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July 10th, 2008

How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism? "We're sorry" is a good start

Posted by Ed Bott @ 5:31 pm

Categories: Windows Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Service Pack 1, Frank Shaw, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Ed Bott

I filled in for Dan Farber on this week’s EIC-squared podcast. (It’s well under 10 minutes, and we cover a lot of ground. Go listen.) In the course of our talk, ZDNet Editor in Chief Larry Dignan asked me what I would do to fix Vista’s tarnished brand if I were in charge of Microsoft’s marketing for a day. OK, I’ll take the job, but on two conditions: First, I want face time with Steve Ballmer and Steven Sinofsky. Second, I want some of those dollars Steve was going to fork over to buy Yahoo, because cleaning up the Vista mess is gonna cost some bucks.

The context of the conversation, of course, is Microsoft’s campaign to “fight back” against Vista’s poor reputation and Apple’s relentless Vista-bashing ad series. Mary Jo Foley has more details in her report from Microsoft’s Worldwide Partner Conference in Houston. I’m hearing the same messages in my conversations with Microsoft executives and product managers.

In classic Microsoft style, they can be distilled into three key points:

  • Hardware and software partners weren’t ready for the launch. As Mary Jo reports, Windows honcho Brad Brooks “acknowledged that partners stopped believing that Microsoft would ever manage to ship Vista and thus didn’t prepare adequately for the launch of the operating system.”
  • Many of the architectural changes, especially those involving security and device drivers, caused existing hardware and software to work poorly or not at all. Most of those issues have been fixed in the past 18 months, and the exceptions are generally older products whose owners have decided not to invest in Vista support.
  • Windows Vista as it exists today is not the same product that Microsoft shipped back in November 2006. Service Pack 1 is the biggest fix, of course, but Microsoft has been delivering bug fixes and compatibility updates continually via Windows Updates

There’s a great deal of truth in that summary, but it’s not the whole truth. It misses the mark dramatically by not acknowledging the negativity in the market and in the press and confronting it head on. More importantly, it doesn’t include any serious ‘fessing up to the series of blunders that Microsoft has committed over the course of Vista’s development and release. This week one of Microsoft’s top executives admitted that the changes in Vista “broke a lot of things” and “caused … a lot of pain.” Usually, that sort of confession is followed by “I’m sorry” and “Here’s what we’re going to do to make up for that pain.”

Unfortunately, Microsoft’s messaging machine has a tendency to go into spin cycle automatically. That might work for your average product launch, but it won’t cut it for Vista’s tarnished brand. If Microsoft doesn’t want to hear that from me, maybe they’ll listen to Frank Shaw, who leads the worldwide PR team in charge of Windows at Microsoft’s PR agency, Waggener Edstrom. In his blog this week, Frank offered some excellent advice. It was on a completely different subject, but it could just as easily have been addressed to Steve Ballmer and Steven Sinofsky. Here, judge for yourself:

[Y]ou don’t get a multi-day news cycle like they’ve just gone through without at least considering the idea that just maybe you are not being successful in getting your POV into the market (or in web 2.0 speak, that you are not “participating in the conversation.”)

I think it’s fair to say that 18 months of merciless, nonstop Vista-bashing qualifies as a “multi-day news cycle” and that Microsoft pretty much avoided “participating in the conversation” until just a couple of months ago, after the release of Vista Service Pack 1. (For the first six months after Vista’s retail launch, remember, they wouldn’t even acknowledge that Vista was going to have a Service Pack 1, much less discuss its details.)

Frank continues:

[O]ver the last several years [they] have not adjusted their self image with the image the rest of the world has of them, and that self perception gap is one of the biggest causes for communication failure. You can see this play out time and time again. Established sports stars who still think of themselves as fighting for respect are suddenly seen as arrogant, companies who keep acting like they are a start up when they have achieved big market success are seen as bullies, and a fun loving web site cataloguing cool things comes across as a bunch of priggish censors.

One of the key roles PR can play is making sure that companies/individuals understand how the rest of the world sees them, and calibrating the communication accordingly.

Right now, much of the world sees Microsoft as rudderless and unable to deliver a competent product. Apple has reduced Vista to a pitiful caricature in ads that are brilliant and memorable, even if they are grossly exaggerated and occasionally just plain wrong. Microsoft has responded with white papers, keynote addresses, and spin-laden press releases. They brought a knife to a gunfight.

Frank’s conclusion applies almost perfectly to Microsoft:

[T]he story is not over yet, because they’ve violated another rule of crisis communications: own your news, and get it all out early so you can declare an end to the crisis.

Exactly. So maybe, in the spirit of owning the news, Microsoft could admit that they screwed up when they put Intel’s interests over those of their customers in the “Vista Ready” and “Vista Capable” logo snafu. It would be nice to think that some heads rolled for that one, and it’s worth noting that Sinofsky, who’s now in charge of the Windows development effort, was harshly critical of the decision.

