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October 9th, 2007

Where do you stand on digital media ethics?

Posted by Ed Bott @ 11:02 am

Categories: Digital media

Tags: CD, Digital-rights Management, Ethics, Question, Digital Rights Management (DRM), Digital Media, Security, Consumer Electronics, Personal Technology, Ed Bott

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I’m back from vacation, digging through a pile of e-mail and snail mail and more packages than FedEx and UPS and USPS and I care to count. Anyway, while I try to find my desk under this mountain of paper and stuff, help me wrestle with some ethical questions related to digital media. We can all agree, I think, that it’s easy to make perfect copies of digital media, and that there’s no such thing as an unbreakable copy protection scheme. But the fact that you can do something doesn’t necessarily mean you should. Does it?

I’m not asking about criminal law or civil suits or the genuine evilness of DRM or the RIAA or Apple or Microsoft. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that your risk of being arrested or sued for any of the activities listed here is zero. The real question is how you feel about the rightness and wrongness of personal actions when it comes to digital media. I use the words proper and OK in these questions, although I could also have chosen moral or ethical or right. Each of those words carries some sort of philosophical baggage that means more to some people than others, so if you feel there’s a better way to ask the question, go ahead and rephrase it to your heart’s content.

This isn’t a “gotcha” exercise. I believe there is a legitimate range of answers to any of these questions, and I’m not looking for a consensus. I’m sure that at one extreme on this issue is a minority that believes all media should be completely free. They’re counterbalanced by lawyers and executives in the entertainment industry who have some fairly radical notions and a long list of activities they would like to declare illegal. Most people, I suspect, fall somewhere between these extremes, which is why I ask these questions:

Take the full poll (11 questions)

  • Do you think it’s proper to buy a CD, rip it to your hard drive, and then make copies for your own personal use on multiple devices or computers? Are there any types of copies that are more or less acceptable? Vote here
  • Do you think it’s proper to buy a CD, rip it to your hard drive, and then trade in the CD at your local used-media store or online? Vote here
  • Is it OK to borrow a CD from a friend and rip it to your hard drive? Is it proper to buy a CD and make a copy for a friend? If your answer to either question is “sometimes” or “it depends,” what are the circumstances that make it OK? Vote here
  • If you buy a DRM-protected track from an online music or video store like iTunes, is it proper to strip the DRM and make an unprotected backup copy? Vote here
  • If you rent a DVD from Netflix or Blockbuster, is it OK to make a copy before you return it? Vote here
  • If you miss an episode of your favorite TV program from a broadcast network, is it OK to download it from BitTorrent or a file-sharing network? Does it make a difference if it’s a program from a subscription-only channel like HBO? What about if the same program is available for free with ads from an “official” website or for a charge from an online service? Vote here

I have my own ideas about some of these issues, but I don’t want to prejudice anyone’s answers. So I’ll tally your votes and read your comments for a few days before posting my thoughts as a follow-up. Have at it.

