Trialware payola
dascha1 | 05/13/08
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Every deal is different, but yes
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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That's the real root of the problem Mr. Bott
AdventTech67 | 05/14/08
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That's what I like about Dell
bigsibling | 05/14/08
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That's what I like about building
dansen926 | 05/14/08
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Well maybe ...
pstewart@... | 05/15/08
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What is next for Dell
peterjnew@... | 09/09/08
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That's true in some cases, but not most.
Flying Pig | 05/14/08
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Not true with Sony
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
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Yes, I spoke too soon
Flying Pig | 05/14/08
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Gateway's just as bad - if not worse...
Wolfie2K3 | 05/14/08
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Not all Gateways are problems
CharlesEtheridge@... | 05/20/08
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Dell seems to have learned their lesson
Larry Osterman | 05/14/08
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I can confirm that...
cgdams | 05/14/08
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Pleasantly surprised
Ed Bott | 05/17/08
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Translation
frgough | 05/13/08
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Wrong
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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It is the responsibility of a vendor
frgough | 05/13/08
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Yes, and some do that very well
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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He said "most"
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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Precisely.
frgough | 05/14/08
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follow up
frgough | 05/14/08
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You're flip-flopping. And you're still wrong.
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
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Get real!
zenwalker | 05/14/08
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Vendor's responsibility
clarktacular@... | 05/14/08
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How about posting names of ...
ThereThere | 05/14/08
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Since when did Windows become an ecosystem?
cnfrisch | 05/13/08
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Tell Microsoft
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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Hillarious
mtgarden | 05/13/08
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Beautiful
seanferd | 05/13/08
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Evidently metaphors have been lost
alaniane@... | 05/17/08
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If you tell the same lie often enough ?
martin23 | 05/13/08
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If you repeat the same Talkback comment often enough...
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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name calling
martin23 | 05/13/08
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Follow the link, Martin
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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mythbuster ?
martin23 | 05/13/08
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One question:
marks055@... | 05/13/08
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One Answer
martin23 | 05/13/08
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Daring to question the wisdom of Ed
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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Vista Still Sucks
chessmen | 05/14/08
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Dumb statement but lookat the source.
dave@... | 05/14/08
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It's a bit Inelegant ...
ja4509 | 05/14/08
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My experience has been the total opposite...
socialism=nowhere | 05/14/08
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Details Of Why Vista Sucks--Consider The Source
chessmen | 05/14/08
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i can tell you what i see ans from all the systems i've sold
SO.CAL Guy | 05/14/08
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Exactly, to run VISTA...
arminw | 05/14/08
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@arminw: No, it is not necessary to buy a new...
ye | 05/14/08
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So, basically the only reason someone
alaniane@... | 05/17/08
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You qouted winsupersite but that is from Oct of 2006
Michael L Hereid Sr | 05/14/08
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You can run Linux on a P2
hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/14/08
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Most people who continue to use P2 systems...
ye | 05/14/08
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If it's free...
hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/15/08
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Sorry to spoil your moment but that's just your opinion. My opinon and
socialism=nowhere | 05/14/08
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Be careful, or Ed will email you personally and cuss you out
zaine_ridling | 05/16/08
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The whole story
Ed Bott | 05/17/08
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The lesson, Ed
rtk | 05/17/08
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First time user and totally lost
jo@... | 05/20/08
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If you put your fingers in your ears and...