While they’re in an apologizing mood, Microsoft could say a hearty “we’re sorry” for the confusion that roiled the Windows ecosystem in early 2007. Yes, some of it was the fault of OEMs and software partners who didn’t pull their weight. But Microsoft has to shoulder at least part of the blame, and a little humility would go a long way.

Of course, talk is cheap, which is why I said right up front that I need some Microsoft bucks to really sell this message. Here’s how I propose spending them:

  • Free support for Vista issues. Yes, there are people struggling with computers that run Vista poorly or have reliability and compatibility problems. In most cases, there’s a fix for the problem. So why not offer a toll-free number where Vista users can get help and support, even if they purchased Windows Vista with a new PC from an OEM? This doesn’t have to be a permanent fixture, but a free Vista support hotline that runs through the holiday season would go a long way toward reassuring customers. Microsoft has taken a baby step in this direction with its Small Business Assurance program. Try doing the same for consumers, OK?
  • Free upgrades for early adopters. Any consumer who can show a receipt for a copy of Windows Vista purchased in the first few months after retail launch – let’s say before September 30, 2007 – should get a free upgrade to the next highest Windows version. Your copy of Vista Basic earns a license for Home Premium; Home Premium and Business get bumped up to Ultimate; and Ultimate customers get a second license for personal use (not for resale).

There’s plenty of good stuff in Windows Vista, and it deserves to get some exposure in clever, hard-hitting ads to counterbalance the Apple FUD. But don’t ignore the people who suffered during Vista’s early days.

