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October 19th, 2007

The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff

Posted by Ed Bott @ 8:25 am

Categories: Digital media

Tags: CD, RIAA, Music Industry, Friend, File-sharing, Music, OK, Ed Bott

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After reading through hundreds of comments to last week’s digital media ethics poll, I’ve come to the realization that my readers are much more rational and reasonable than the entertainment industry. Overall, I see plenty of common sense in those responses, including a clear respect for property rights and an insistence on a reasonable approach to personal use, one that’s consistent with centuries of historical precedent.

Earlier this week, I looked at the enormous disconnect between what consumers see as their personal right to use purchased digital media and what the industry thinks those rights should be. To see another gaping chasm in attitudes, look at these answers from the same poll. More than 8,000 votes were cast on each of these two questions, which address the question of music sharing:

Is it OK to borrow a CD from a friend and rip it to your hard drive?

  • Yes: 34%
  • Sometimes/Depends: 13%
  • No: 53%

Is it proper to buy a CD and make a copy for a friend?

  • Yes: 27%
  • Sometimes/Depends: 8%
  • No: 65%

I find those results remarkable. At a bare minimum, 27% of you think that friends should feel free to copy commercial music CDs. The music industry says that’s outright theft. No exceptions:

If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you’re stealing. You’re breaking the law, and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages. … Criminal penalties can run up to 5 years in prison and/or $250,000 in fines, even if you didn’t do it for monetary or financial or commercial gain.

So, are music consumers just greedy or ethically challenged? I don’t think so. A lot of the confusion is over the expanding meaning of words like “personal” and “friend,” which meant something different in the 1970s when the entertainment industry as we know it today rose into being. Sharing music or movies with friends in the 1970s meant sharing a physical space - a dorm room, a living room, a concert hall, a movie theater. Today, people who’ve never met manage to make casual acquaintances and build friendships; their shared presence includes online communities and more private spaces that are strikingly similar to their physical counterparts. The desire to share remains the same; the tools to share are easier and not limited by physical objects (records and CDs) or even physical spaces.

For music fans, then and now, sharing has been about the music. As one commenter perceptively noted, if no one hears, no one buys:

I think it’s okay to share music among friends and family. I would only share out if I thought that the friend was unlikely to buy it but would enjoy the artist or should be introduced to the artist. I wouldn’t rip a borrowed disk that I would have bought. I have bought quite a few disks because I was introduced by friends.

The comments on the poll also emphasized the importance of “mix” CDs among music fans. This commenter argues that reasonable sharing benefits everyone, including the artists and the industry:

Personally I feel it’s fine to share media among friends and family because it’s a form of discovery and promotion. I’ve had quite a few mix CDs made for me which is obviously “illegal” yet I’ve discovered some great bands that way, bands that I’ve in turn bought their next albums, gone to their concerts or in turn promoted them to other friends. I’ve also discovered that some much hyped bands were horrible and I would have wasted $10 on a CD I’d never listen to, which is what I’m sure the RIAA is counting on as well.

I struggled to reconcile the differences in the response to two questions covering apparently similar activities. Nearly half of the respondents (47%) think it’s always or sometimes OK to borrow a friend’s CD and rip it; a smaller group (35%) think it’s always or sometimes OK to copy a CD for a friend.

So what’s the distinction? The comments offer some clues:

In most of the music copying questions, “it depends” on whether or not I’ve already bought a previous copy (and subsequently lost or destroyed it).

This comment takes the same argument even farther:

I think you should be able to copy a CD from a friend if you’ve purchased a copy of that same material previously, such as a cassette tape, album, or even 8 track.

Is it OK to borrow a CD from a friend and rip it to your hard drive? While I would normally consider this unacceptable, I might make an exception for a CD which was out-of-print and unavailable used at a reasonable price, or for a CD which I own if my copy has been damaged or proven to be defective. For example, I have at least two or three CDs that played OK when I purchased them, but at least some tracks no longer play correctly and the discs have long been out of print. If I could borrow a CD to make copies of the tracks that no longer play, I would probably do it.

My issues with DRM and digital media ethics have to do with the record companies, not the artists. I have yet to see a convincing argument that the artificially high prices charged by record companies for CDs does anything for the music business in general or the average artist. I rarely buy new CDs, because of the price. I rarely download from torrents, etc., because of the file quality and legal issues. But when faced with the opportunity to purchase music of high quality at a reasonable price — say $5 - $8 for a complete CD — I will spend a good amount of money. In any given year, I will spend $300 to $500 on affordable music. That is money that the music companies will never see. I imagine that there are thousands of listeners out there like me.