Ed BottEd Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Hey, every CD I buy, every DVD, whether movie or TV show, I rip to an XviD .avi. It takes a lot of space, but I use Media Center as my complete entertainment center for the big screen in the living ro... (Read the rest)
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DRM-protected track  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
DRM-Protected track - Bravo!  chris.pace@... | 10/10/07
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agreed  noahjwhite@... | 10/12/07
Music vs Movie vs Game Industries  NeuromancerLV | 10/12/07
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Me neither  rdelaplaza | 10/10/07
Living in the past!  Information_z | 10/11/07
You made several great points  Nickasshattery | 10/11/07
It's already happening  balaknair | 10/13/07
unbelievable  jongunn@... | 10/12/07
DRM Protection  Publisher_z | 10/11/07
Lovely Moral Nonsensical Analysis  Cayble | 10/09/07
More input please  John L. Ries | 10/10/07
Some material is NOT copyrighted  Tom Bl | 10/10/07
I agree  John L. Ries | 10/10/07
Good point.  Resuna | 10/10/07
Non copyrighted material  joseph.vreeland@... | 10/10/07
I won't  alaniane@... | 10/11/07
CAN"T FEED BACK - CLOWN ATE SITE  scott1329 | 10/10/07
I haven't seen the hungry clown  meryllogue@... | 10/10/07
re: Where do you stand?  cbradshaw@... | 10/10/07
But, the DMCA is unconstitutional.  Update victim | 10/10/07
The DMCA is not unconstitutional until ...  mwagner@... | 10/10/07
Re: The DMCA is not unconstitutional until ...  none none | 10/10/07
False  John L. Ries | 10/10/07
Agreed  davagain | 10/10/07
Fixed??  Update victim | 10/11/07
Addendum  Update victim | 10/11/07
So the Constitution is worthless until the Supreme Court says so?  CobraA1 | 10/11/07
What constitution?  pgf_666@... | 10/13/07
Depends on Copy CD for friend  swattz101 | 10/10/07
Same except for #2  boony | 10/10/07
That is absurd.  spookyone1 | 10/10/07
I said no on #2...  John L. Ries | 10/10/07
Hmmm...  boony | 10/11/07
I said no as well  sheph@... | 10/11/07
disagree with asyland  davagain | 10/10/07
The problem...  Information_z | 10/11/07
You answered yourself  jongunn@... | 10/12/07
Rentals  davagain | 10/10/07
Follow the Money  Publisher_z | 10/11/07
Does The Author Get Paid  carlson3@... | 10/12/07
My thoughts  mtgarden | 10/09/07
I agree MTGarden!  meryllogue@... | 10/10/07
Your finsl point brings to mind ...  mwagner@... | 10/10/07
They are...  Information_z | 10/11/07
I fully agree.  spookyone1 | 10/10/07
Ripping CDs and DVDs  genefitz1976 | 11/27/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  apsimm | 10/09/07
Households  BFDonnelly | 10/10/07
1 perfomance per houshold at a time?  lenguado | 10/10/07
No.  spookyone1 | 10/10/07
Ethics? Where?  joseph.vreeland@... | 10/10/07
Why do we always...  Justin Carmichael | 10/10/07
Who cares...  Information_z | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  mikerisner@... | 10/09/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  ccrashh2@... | 10/09/07
My Thoughts  Herb3 | 10/09/07
Wrong  slopoke | 10/09/07
Forgot that aspect...  ivanotter | 10/10/07
Wise words  Loggies | 10/10/07
Re: Wise words  none none | 10/10/07
disagree w slopoke  davagain | 10/10/07
that was my vote  merc2dogs` | 10/11/07
I've added a poll to make it easier to respond  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/09/07
How about adding a poll that works? (answers)  Resuna | 10/10/07
Angst! Is it right . . .  rpboothe | 10/09/07
Re: Angst! Is it right . . .  none none | 10/09/07
It's like reading a newspaper....  mdsmedia | 10/09/07
ZDNet's polling software stinks. Also, my thoughts  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
The last Question on the Poll is unfinished  Badgered | 10/09/07
Re: The last Question on the Poll is unfinished  none none | 10/09/07
Fixed.  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/09/07
Ethical stance  s_souche | 10/09/07
Re: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  none none | 10/09/07
evrything is contract  s_souche | 10/09/07
Oh, it's debatable, alright.  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
i still think it is ( a contract ) and is not ( debatable )  s_souche | 10/09/07
Wrong again.  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
sale and contract  s_souche | 10/09/07
Implied contracft  s_souche | 10/09/07
Re: Implied Contract  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
re: Sale and Contract  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
More on implied contract  dave.leigh@... | 10/10/07
my point  s_souche | 10/10/07
Re: my point  none none | 10/10/07
that is implied  s_souche | 10/10/07
Re: that is implied  none none | 10/10/07