Ed BottEd Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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End-user reporting ...  dkawalec | 07/11/08
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Causes for BSOD  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Video Drivers.  joe.smetona@... | 07/11/08
Update your drivers and apply sp1 (NT)  soonerproud | 07/11/08
why?  gdstark13 | 07/11/08
Perception, Truth, Fact and FUD  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Only "some" of fault OEMs'? Please!  ParrotHeadFL | 07/11/08
I have  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Of course  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Yes, but...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Can't disagree with you there.  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Good question  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
OEM vendors can share some of the blame  mystic100 | 07/11/08
Has anyone said otherwise?  ye | 07/11/08
I agree  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Get ready to rumble  Chiatzu | 07/12/08
Same here  B.Beck | 07/11/08
More than drivers  Boykin01 | 07/11/08
Recognizing where the balme belongs  B.Beck | 07/11/08
It was a win-win for everone but Microsoft.  Boykin01 | 07/11/08
right  TedKraan | 07/14/08
True  Windows Defender | 07/11/08
they are forced anyways  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Nuke all WGA/activation and DRM  scott1329 | 07/11/08
The myth of DRM  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Try to play a blue-ray movie on any other OS  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
Sorry, you're wrong  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
RE: Sorry, you're wrong  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
It works better with Linux.  TripleII | 07/11/08
Bypassing DRM is not an option for a corporation  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
Blu-Ray movies for business?  TripleII | 07/12/08
Agree...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  reapur | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  RaydioDr | 07/11/08
Glass is only 3/4 full  w_c_mead | 07/11/08
Generally agree  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
Generally agree  aussieblnd@... | 07/11/08
If it was...  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
Agree with John L.  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Why admins don't like Vista  gmiller@... | 07/11/08
Even if it doesn't "suck," why should I want it?  ernestm@... | 07/11/08
How about improved security?  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Our security's not giving us any issues...  ernestm@... | 07/11/08
Supporting old OSs  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Change focus from criticism to Users' Challenges  SteveMak | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  Tom in Toronto | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  morwen | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  drf999 | 07/11/08
How about having one version?  RocketEater | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  deanyourfriendinzdnet | 07/11/08
They should forget salvaging Vista and move on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/11/08
So what would you suggest?  Michael Kelly | 07/11/08
how about a security level between "make me mad" and "no security"?  stevey_d | 07/11/08
Neither  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/11/08
A heck of a lot easier said than done  Michael Kelly | 07/14/08
No change in driver models  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
agreed, and they should listen to small developers  stevey_d | 07/11/08
So I'll take that as a vote for Vista 2 (nt)  Michael Kelly | 07/11/08
What should MS sell in the mean time?  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
80% of all Windows sales  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/11/08
Eat Your Crow First Buddy  itanalyst2@... | 07/13/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  mwagner@... | 07/11/08
I agree  B.Beck | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  akaltman@... | 07/11/08
All OSes are works in progress  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Vista was oversold and under-delivered  stevey_d | 07/11/08
Maintenance vs. beta  akaltman@... | 07/14/08
Cluelessness  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  cameljockey | 07/11/08
Yeah I think Core Duo and 2 gig of ram is a minimum  stevey_d | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  Mikey52 | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  mystic100 | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  parks_gloria | 07/11/08
This is the norm  B.Beck | 07/11/08
'for what?' was a good start  inertman@... | 07/11/08
Perception Of Vista  StPatrick56 | 07/11/08
Good Post  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Oops  B.Beck | 07/11/08
"Sorta" New  StPatrick56 | 07/11/08
Perception Of Vista  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
"Buy An Apple"  StPatrick56 | 07/11/08
Well let's see...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/12/08
OR....  StPatrick56 | 07/12/08
please point out  rtk | 07/12/08
More red herrings again...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/13/08
not just thick, color blind as well  rtk | 07/13/08
Clear out the cobwebs, rtk...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/13/08
yeah, nice try,  rtk | 07/13/08
Whoopsy-Daisy! grin  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/14/08
RE: My BlueRex  tkepner | 07/11/08
Networking  Windows Defender | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  larryarms737 | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  drprod@... | 07/11/08
Nonsense  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/12/08
It's what I've come to expect from most Linux / Mac users in...  ye | 07/13/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/13/08
Had I said that you might have a point. Since I did not you just...  ye | 07/14/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  alxnsc@... | 07/12/08
Ed admits to lying about Vista!  devlin_X | 07/12/08
Let's see some quotes, please  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/12/08
Your quotes sir....  devlin_X | 07/13/08
Not really a response  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/13/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  dawsobi@... | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  dawsobi@... | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  barend@... | 07/12/08
Microsoft Should Fight Vista Critics With More Advertising  chessmen | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  chris_x | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  TheSickEmpire | 07/12/08
RE: How ... criticism?  n0neXn0ne | 07/13/08
Vista Premium Ready = ULCPC  softdrat@... | 07/12/08
Venn diagrams  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/13/08
re: ... ?  n0neXn0ne | 07/13/08
I disagree...  techboy_z | 07/14/08
R..E. Venn diagrams  softdrat@... | 07/15/08
Microsoft needs to drop Yahoo! and get back to business.  Randalllind | 07/13/08
A few people have it right...  Sleeper Service | 07/13/08
t-shirt  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Fair enough...  Sleeper Service | 07/14/08
Exactly:  XweAponX | 07/13/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  ramnet@... | 07/14/08
Marketing = communications  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
I Think His is a Customer Perspective That is Not Being Listened To  Cardhu | 07/18/08
More FUD  dprozzo | 07/15/08
Read My Above Post  Cardhu | 07/18/08
Why should I bother when....  dprozzo | 07/21/08
If You Bothered To Read And Think, You Might Realize That  Cardhu | 07/22/08
You didn't  dprozzo | 07/22/08
You Post Distractions  Cardhu | 07/22/08
Vista Game Performance Issues  Cardhu | 07/23/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  lawryll@... | 07/14/08
You don't use full text search?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
By admitting that Vista is a mistake....  dunn@... | 07/21/08
It Will Take Much More Than A Great Big Bandaid  Cardhu | 07/22/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  mjkarlin@... | 07/22/08
The first step to recovery...  bricar2 | 07/23/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  atari8bit@... | 07/23/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  lcarliner@... | 07/23/08
I Agree With All Of Mr. Bott's Suggestions  Cardhu | 07/24/08
A great summary of all my Microsoft bashing  Ole Man | 07/28/08
Don't I Usually Agree  Cardhu | 07/29/08
Yes, and I with you  Ole Man | 08/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  ramnet@... | 07/31/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  stdo57@... | 08/06/08
I Suggest You Check Your Spelling  Cardhu | 08/09/08
The point you completely miss...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
I'm Not Disavowing The Role of Value-Added Resellers  Cardhu | 08/09/08
They are allowed to continue distributing XP  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
Public Sources Contradict Your Assertions  Cardhu | 08/09/08
You need different sources  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
Something Smells Really Off Here  Cardhu | 08/09/08
Go look at the OEM license agreement  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
You're Resting Your Comments On Supposed Rights  Cardhu | 08/09/08
What you fail to understand  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
I Do Understand That  Cardhu | 08/10/08
Now you're changing your argument  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/10/08
No, They're Actually Both Facets Of Microsoft's Violations  Cardhu | 08/10/08
I Have Researched As You Suggested  Cardhu | 08/13/08
You're almost there  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/13/08
I Think This Is Incorrect  Cardhu | 08/14/08
That quote is confusing  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/14/08
That Requires That I Trust Microsoft  Cardhu | 08/15/08
I am committed to the facts  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/15/08
I Remember Someone Else Who Used to Cite "Random Posts"  Cardhu | 08/15/08
10-year plan?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08

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