Some of the arguments in those comments are pure rationalization, of course, a way to provide moral cover for the act of getting something for nothing. But that’s the minority, in my opinion. Most casual sharing between friends is about the desire to share experiences, the same “Hey, you have to hear this” impulse that a previous generation felt in pre-digital days.

I’m highly skeptical that the mainstream entertainment industry will ever find a way to reach common ground with its customers on this issue. The RIAA, after all, is run by lobbyists and lawyers. For them, it’s not about the music, it’s about the product. They’re highly motivated to create a rigid definition without exceptions, one that will stand up in court even if it’s an abject failure in the court of public opinion. As their customers have already discovered, new technology makes it possible to share tunes in all sorts of ways. Ratcheting down the rhetoric and recognizing that some sharing and trading among music-loving friends is reasonable would be good for artists, labels, and consumers alike. Unfortunately, crafting such a policy would require that the industry trust its customers and be willing to accept a certain amount of abuse as inevitable.

The chances that that will happen are, sadly, about the same as the chances that the Beatles will reunite.

Up next: DRM and other stupid business models.

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RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff
Remember when CD's first came out? "They will be virtually indestructable. The MUSIC cd's will last approximately 99 years. They will outlive the owner!" My first cd's from that time period are stil... (Read the rest)
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Self eating watermellon  TripleII | 10/19/07
I think the New Amazon MP3 service . . .  JLHenry | 10/20/07
I have already purchased over 80 tunes  TripleII | 10/20/07
Etunes?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/20/07
Yes, eMusic  TripleII | 10/20/07
That was what MP3.com started out as  Resuna | 10/22/07
Problem was . . .  JLHenry | 10/22/07
That's not how MP3.com started..  Beat a Dead Horse | 10/25/07
MP3 sound quality is an oxymoron  1Cat2Many | 10/25/07
My Opinion.  Toke4us@... | 10/23/07
So why does the RIAA persecute customers?  Anton Philidor | 10/19/07
Re: So why does the RIAA persecute customers?  none none | 10/19/07
Oh?  Anton Philidor | 10/19/07
Also, I appreciate Mr. Attaway.....on behalf of DRM  Ole Man | 10/19/07
Appreciate means enjoy.  Anton Philidor | 10/19/07
I get it  Ole Man | 10/21/07
Well-turned phrase.  Anton Philidor | 10/22/07
I have to completely agree  thx-1138_@... | 10/23/07
Re: Well-turned phrase.  none none | 10/24/07
Why do stores prosecute shop lifters?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/07
And Why do lawyers have rules of professional responsiblity?  startx.jeff | 10/19/07
Flaw in the argument  magcomment | 10/19/07
Because they can.  Anton Philidor | 10/19/07
Even bigger differences...  Media-Ted@... | 10/22/07
Why?  Ole Man | 10/19/07
Copy media is not stealing.  Bozzer | 10/19/07
That is your opinion.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/07
No it's fact  voska | 10/22/07
Wah wah wah too bad for them  bmerc | 10/22/07
Sorry, Charley, but the RIAA got away with calling it THEFT...  Media-Ted@... | 10/22/07
Content provider my backside  Relorian@... | 10/22/07
Would that be something like?  Ole Man | 10/23/07
Correction  Ole Man | 10/23/07
Flawed Argument.  soonerproud | 10/19/07
You are assuming  dragosani | 10/19/07
Not really true  notsofast | 10/19/07
You are assuming 1 song  dragosani | 10/19/07
It doesn't matter  soonerproud | 10/19/07
Something else  soonerproud | 10/19/07
Again  dragosani | 10/20/07
Question: How much RIAA?s bosses earn from a CD vs. the artist? A lot? (NT)  moveon | 10/23/07
Ditto, assumes facts not in evidence  Mike Hunt | 10/20/07
Change the word, sleep better at night.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
Please, enlighten us with your definition of stealing. (NT)  Vily Clay | 10/21/07
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts  Ole Man | 10/21/07
I already did Vily.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
Do you remember your definition of the word stealing?  Vily Clay | 10/21/07
Vily, you really need to read.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
So you infringe to get even with the Reptilian race?  osreinstall | 10/21/07
No any proof of osreinstall's belief again. It's typical ...  Vily Clay | 10/21/07
I will speak slowly for you.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