Copyright Law  s_souche | 10/10/07
re: My Point  dave.leigh@... | 10/10/07
considerations  s_souche | 10/11/07
Contracts in violation of law are invalid. (NT)  Update victim | 10/10/07
That statement is misleading at best.  codeguy007 | 10/10/07
Ethics and contractual law not the same  gct | 10/10/07
Law and Ethics  JDTanner | 10/10/07
Re: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  none none | 10/09/07
Brings up another ethical question  NonZealot | 10/09/07
Re: Brings up another ethical question  none none | 10/09/07
I couldn't agree more...  mdsmedia | 10/09/07
Ethics vs. Morality  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
point taken and agreed...  mdsmedia | 10/09/07
Re: point taken and agreed...  none none | 10/10/07
Many good people feel no obligation  jjon2121 | 10/09/07
Agreed, but...  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
Re: Agreed, but...  none none | 10/10/07
How to...  John L. Ries | 10/10/07
Hear, hear!  spookyone1 | 10/10/07
Best advice is to obey the law.  osreinstall | 10/10/07
Re: Best advice is to obey the law.  none none | 10/10/07
Under the law a corporation is a living entity.  osreinstall | 10/10/07
Re: Under the law a corporation is a living entity.  none none | 10/10/07
They are not the only ones allowed to lie.  osreinstall | 10/10/07
corporations  davagain | 10/10/07
Politics  a1romeo@... | 10/10/07
More than politics.  osreinstall | 10/10/07
Because two wrongs still don't make it right.  spookyone1 | 10/10/07
That advice is not relevant to the poll.  Resuna | 10/11/07
Yes it is.  osreinstall | 10/11/07
What I do  Chad_z | 10/09/07
Great poll!!  NonZealot | 10/09/07
Re: Great poll!!  none none | 10/09/07
Re: Great Poll  s_souche | 10/09/07
Ah, my fault  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/09/07
Well, for example...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/09/07
AHRA  tic swayback | 10/09/07
Poll is asking the wrong questions  mrjonno | 10/09/07
that depends on your morality and ethics...nt  mdsmedia | 10/09/07
We have security in shops...  dave.leigh@... | 10/09/07
99.99% of all shops have secuirty  mrjonno | 10/10/07
Morality and Ethics ALWAYS come into it.  dane@... | 10/10/07
RE: Its Just 1s and 0s  kerrycrabb@... | 10/09/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  vall7744@... | 10/09/07
Copies of stuff you don't own ... + DRM  kd5auq | 10/09/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  mnpundit | 10/09/07
Burning a friend's CD to my hard drive....  shawkins | 10/09/07
Burning a Friend's CD  bill.harrison@... | 10/10/07
If I owned a previous version ...  FergiesPop | 10/10/07
Agreed  dr-haim@... | 10/10/07
Comparison to other products  Old Techie | 10/10/07
Another reason to rip a friend's CD...  pschay@... | 10/10/07
Where's my refund??  lazlo000 | 10/09/07
"Perfect" copy of an audio CD?  aep528 | 10/09/07
Bit for bit duplication  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
Yes, but...  aep528 | 10/10/07
technically  s_souche | 10/10/07
It is kind of like voting.  kweebia | 10/09/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Cayble | 10/09/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  mtpt | 10/10/07
One of these questions is very difficult...  Ben_E | 10/10/07
Question  s_souche | 10/10/07
(Not sure if it's an) Answer  Ben_E | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  hgh9mrp@... | 10/10/07
Let me add additional question  s_souche | 10/10/07
Do they label DRM protected CD's and DVD's in any way?  el1jones | 10/10/07
Well...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
how to tell  s_souche | 10/10/07
A feature of the media?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
media feature or not  s_souche | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  caryg37@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  ddelorme@... | 10/10/07
I totally agree  dickmac-zdnet@... | 10/10/07
Copying a CD from a friend?  big red one | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  gurugeekster | 10/10/07
It depends  TucsonGuy | 10/10/07
"Are you a media thief?"  big red one | 10/10/07
That was not the intent of my post  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  danny@... | 10/10/07
Trade in of cars  majorg@... | 10/10/07
Copying CDs Music or Software  drapp | 10/10/07
More Questions With Pique  scott1329 | 10/10/07
focusing ont he Episode...  ivanotter | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  neilwilkes | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  David Wilson | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  john.foggitt@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  advocate | 10/10/07
File sharing Network?  Pegasus_z | 10/10/07
