man | 10/05/07
Tx. ole man  On Site PC | 10/10/07
I still don't know ...  zoroaster | 10/05/07
I was using "the right Vista drivers." You are very frustrating  jgwinner | 10/08/07
See my other answer  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
Ed Bott = MS Paid  knowledgefreak | 10/10/07
???  rtk | 10/10/07
Ed, I have Vista Ultimate sitting right here  x-windows user | 10/10/07
Nothing says "I'm a troll"...  rtk | 10/10/07
Watch you own script?  On Site PC | 10/10/07
No inconsistency  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Ad hominem attacks show you're running scared  steve.glass@... | 10/10/07
Ad hominem? Do you even know what that means?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Every thing you read about Windoes DRM is Right  xenophed | 11/01/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  philami@... | 11/02/07

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