You haven't proved anything except that you are bonkers.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
No need to. You are legally insane.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
Here is your lizard terraformers.  osreinstall | 10/21/07
I give up Vily.  osreinstall | 10/22/07
It's not theft though it's worse  voska | 10/22/07
I agree Voska  osreinstall | 10/22/07
ZDNet deleted many posts + Vily's reply to osreinstall. Is it because,,,  Get Clue | 10/22/07
I see you changed your handle Vily.  osreinstall | 10/22/07
Please don't feed the troll  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/22/07
osreinstall and Ed, let's check your claims about your supremacy over Vily.  krot55 | 10/22/07
Once more...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/22/07
You could of say it honestly - you hate who tells the truth you can't spoil  krot55 | 10/22/07
Don't worry Ed, I already said goodbye.  osreinstall | 10/22/07
Thus osreinstall, you lost the challenge and proved your low IQ, ... (NT)  krot55 | 10/22/07
Wow! So much fear of the truth - the messages are deleted without a trace..  Wow_wow | 10/24/07
I once worked as a DJ...  Media-Ted@... | 10/22/07
Re.Why do stores prosecute shop lifters?  none none | 10/19/07
Shop lifters and CD Copiers?  ju1ce | 10/30/07
Whoa, Nellie!  Ole Man | 10/19/07
Exaggeration  John L. Ries | 10/19/07
Depends on your perspective  Imaginos1892 | 10/19/07
Yes, that was my point  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/20/07
Achieving "an abject failure in the court of public opinion"...  Henrik Moller | 10/19/07
Ya know, before saying the RIAA is wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/07
True enough  voska | 10/19/07
You're mis-stating our position, Ax.  Henrik Moller | 10/19/07
Give it a rest, this is NOT about Micrsoft.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/07
Well then.... don't bring it up...  shawkins | 10/19/07
fact checking  Anton Philidor | 10/19/07
Perhaps that is true.  shawkins | 10/19/07
RIAA's own internal study...  Anton Philidor | 10/22/07
Taking the fun out of entertainment...  rx7racer | 10/22/07
Worked for the Hulk!  Mike Hunt | 10/20/07
Re: fact checking  none none | 10/20/07
True it does but one caveat  voska | 10/22/07
Funny...  jasonp@... | 10/19/07
then why did YOU bring Microsoft into it?  bmerc | 10/22/07
I must be odd then  soonerproud | 10/19/07
I really see is a small percentage that have issues  Ole Man | 10/19/07
ZDNet is NOT representative  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/07
Neither are you representative  Ole Man | 10/21/07
Way to miss the big picture  Bozzer | 10/19/07
Clue for ya.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/07
100 million iPods sold  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 10/19/07
Also check out the competition  voska | 10/22/07
Microsoft???!?  beaner1111@... | 10/19/07
For once you and I are in (partial) agreement  Jambalaya Breath | 10/22/07
It's not the RIAA's product  Joe_Racer | 10/22/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  mrOSX | 10/19/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  ZazZazzle | 10/19/07
Right!  slopoke | 10/19/07
Ramble On (Not you, me)  DannyO_0x98 | 10/19/07
My response to Mitch Ratcliffe  Ole Man | 10/23/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  notsofast | 10/19/07
What about the great white elephant in the corner of the room?  Ben_E | 10/19/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  beaner1111@... | 10/19/07
Same as it ever was, oops I took that from David Byrne  DannyO_0x98 | 10/19/07
the riaa protects the music labels not the artists  christopher@... | 10/20/07
Artists, not even that much  TripleII | 10/20/07
By This Definition  aureolin@... | 10/20/07
I say Apple is worse now  TripleII | 10/20/07
Doh, would purchase from MS long before Apple  TripleII | 10/20/07
RIAA needs to grow up  cdiazh | 10/21/07
Then need to just disappear  voska | 10/22/07
Agree  Mectron | 11/01/07
Radiohead doing very well without the middle man  kevintxu | 10/21/07
nice article, but keep audience in mind  patibulo | 10/21/07
Flawed Logic and Misinformation  legalista | 10/22/07
That's not what I've meant  patibulo | 10/23/07
They need publicity, so I do not believe the RIAA  scott1329 | 10/22/07
Reality precedes settling disputes  jdubow@... | 10/22/07
I guess it all boils down to...  mcicogni | 10/22/07
Diluting the basic definition of words.  tulsatech | 10/22/07
Well.....  markofkane | 10/22/07
RIAA = Lawyers Lobbyists? Well, No Wonder!  chas_2 | 10/22/07
The entertainment industry is its own worse enemy  edomejn | 10/22/07