Nobody Needs This  pj_mouse | 10/10/07
Are you a media thief?  Webmoron99 | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  mulfamjunk@... | 10/10/07
That was exactly what I thought!  pingu@... | 10/10/07
RE: My Depends Answers  Uncle Buck | 10/10/07
If the material is no longer available new...  paul613 | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  spam_sucker_uk@... | 10/10/07
You should be entitled to the content  greg.riffe@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Edwardmccaffrey@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Flying Pig | 10/10/07
My opinion  Hans Schmidt | 10/10/07
It Depends  jay@... | 10/10/07
Subscription based and non-subscribers  majorg@... | 10/10/07
Good Point  jay@... | 10/10/07
Personal and noncommercial  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/19/07
TV shows  fishbone528 | 10/10/07
The context of the question  ScratchCA | 10/10/07
No one needs protection from themselves  Leria | 10/10/07
I was so...with you  spookyone1 | 10/10/07
That's nonsense.  tkepner | 10/10/07
"Of course"?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  zenofjazz@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  stephen.lear@... | 10/10/07
Copy vs "collectible"  majorg@... | 10/10/07
When TPTB get some ethics . . .  critic-at-arms | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  janeouyangmah@... | 10/10/07
The poll questions needed work...  Narg | 10/10/07
I believe  softwareFlunky | 10/10/07
Others also used this approach  Update victim | 10/10/07
Out of print media...  mark@... | 10/10/07
We are living in the age of videography  bob@... | 10/10/07
Fair Use should trump a bad business model  gnomic | 10/10/07
Making a NON-DRM backup ...  mwagner@... | 10/10/07
How is a CD or DVD different than a book?  mfswfla | 10/10/07
You can also loan out a CD or DVD ...  mwagner@... | 10/10/07
Now its a book on CD  mfswfla | 10/12/07
The difference is analog versus digital  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
Not necessarily  mfswfla | 10/12/07
The value is in the intellectual property  dcunning30@... | 10/11/07
Who decides what is ethical?  mfswfla | 10/12/07
Give me a break! (rolls eyes)  dcunning30@... | 10/12/07
DRM Nonsense  jcl9024 | 10/10/07
Great Post -- so true  dbucciar | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  BrianHughesMA@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  jscottkemp@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  jbullar1@... | 10/10/07
DRM is another word for dinosaur  draciron@... | 10/10/07
One of the significant issues that people tend to overlook...  GrizzledGeezer | 10/10/07
Trackbacks from Survey  orcmid | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  erm@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  jbeckwithnb@... | 10/10/07
Who's really a pirate?  HunterShoptaw | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  drprod@... | 10/10/07
Awakening  a1romeo@... | 10/10/07
Two Separate Questions: Law  hnoyes | 10/10/07
Re: Paying for same music multiple times  baker900@... | 10/10/07
LIBRARIES - It's all about the library  stormculture | 10/10/07
pop icons are paid advertisers  psimpsongore | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  tracychess@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  nuclear_error@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Bgcooley@... | 10/10/07
People in the US need to get a clue.  The_Curmudgeon | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Eaglefeathers1@... | 10/10/07
Personal Use  curtcalhoun | 10/10/07
Polling Irregularities  michaelleo@... | 10/10/07
Media Ethics  francesphx@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  clareJ | 10/10/07
From where I stand  crawdad2k | 10/10/07
Digital Media ethics - Missed the point  paulettem | 10/10/07
You talk the talk then walk the walk.  txakura@... | 10/10/07
RE: The RIAA cheats! Why should'nt others?  wildunow@... | 10/10/07
This is SO simple...  BitTwiddler | 10/10/07
You didn't read the questions  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
But Ed...  ty2k1 | 10/10/07
Purchased is the key word  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Yes...  wmlundine | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand ? Paranoid.  valvestate@... | 10/10/07
Reply to story  wells.bunch@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  JayBee51 | 10/10/07
I make backup copy's for myself to use  madmax_2069 | 10/10/07
In Canada  codeguy007 | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  comhunter | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Enorton42@... | 10/10/07
Borrow a CD and rip it ??? why sometimes  janeencurran@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  lenguado | 10/10/07