Confused by religion | 05/13/08
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open your eyes
martin23 | 05/13/08
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always easier to blame MS
otaddy | 05/13/08
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No doubt...
Wolfie2K3 | 05/14/08
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Not accepting that Ed is right or wrong ...
Confused by religion | 05/13/08
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Folow Ed's link
martin23 | 05/13/08
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Based on your posts here
willpd13 | 05/14/08
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Hardware+software vendors *DELIBERATELY* do that
Knorthern Knight | 05/14/08
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Couldn't disagree more...
nycebo | 05/13/08
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Bad Sony, Dell Good
bmgoodman | 05/13/08
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...
Linux User 147560 | 05/13/08
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Do keep in mind he was using the four days as...
ye | 05/13/08
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MS has a lot to do with the problem
Axsimulate | 05/13/08
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MS does not have a lot to do with the problem
oldsysprog | 05/14/08
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Blah blah blah
bmerc | 05/14/08
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How do you know?
Axsimulate | 05/15/08
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Exactly. Thanks.
nycebo | 05/13/08
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Uptime so far
willpd13 | 05/14/08
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Already there and doing that ...
JazzManiaSC | 05/14/08
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lack of driver support hasn't hindered our use of Linux.
ye | 05/14/08
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There's a lot of truth to this
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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So you would agree this would be reasonable for Vista...
ye | 05/14/08
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Under Vista, a bad driver is unlikely to hose the whole system
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
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Ed: I'll buy that
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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Ye: If you insist on running Vista...
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: So why are we faulted for giving...
ye | 05/14/08
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Latest Mac commercial
bfilipiak@... | 05/14/08
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So what exactly are you trying to say?
nycebo | 05/16/08
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I work for one of the top 3 ....
ShadeTree | 05/13/08
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If you tell the same lie often enough people might believe it.
Michael L Hereid Sr | 05/13/08
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That's fine
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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Give the reasons...
cgdams | 05/14/08
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How about this?
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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So, no facts then?
eb276 | 05/14/08
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Not my job
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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Another way of putting it
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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I assume you're OK with people who...
ye | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: Here's one advocacy point:
ye | 05/14/08
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Re: Linux
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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Re: security
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: If someone tries Linux on under powered HW...
ye | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: Security. Here's the problem...
ye | 05/14/08
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Linux runs well on old hardware
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: Sorry John. Not interested in why the user...
ye | 05/14/08
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So it's your opinion one should drop back to...
ye | 05/14/08
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I think people should dump Windows entirely
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: Don't dodge the question. Anwer it.
ye | 05/14/08
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Didn't think I was dodging
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: You did and still are. Let me repeat it...
ye | 05/14/08
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Nothing wrong with trying to work through the problems
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: We call this a "Red Herring"
ye | 05/14/08
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yeah, i thought so...
cgdams | 05/14/08
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Does appear to be difficult
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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well...
cgdams | 05/14/08
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Thank you for responding
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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@John L. Ries: It's faster:
ye | 05/14/08
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Microsoft's not blaming OEMs
marks055@... | 05/13/08
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WRONG
bigsibling | 05/14/08
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What's the video subsystem?
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
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Have you tried this?
cgdams | 05/14/08
|