It will go on, no matter what they do  genefitz1976 | 10/22/07
On the subject of patents, copyrights, monopolies, etc...  Media-Ted@... | 10/22/07
Watch what the dirtiest techniques do they use to crush competition, people  krot55 | 10/22/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  okleadfoot@... | 10/22/07
Trouble is..............  Ole Man | 10/23/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  krossbow | 10/22/07
Why posts with the legal definition of STEALING were deleted?  krot55 | 10/22/07
Same story is with Copyright - ALL posts with the definition were deleted.  krot55 | 10/22/07
If it would not be true - ZDNet would not delete the posts. Why? Because...  krot55 | 10/22/07
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what..  krot55 | 10/22/07
I don't quite understand...  micheleh@... | 10/23/07
Written in stone  Ole Man | 10/23/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  csc2ya | 10/23/07
You will not last long.  osreinstall | 10/23/07
osreinstall, why are you so sensitive to the truth about you?  Wow_wow | 10/24/07
What are the legalities of photocopying...?  hkatzman@... | 10/23/07
RIAA/MPAA IS THE REASON  rebelxhardcore | 10/23/07
Rationalisation Personified  johnfenjackson@... | 10/24/07
Well said  rapson | 10/24/07
Pile of baloney  none none | 10/24/07
Pile of...... something that smells much worse than baloney  Ole Man | 10/25/07
The thing is...  osreinstall | 10/25/07
The thing is...  osreinstall | 10/25/07
osreinstall, why do you continue sending senseless posts?  The_cost | 10/25/07
NWOR Stalker  osreinstall | 10/25/07
RIAAs lies to the people is the topic. Lost brains, osreinstall-liar?  Godless_user | 10/25/07
You are desperate Vily.  osreinstall | 10/25/07
Thus osreinstall, you proved you have hallucinations you belive in.  Godless_user | 10/25/07
they get no sympathy from me  Ole Man | 10/25/07
You could have fooled me.  osreinstall | 10/25/07
Where is legal definition of stealing? You do not know any, but you judge.  Godless_user | 10/25/07
Goodbye Vily.  osreinstall | 10/25/07
Finally osreinstall you agreed with all claims about your intelligence, etc  Godless_user | 10/25/07
You could have fooled me  Ole Man | 10/26/07
Actually you can be read like a book.  osreinstall | 10/26/07
Actually you can be read  Ole Man | 10/26/07
How about valid facts that sharing my own dollar is illegal?  HowAbout | 10/26/07
That's your problem.  osreinstall | 10/26/07
Re: HowAbout  osreinstall | 10/26/07
How come that my own dollar I earned belongs to others? By your wish?  bot527 | 10/27/07
I did not say that.  osreinstall | 10/27/07
So far - no definition of stealing from you. You want the USSR in the US.  bot527 | 10/27/07
I see you like to twist what I said all around.  osreinstall | 10/27/07
You don't crack any books  Ole Man | 10/27/07
Well you put the shoe on and it fits.  osreinstall | 10/28/07
And the shoe becomes you so!  Ole Man | 10/28/07
Don't blame me for your rationalizations.  osreinstall | 10/28/07
How smart osreinstall is if he still doesn?t know what is this stealing ...  Whoisit | 10/28/07
As for spinning it  Ole Man | 10/29/07
Spinning is your domain.  osreinstall | 10/29/07
osreinstall, how much do they pay you for your lies about sharing?  swampol | 10/29/07
A ton of money.  osreinstall | 10/30/07
Good news-osreinstall indirectly admitted his defeat & that he is a fascist  no_more_osreinstall | 10/30/07
Vily, the trace has been completed.  osreinstall | 10/30/07
osreinstall, you are a good boy - you admitted all claims against you.  no_more_osreinstall | 10/30/07
osreinstall, why didn?t you say honestly ? you support the RIAA because ...  matix999 | 10/30/07
Vily, as for honesty...  osreinstall | 10/30/07
osreinstall, now you don't know who & what you're talking about. Get sick?  matix999 | 10/30/07
movie industry headed down same road as riaa  bicard | 10/24/07
I'm curious - why ZDNet deletes post with truthful info about the topic?  Wow_wow | 10/24/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  lajoes@... | 10/24/07
I think you miss the big picture.  e2001@... | 10/24/07
i buy the cd i rip the cd i keep a copy on my pc and make a backup i paid  SO.CAL Guy | 10/25/07
More Rationalisation  johnfenjackson@... | 10/28/07
I admit the industry breaks the law  Ole Man | 10/28/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  olcro_2000@... | 10/31/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  OmegaWolf747 | 11/01/07
Amazon MP3  turkeystyle | 11/01/07
That's making the assumption it's cheaper (NT)  ju1ce | 11/02/07
RE: The RIAA versus us: a file-sharing standoff  lancelovett | 11/04/07

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