It "Depends"  Biggles209 | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  phatkat | 10/10/07
Realistic look at things. (Lengthy)  carbonred | 10/10/07
Direct Hit  dkunzman@... | 10/11/07
Q 1  catseverywhere@... | 10/10/07
A culture (or country) of thieves  alternateviewpoints | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  L3LLL1931@... | 10/10/07
Let me make sure I understand you  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
I am trying to pick a number that has some threshold.  L3LLL1931@... | 10/10/07
Making copies for friends? No way!  HiltonT | 10/10/07
Making Copies for FriendsMaking Copies for Friends:  L3LLL1931@... | 10/10/07
Making Copies for Friends  HiltonT | 10/10/07
Where did you get that [100+] number from?  dcunning30@... | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  HiltonT | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  highjacker@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  bill_miller@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  osbd | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  ty2k1 | 10/10/07
My take on digital media ethics?  dacap06@... | 10/10/07
Sharing  silverg50 | 10/10/07
Let go all the way to absurdity (just for fun)  lastar84 | 10/10/07
Netflix question  jcb@... | 10/10/07
purchased music/video  lyndaj70@... | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  lcalvin@... | 10/10/07
Don't copy that floppy!  D. T. Schmitz | 10/10/07
Reminds me of those idiot copyright commercials  rtb | 10/10/07
Honestly  Grausam | 10/10/07
DRM irrelevant; ethics of copying depend on circumstances  rcasha_z | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  fsamlegm@... | 10/10/07
Here's a tough one...  kamahl928 | 10/10/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Crickette | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  david.moore@... | 10/11/07
What if you pre-pay for your copy?  BrianS_z | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  andres.teixido@... | 10/11/07
Re:Where's my refund??  lenguado | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  steve@... | 10/11/07
My thoughts . . .  CobraA1 | 10/11/07
Ethics  paktrik@... | 10/12/07
Do ethics involve torrents, keygens, p2p, RAR?  ccato | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  wyoming_antelope@... | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  sschale@... | 10/11/07
digital media ethics - lots of opinions  Jim Johnson | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  sschale@... | 10/11/07
The only exception I make  DB_z | 10/11/07
I agree with this  kokuryu | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  patrickrossiter | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  bmilton@... | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  hugh@... | 10/11/07
So Ed  tracy anne | 10/11/07
Still watching  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
For example ...  sborsher | 10/11/07
If you buy a used disc from Netflix...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  stchrispy | 10/11/07
The tightrope  sepreece | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  Gwylan_Blade | 10/11/07
If you buy a DRM-protected track  jbaviera@... | 10/11/07
Moral and Legal Issues...  Information_z | 10/11/07
Simple right and wrong  melekali | 10/11/07
Intrinsic 0 Extrinsic 100  gregoryb_z | 10/11/07
Ehics, Actual Practice, and Canadian Pragmatics  lila1@... | 10/11/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  turnip73 | 10/12/07
Guiding priciple  Anton Philidor | 10/12/07
Message has been deleted.  ballmerrules@... | 10/12/07
My turn  micheleh@... | 10/13/07
Copying CDs  wolfy_s | 10/13/07
Depends...  stevemccormick@... | 10/13/07
Moral Issue  chaze@... | 10/13/07
The "story" is pointless...  Kostaghus | 10/14/07
Bought or borrowed  tom@... | 10/14/07
DRM protected- it is their right  scream2beam | 10/14/07
Stealing?  DNSB | 10/15/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  twhetstone@... | 10/15/07
Media Ethics  bigbugna | 10/15/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  sbotsford@... | 10/15/07
Media companies live in the dark ages  bicard | 10/15/07
Where did I get that [100 ] number from?  L3LLL1931@... | 10/15/07
OK to copy friend's CD  tony@... | 10/15/07
Copying to/from friend  joshdub@... | 10/15/07
Copying friends CDs (and other digital media)  chris.stone@... | 10/16/07
Change the BUSINESS MODEL  raider5985@... | 10/16/07
Digital media Ethics?  seabrowser@... | 10/16/07
RE: Where do you stand on digital media ethics?  chuck_gregory@... | 10/17/07
RIAA  pilotvfr@... | 10/18/07
DRM and Protected music  genefitz1976 | 11/27/07

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