You seem to think the Press
tikigawd | 05/14/08
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What do you base this on?
wolf_z | 05/13/08
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I thought Vista was supposed to be tolerant of bad drivers
stevey_d | 05/13/08
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Yes you do!
ShadeTree | 05/13/08
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...
Linux User 147560 | 05/13/08
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So just because it hasn't happened to you the problem doesn't...
ye | 05/13/08
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I'd just like to see some proof.
TripleII | 05/13/08
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So when I say that I haven't experienced a problem with Vista...
ye | 05/13/08
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If people think you're a troll...
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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When did I ever say that?
TripleII | 05/13/08
|
     
It's not "people" but ABMers who think I'm a troll.
ye | 05/13/08
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@TripleII: The comment was aimed at...
ye | 05/13/08
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No worries. I didn't really have anything to add...
TripleII | 05/13/08
|
     
For what it's worth...
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
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Last I checked...
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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@John L. Ries: Sigh. When you don't have anything of...
ye | 05/13/08
|
     
The reason why some people think you're a troll..
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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@John L. Ries: I take no issues with anyone who...
ye | 05/13/08
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Out of idle curiosity...
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
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@John L. Ries: What is a valid reason?
ye | 05/14/08
|
    
Not what I said.
ShadeTree | 05/14/08
|
   
Oh sweet irony...
bmerc | 05/14/08
|
    
Stop with this strawman already. It's making you look desperate.
ye | 05/14/08
|
  
Linux and Drivers
voska1 | 05/14/08
|
  
Sorry I did, Ubuntu - nVidia driver...nt
socialism=nowhere | 05/14/08
|
 
That just isn't the case.
TripleII | 05/13/08
|
  
Yes, yes, no
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
|
   
Was thinking of Nvidia
TripleII | 05/13/08
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You're going to get your wish
Ed Bott | 06/07/08
|

Where are you getting this?
oldsysprog | 05/14/08
|

I think you misunderstand
ibarskiy@... | 05/14/08
|
 
Crash the desktop?
oldsysprog | 05/14/08
|
  
Wrong
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|
   
Wow!
nycebo | 05/16/08
|

bad drivers
atari8bit@... | 05/14/08
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Where's the upside?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/13/08
|

One major error
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
|

Linux has a lots of ecosystem
John L. Ries | 05/13/08
|
 
Context definition
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/13/08
|

Not true at all
ShadeTree | 05/13/08
|
 
...
Linux User 147560 | 05/13/08
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Race to the Bottom
Harry Bardal | 05/13/08
|
Drivers switch on the firmware that Microsoft shuts off
BALTHOR | 05/13/08
|

I think you misunderstand device drivers
jjarman | 05/14/08
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Bravo
klumper | 05/13/08
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No No No No No ... and yes.
carlcamera | 05/13/08
|

I think Ed's concern, or at least mine, is:
ye | 05/13/08
|
 
Not only that, but ...
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
|
  
Remember Systems Get Certified Too
carlcamera | 05/13/08
|
   
Sounds reasonable. (nt)
ye | 05/13/08
|
    
Ed is on the mark.
carlcamera | 05/13/08
|
   
Minor changes don't affect logo qualification
Ed Bott | 05/13/08
|
 
You were just told
rhomp2002@... | 05/14/08
|
  
I think that is what has been happening to Apple.
ajole | 05/14/08
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Here's what "I" was told:
ye | 05/14/08
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Positive reinforcement: is not MS fault
theo_durcan | 05/13/08
|

Has anyone said MS is 100% fault free?
ye | 05/13/08
|
 
You don't get!
marks055@... | 05/13/08
|
  
Actually I have used Vista since before most people
Michael L Hereid Sr | 05/14/08
|
   
He was joking. (nt)
ye | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
middleuser | 05/13/08
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Thanks Ed
tonymcs@... | 05/13/08
|

Thanks also
martin23 | 05/13/08
|

Thanks also
martin23 | 05/13/08
|
It's LEGACY drivers that have failed to appear
anthony_hunt | 05/14/08
|

Has anyone advocated a person in your situation should move?
ye | 05/14/08
|

LEGACY
Axsimulate | 05/15/08
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It's what I've been saying all along...
GrizzledGeezer | 05/14/08
|
RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
M.W.H. | 05/14/08
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This is the bread and butter of small OEMs
Kerry from BC | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
xshakes | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
cynic8 | 05/14/08
|
Microsoft changed the driver architecture
magallanes | 05/14/08
|

Are you serious?
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|
 
whit papers
atari8bit@... | 05/14/08
|
  
What???
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|
RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
cigar444 | 05/14/08
|

Huh?
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|
 
Thank you! - I was about to respond - thank you.
socialism=nowhere | 05/14/08
|

History repeats itself.
soonerproud | 05/14/08
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RE: Vista
gcperk@... | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
ford_prefect | 05/14/08
|
RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
atari8bit@... | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
dfarrich@... | 05/14/08
|

Unfortunately
dansen926 | 05/14/08
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While I agree, there are other reasons Vista is rejected.
ajole | 05/14/08
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As soon as PC game manufacturers start making Linux versions,
ThereThere | 05/14/08
|

Yeah - they have had how many years
socialism=nowhere | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
atari8bit@... | 05/14/08
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Is It Really All About The Drivers?
chessmen | 05/14/08
|

I don't think the author is talking about the same thing you are.
ajole | 05/14/08
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Yes, I Agree - It's The Drivers; Hence Mac's Success
johnpublic@... | 05/14/08
|

Yup, it's easy for them
dansen926 | 05/14/08
|
 
BINGO - and your right it is very easy
socialism=nowhere | 05/14/08
|

But I do have a lot of issues making things work with a Mac.
ajole | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
famulla | 05/14/08
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The Windows Ecosystem is designed for vendors, not consumers
Steven Rogers | 05/14/08
|

False premise
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
arnieswap@... | 05/14/08
|

Don't tell that story to the Save XP crowd...
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|
 
Actually worked well with my boss' new laptop
John L. Ries | 05/14/08
|
 
More info needed
atari8bit@... | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's much more than about drivers
andrebranchaud@... | 05/14/08
|

Because Quicken is the worst
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|
RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
GDF | 05/14/08
|

Agreed, but there are solutions
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
JackAcid | 05/14/08
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Drivers are NOT available for 64-bit Vista
Emilio_z | 05/14/08
|

What driver are you referring to?
ye | 05/14/08
|

Easy to find x64 drivers
Ed Bott | 05/14/08
|

They're becoming more popular
CobraA1 | 05/14/08
|
Ed: two specific examples we've seen that support your points
blu_vg@... | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
quark@... | 05/14/08
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Lies or truth?
martin23 | 05/14/08
|
Sorry but from my experiance of VISTA
carlsf@... | 05/14/08
|

I think that is more important than a lot of people admit.
ajole | 05/14/08
|
 
What are the differences that disturb you?
cgdams | 05/15/08
|

Of course, that's a matter of taste...
cgdams | 05/14/08
|

Please explain
CobraA1 | 05/14/08
|
...The "update" process...
Narg | 05/14/08
|
It's poor planning and business practices
Ole Man | 05/14/08
|

According to Gutman I would not be able to
Michael L Hereid Sr | 05/14/08
|
 
Oh and by the way Ole man
Michael L Hereid Sr | 05/14/08
|

...sigh...
cgdams | 05/14/08
|
Microsoft OS is an irrelevance...
David Gale | 05/14/08
|

You mean other than being the most common OS on the planet?
CobraA1 | 05/14/08
|
 
one must realize
marks055@... | 05/14/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
lennycald@... | 05/14/08
|
Why is Vista so awesome?
marks055@... | 05/14/08
|
RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
Elihion | 05/15/08
|

easy answer
rtk | 05/15/08
|
But why did the drivers need change at all?
pwright2@... | 05/15/08
|

Try using the XP driver.
ye | 05/15/08
|

it's been stated hundreds of times.
rtk | 05/15/08
|

MS is the company we all love to hate...
cgdams | 05/15/08
|

Paul did Windows 98 drivers work on XP?
marks055@... | 05/15/08
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RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
pstewart@... | 05/15/08
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It's everyone elses fault.
martin23 | 05/16/08
|

Nonsense
Ed Bott | 05/16/08
|
Oh Nonsene
martin23 | 05/16/08
|

There you go again
Ed Bott | 05/16/08
|
 
lies or fibs
martin23 | 05/17/08
|
  
I give up
Ed Bott | 05/17/08
|
   
oh I read it ??
martin23 | 05/17/08
|
    
Last reply
Ed Bott | 05/17/08
|
     
Thanks for the bye
martin23 | 05/17/08
|
     
Martin You mentioned anti virus
Michael L Hereid Sr | 05/19/08
|
  
Go read the memoirs of WordPerfect's ex-president
Ed Bott | 05/17/08
|
  
Try Chapter 12
Ed Bott | 05/17/08
|
   
you miss the point
martin23 | 05/17/08
|
RE: The key to Windows success? It's all about the drivers
cgdams | 05/17/08
|
Is there any kind of moderation on TalkBack?
cgdams | 05/18/08
|

Yes, there is
Ed Bott | 05/18/08
|

Yes, they are...
tcavadias | 05/18/08
|
HELLO! Is any ONE listening...
mikifinaz1@... | 05/20/08
|

Nobody home!
Ole Man | 05/21/08
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RE: The key to Vista's failure? It's all about the drivers
dcwest | 09/09/08
|